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Is David Grush delusional, or credible?

gsdx said:
Let's be reasonable and use our brains. We know that there are no advanced lifeforms in our solar system. That leaves the rest of the Milky Way Galaxy. Proxima Centauri is the nearest star to our Sun, and it is 40,208,000,000,000 kilometres away. (That's 40 trillion!) When we see light from Proxima Centauri, we see it after travelling 4.25 light years. One light year is the distance that light travels in 1 year, and that is about 9.46 km. Multiply that by 4.25.

9.46 x 4.25 = No Aliens Crashing On Earth
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And they'd have to pack a bit more than a bagged lunch and a juice box, wouldn't they? :)
 
gsdx said:
Let's be reasonable and use our brains. We know that there are no advanced lifeforms in our solar system. That leaves the rest of the Milky Way Galaxy. Proxima Centauri is the nearest star to our Sun, and it is 40,208,000,000,000 kilometres away. (That's 40 trillion!) When we see light from Proxima Centauri, we see it after travelling 4.25 light years. One light year is the distance that light travels in 1 year, and that is about 9.46 km. Multiply that by 4.25.

9.46 x 4.25 = No Aliens Crashing On Earth
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Because of relativistic time dilation, the journey as measured on the craft does not take as long as the distance-divided-by-speed equation suggests. At high enough speed, a craft could travel thousands of light years - taking thousands of years as measured by us - but the craft clocks would advance only a few years.
 
Further to my post above:
It just the physics of it, I don't suggest aliens do it. If they were far away it would take many tens/hundreds/thousands of years for any observation of events on earth to be detected by them. Thousands of years ago the earth maybe wasn't noticeable enough to provoke an expedition. Evidence of our technology has only propogated out to a sphere of a little over 100 light years radius.
 
One Word.....

Wormholes.
 
I always laugh at people that say lights in the sky are ufos. Yes because a civilization that is so advanced they have deep space travel technology is going to need navigational lights on their spaceships to find their way around the galaxy! :rotflmao:
 
Could it be that light, or visible (to us) spectrum radiation is just a waste product. In the same way aeroplanes make a noise - it's just an unavoidable byproduct of the technology.

It's also questionable if aliens would have any sense organs that detect what we call light. Our eyes evolved to match the radiation spectrum of the sun. With a different star, or a star in a different age sequence, our sense organs would be different.
 
Alistair said:
I always laugh at people that say lights in the sky are ufos. Yes because a civilization that is so advanced they have deep space travel technology is going to need navigational lights on their spaceships to find their way around the galaxy! :rotflmao:
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If they're smart enough to have space travel they're smart enough to stay away from us.
 
I want to be clear about it. There is a possibility that alien life exists outside Earth, a strong probability statistically IF having the right conditions for life, as we know it, to exist is the basis for probability.

That math would be more convincing if we had ever demonstrated the creation of life, of any kind, on any scale, from putting inert elements together and seeing it occur. But we have not. We have not created life from non-life one single time. When and if that occurs, the probability of life occurring out there in the presumed countless planets, will become a certainty.

The same will be true if we ever discover even a microbe under the ice on one of the planets or moons in our solar system.

Until then, UFOs are Earth phenomena, period. They are either hidden technology of our governments, or physical phenomena as yet unexplained with very low probability of being interdimensional objects or from hidden civilizations coexisting with us here.

I believe all the accounts to date of alien abductions, proctology, and cattle mutilations are all hoaxes, or hysteria and delusions.

It is not credible to be that our government has an interest in creating a concealment of it, especially as far back as the 1940's, as they would not have had any way to know the scope of any alien civilization, language, or intent. Any cover-up would have been a huge risk and there would have been no plausible reason to think htat one ship would be the limit or that other countries would not also enounter them.
 
^ I agree that there is life 'out there', some, perhaps, even advanced enough for space travel. But they're just not advanced enough to visit us.
 
gsdx said:
^ I agree that there is life 'out there', some, perhaps, even advanced enough for space travel. But they're just not advanced enough to visit us.
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Countertheory: They DID visit us and were like "never again." Like, if their navigation leads them through our solar system they take the longer route.
 
fabulouslyghetto said:
Countertheory: They DID visit us and were like "never again." Like, if their navigation leads them through our solar system they take the longer route.
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We really weren't at our best during the last ice age. Sticking an icicle up our bums and waiting for it to melt isn't the best prep for an anal probe.
 
Seriously, though, it wouldn't take much observation to see us for the destructive, invasive species we are.

This is just in our time;

Tracking Amazon Deforestation from Above

Satellites have played a key role in monitoring and reducing the rate of deforestation in the rainforest.
earthobservatory.nasa.gov earthobservatory.nasa.gov
 
Kahaih said:
Seriously, though, it wouldn't take much observation to see us for the destructive, invasive species we are.

This is just in our time;

Tracking Amazon Deforestation from Above

Satellites have played a key role in monitoring and reducing the rate of deforestation in the rainforest.
earthobservatory.nasa.gov earthobservatory.nasa.gov
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Human effects on the planet are only visible from a few thousand kilometres at most.
Even from the moon, the changes caused by technology are not visible.
 
pigface said:
Human effects on the planet are only visible from a few thousand kilometres at most.
Even from the moon, the changes caused by technology are not visible.
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What's your point?

Do you have to get any closer to Wal-Mart than the internet to decide if you want to visit- make contact?
 
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