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Is Florida about to get its own version of Section 28?

it's 100% POLITICS---- their governor is making a lot of headway because of the woke bullshit in his country---their governor is running for president and will probably win --if the orange devil is in jail by then.
 
That is all it is about.

finding fringe bullshit issues to throw out to your knuckle dragging base as raw, red meat.

Use hate and fear to keep your followers sending in $20 bucks per month.


De Santis doesn't give a shit about what his brain-dead base think about cock sucking.
 
Bendted, where did you come from? Welcome back! Possible you frequent Forums that I don't, but this is the first time I've see you in years!
fabulouslyghetto said:
ok maybe let's also ban teaching kids that age nursery rhymes about genocidal maniacs like christopher columbus?
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I don't think I was ever taught a Columbus nursery rhyme - there's such a thing? But I also don't think that Hansel and Gretel is appropriate - I mean, baking a witch to death in an OVEN? Good God...

I remember 11th (or 10th, or 9th?) grade Spanish class, my first one, and the very first short story we had to read ended with a writhing, screaming cat that was on fire. That scared/scarred me to some degree. So gruesome.

LeicsDom said:
I can't remember anything sexual being broached when I was in primary school. Although, way back then, we never had any sort of sex education til we were 15, and then it was that whole euphemistic talk of rabbits and their mating habits
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I never had a SexEd class in school, at any grade level. I'm learning a lot from this thread, though. If I was "in this boat," I'm sure I'm not the only one, because I like to consider myself reasonably informed!

Until now, PERHAPS BECAUSE of the phrase "DON'T SAY GAY", I thought (assumed?) that it remained operative all the way through the Senior year. I was sure that the bill prohibited any school counselor (even in high school) from considering, let alone saying anything positive to, a student who comes in for counseling because he/she is afraid, and scared, and confused, about their own sexuality and is feeling suicidal. Part of that is being OLD ENOUGH to remember some bill somewhere, which I'm almost sure I remember doing precisely that - making it illegal for even a school counselor to be supportive in any way, even to somebody feeling suicidal about ANY LGBT issue in the student's life. I'm thinking it was in the 1980s. It may have even been something that never got passed.

Even if it's limited to pre-4th, I don't really like this bill if it makes it illegal to be supportive even to a child who casually mentions "his two dads" and is being tormented by other kids because it's "bad, or something." A minority of children DO have parents who are same-gendered. Where and how do they go to anybody to get competent answers, if this bill is signed by DeSantis?

But I am glad to be learning some things in this bill, even though it's happening in a faraway state and is unlikely ever to affect me personally in any way.

Latimer said:
Why are schools instructing about sexual acts to begin with? Isn't that the responsibility of parents?
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My parents only gave me about a one-half-hour "talk" about sex...ONCE. And, by then, I was already involved in homosex, and what they said mostly went in one ear and out via the same ear (bouncing off the brain y'know). Most of what I learned about sex, I had to learn in bits and pieces, nearly all after I was 18.

I think schools SHOULD have SexEd as a role somewhere in their curriculum - probably as early as 6th Grade. Children often start having their hormones ramp up before the end of that grade.

However, I think the course should be paired with a far-more-extensive course about parenting and running a household, and a good overview how the WORLD works. Children would learn that parenting is the most incredible commitment that people "commonly" make, and that it's horrendously expensive. It wouldn't just be parenting, but balancing a checkbook, taxation, insurance, contracts, living with animals, budgeting, types of schools, basic law, maintaining oneself medically, basic crime and punishment (what's the difference between jail, minimum security and maximum security prisons? How does court work?), marriage laws, basic economy., etc.
 
Kahaih said:
We shouldn't assume that everyone agrees as to what constitutes a 'sexual act'.
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I can't believe this has to be said, but they are NOT "instructing" little Johnny to stick his cock in little Dick's ass and telling him to pump away until it feels good. I swear to God, some posts here are like the comments section on Hannity's show or some such.
 
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As a Florida resident, I had been holding off on contributing my thoughts until I could organize them into a nice long paragraph. But I'll just say that DeSantis and the Republican Florida Legislature have gone bat-shit crazy. They're passing bills like the Don't Say Gay bill, and the anti-woke act, which would presumably ban all versions of history that show anything other than happy smiling black slaves on the plantation. And they're pushing through things like anti-voting and anti-union organizing bills, etc.

And this morning there was an article in my local newspaper about the Florida legislature jeopardizing the academic freedom of the State University System. I'd give the link, but my experience has been that you usually hit a paywall when you try to access local newspaper articles. It seems the State of Florida got into some hot water when they tried to muzzle three professors from testifying in court that their new anti-voter bill passed last year would likely keep black and poor people from voting.

So what did the legislature do? They doubled down. Instead of trying to make sure state universities were in compliance, they passed a law requiring Florida universities to break from the accreditation association. The Federal Dept. of Education sent a letter to DeSantis, warning that funding and grants were in jeopardy. In other words, the legislature is threatening the whole State of Florida higher education system in order to make professors tow the line. If the universities lose their accreditation, money will cease, students will go elsewhere, professors and academics will avoid the state, and the whole system will unravel.
 
Araucaria said:
As a Florida resident, I had been holding off on contributing my thoughts until I could organize them into a nice long paragraph. But I'll just say that DeSantis and the Republican Florida Legislature have gone bat-shit crazy. They're passing bills like the Don't Say Gay bill, and the anti-woke act, which would presumably ban all versions of history that show anything other than happy smiling black slaves on the plantation. And they're pushing through things like anti-voting and anti-union organizing bills, etc.

And this morning there was an article in my local newspaper about the Florida legislature jeopardizing the academic freedom of the State University System. I'd give the link, but my experience has been that you usually hit a paywall when you try to access local newspaper articles. It seems the State of Florida got into some hot water when they tried to muzzle three professors from testifying in court that their new anti-voter bill passed last year would likely keep black and poor people from voting.

So what did the legislature do? They doubled down. Instead of trying to make sure state universities were in compliance, they passed a law requiring Florida universities to break from the accreditation association. The Federal Dept. of Education sent a letter to DeSantis, warning that funding and grants were in jeopardy. In other words, the legislature is threatening the whole State of Florida higher education system in order to make professors tow the line. If the universities lose their accreditation, money will cease, students will go elsewhere, professors and academics will avoid the state, and the whole system will unravel.
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White people actively pushing laws to marginalize people of color? Do other people know about this? How long has this been going on?
 
USEDCAR said:
Whatever happen to kids being kids and having fun and learning in school? I think kindergarten to third grade is too young for kids to be learning about gender and sexuality or anything sexual.
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I agree, but will go a step further. If a parent thinks their child is mature enough, as an example, a Third grader, then the parent should be able to make that judgement call. Even a simple question to a teacher like, where do babies come from, should be avoided at that age.
 
this is all smoke and mirrors - this has ZERO to do with sex education - it is about once again stirring the hate pot just like Trump did only it's next level - before it was the emails - they are coming for your guns - and they are giving black people rights - now they are firing shots right from the gate that they are trying to corrupt and seduce your children - with 2 years to go before the election and them calling out child rape already you just can't imagine how ugly this is going to get- and you are all standing there thinking this is about Billy havING 2 mommies.... ALL REPUBLICANS ARE THE HITLER'S OF TODAY - and I have no intention of apologizing - for the first time in history they have attacked our own country and we are handing out sentences of 3 years to a couple of months of probation instead of LIFE FOR TREASON <=== that is how much progress they have made while you all decide when joey's dick gets hard....

IT IS ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS
 
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^ This.

It is just throwing red meat to the slavering and foaming at the mouth fundamentalist base.

I guarantee that the same people worried about their 6 year old kid learning that some families have 2 dads or 2 moms are asking the same aged boy whether they have a girlfriend and dressing their little princes like a cheap hooker.

The GOP knows that only rage and fear over race, sex, abortion and communism get their voters to the polls now.

So that is why they pass these kinds of bills. On and on and on.
 
/\ I don't know if Georgia's bill includes the parents' ability/right to sue a teacher as Florida's bill does.
 
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Basically, the Republicans are pulling the "you need to stop beating your wife" ploy with the Don't Say Gay Bill. The stop beating your wife ploy is when you loudly yell, "When are you going to stop beating your wife?" The victim of the attack, of course, never beats is wife, but the insinuation has been put out there. The Don't Say Gay bill is the Republicans shouting "stop indoctrinating our kids about alternative lifestyles," when of course, nobody is doing that. Their base hears that as fact, not realizing that the proof is not there, and act on it. That's what this bill is about.
 
The Florida bill would allow parents to sue a specific teacher for crossing the line.

In 2018, there were over 91,000 k-6 school teachers employed by the state of Florida.

Certainly no one here can say that 91,000+ individual teachers have been, and will continue to be, perfect angels. Don't be daft.
 
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So. The. Fuck. What?

Why suddenly is this the litmus test?

Do you really think that there are a whole bunch of Kindergarten through Grade 4 teachers who have been busy telling their students how to suck cock?

Why wouldn't this same standard be applied to telling 10 year old girls that there are men out there who want to munch on their pre-pubescent labia?

Come the fuck on.
 
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