Is Gay Marriage Another Blow to the Struggling African-American Family?

[metta]

Is Gay Marriage Another Blow to the Struggling African-American Family?

http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVArpsMarriage90711.html

Christopher Arps is member of the national advisory council of the Project 21 black leadership network and a founder of Move-On-Up.org. Comments may be sent to Project21@nationalcenter.org.

 

[LilBit]

Riiiiiight. Because if gay marriage were illegal, gay African American men would marry African American women and form healthy, faithful families.

 

[navigaytion]

Unfortunately, this line of thinking has been very prevalent in the AA community for years. Throwing gays under the bus when it comes to black families is a very old tactic.

"My objection to same-sex marriage comes from a deep Christian faith, love of country and concern for the future of the African-American people."

All bullsh!t reasons.

Shelby Steele:

"[G]ay marriage is simply not a civil rights issue. It is not a struggle for freedom. It is a struggle of already free people for complete social acceptance and the sense of normalcy that follows thereof — a struggle for the eradication of the homosexual stigma. Marriage is a goal because, once open to gays, it would establish the fundamental innocuousness of homosexuality itself. Marriage can say like nothing else that sexual orientation is an utterly neutral human characteristic, like eye-color. Thus, it can go far in diffusing the homosexual stigma."

This coming from a black man who is married to a white woman. Not too long ago, his marriage was thought of as unacceptable and his line of reasoning was applied to interracial couples to deny them marriage rights.

 

[kevbo]

There is already an entire generation of angry and disillusioned young men looking for acceptance, parental love and a strong male presence that is often filled by street gangs.

How fucking insulting. Gay men cannot show parental love or be a strong male presence?

 

[fetaby]

How fucking insulting. Gay men cannot show parental love or be a strong male presence?

Close... He's saying that by legalizing gay marriage these disillusioned young men will catch teh gay...

 

[kevbo]

Christian faith helped sustain black Americans during the dark days of slavery and Jim Crow. Christian religious leaders such as Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ralph David Abernathy, through their faith, determination and sacrifices, broke the back of legal discrimination. The Bible clearly and emphatically states that homosexuality is wrong. PERIOD.

The Bible also clearly and emphatically states that slavery is right. PERIOD.

 

[kevbo]

I go with whatever I feel is right or wrong.

I wish it were so simple, however a society cannot be when people's morality is left to the individual. There has to be at least somewhat of a collective morality.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Is Gay Marriage Another Blow to the Struggling African-American Family?

http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVArpsMarriage90711.html

if folk world got nothin betta do then stick shit in paper ta make more shit

da rest obvious ans go playschool when ya 1 save da shit got fuckin ya ta get ya brains workin

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& AAARH &

 

[Beachguyj]

What bullshit, trying to blame others for problems in your community.

 

[HoodedRat]

Ah, another homophobic scumbag playing the Race-Card™ in a pathetic attempt to justify his own religion-based bigotry.


'My objection to same-sex marriage comes from a deep Christian faith, love of country and concern for the future of the African-American people.'

 

[Sam Blum]

I've read and actually heard this insane and illogical shit for a while now, with variations of course. But I think that people who divide their country so easily into "Black America" and [implied] "White America," and "Secular" and [implied] "holy" America, with no qualifications even nodding to diversity within those groups, is not a person seeking texture OR unity, rather simply an angry person with a chip on the shoulder.

Clearly there are so many flawed ideas in the writer's work that one can only come away from those arguments with a resounding 'NO' echoing in the ears - to the question of whether gay marriage is a blow to struggling African-American families.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

In a weird sort of way, he has a point.

Don't get excited, folks! It's just one point. And here it is:

If you have a situation where most AA families are single-parented, along with a substantial amount of abortions, topped with a situation where gay marriage is legal (and by extension, homosexuality is completely accepted)...

....then you have a situation where the raw numbers of AAs will drop. This will dilute their political power.

I do believe that, already, in many areas of the United States the number of AAs has been eclipsed by the numbers of Latinos.

On what's in bold print: Then all these god fearing black straight people better start following their fairy tale throne king and get married before they drop their pants and plop out them babies. No fucking fault of mine.

On what's in red: All will be eclipsed by Latinos around 2016, so I guess white people better start plopping out those babies and marriage licenses too!

Think of what will happen! We'll have 10 more Spanish channels and a couple of new lgbt networks! Bravo and Telemundo will replace CBS and ABC as local channels! The great black flight will see southerners move up north and into the midwest, the only territories with no huge gay or latino presences yet. We'll get a black Montana mayor, yes, but at what cost? AT WHAT COST?!?!

I'm bored now.

 

[HornyHenry]

Ah, another homophobic scumbag playing the Race-Card™ in a pathetic attempt to justify his own religion-based bigotry.

This is exactly what the sexuality-bigots are doing.

 

[HornyHenry]

Ah, another homophobic scumbag playing the Race-Card™ in a pathetic attempt to justify his own religion-based bigotry.

This is exactly what the sexuality-bigots are doing.
The race minorities complain about having to ride the back of the bus but the sexuality-bigots dont want gays on the bus at all, they want to throw us under it. At least we gays arent causing overpopulation!

 

[anchihiro]

He lost me when he threw his bible in the ring to shield his bigotry, and justify his prejudice.

I see nothing in here to angle this particularly on african americans, the same could and would be used with caucasian people too.

If there is nowadays, a shortage of 2 parent households perhaps he should investigate why that is instead of blaming a minority which he fears and doesnt understand instead.

 

[barnbuddy]

wow

whatever legit social problems of the AA community and family,

how on earth does gay marriage in 2011 have anything to do with it?

the underlying forces that create Dad-less AA homes go back decades - long before Stonewall -

beyond that, gltb youth in minority communities have been harmed by their seniors homophobia

 

[jslvr05]

In a weird sort of way, he has a point.

Don't get excited, folks! It's just one point. And here it is:

If you have a situation where most AA families are single-parented, along with a substantial amount of abortions, topped with a situation where gay marriage is legal (and by extension, homosexuality is completely accepted)...

....then you have a situation where the raw numbers of AAs will drop. This will dilute their political power.

I do believe that, already, in many areas of the United States the number of AAs has been eclipsed by the numbers of Latinos.

The Latino population, as of the 2000 census, has already eclipsed the black community. They are the fastest growing group in the country, after all. The reasons that this is true is because the Latino population has more births per woman, and that the Latin countries are relatively close to the U.S., making it much easier for such a population increase.

Besides, it's the white population that is declining- at least in percentage, anyway. So with his argument, both groups are in, ahem, "danger".

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

I missed that particular episode of The Cosby Show.

 

[Cedric]

In 1965, future senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan published a "study" that located the problems of African Americans in such issues as a high rate of single-parented families (by mothers), a high rate of births out of wedlock, etc., etc. rather than address the effects racism head on. (Google "Moynihan Report") Moynihan was, in fact, blaming this minority group for their problems. He suggested that the solution would be to have African American men schooled into accepted modes of behavior that were evocative of traditional masculinity and "reclaim" their place as patriarch of their family.

Unfortunately, many African Americans have internalized this line of thinking even though it was borne out of racist thinking in the 1960's (a type of thinking that refuses to acknowledge institutional barriers to success and fulfillment). The link the OP posted shows the traces of this internalization. It's not that the man who wrote this diatribe is inherently bigoted. He has just absorbed the racist crap that African Americans have been subjected to.