The movie The Bad Seed (1956) contends that it is hereditary: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048977/
Viewers are even asked not to reveal the ending to others.
Viewers are even asked not to reveal the ending to others.
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Is human nature born good or evil?
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I believe all humans have possibilities both for good, and for evil. The Biblical view is that all humankind is born evil, or sinful, and must be changed by a supernatural power, and made acceptable to the ultimate authority.
The humanist view is that people have all the elements necessary to find fulness and satisfying life.
A helpful, simple view, and I am not sure of the original source, is that "there is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, none of us should ever presume to judge the rest of us."
I acknowledge this is a simplistic answer to an
incredibly complex question.
The humanist view is that people have all the elements necessary to find fulness and satisfying life.
A helpful, simple view, and I am not sure of the original source, is that "there is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, none of us should ever presume to judge the rest of us."
I acknowledge this is a simplistic answer to an
incredibly complex question.
kevbo
Filling in for Tits McGee
Indeed, I am.
It's the old 'nature vs. nurture' argument. It hasn't been solved since psychology was invented.
kevbo
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The environment didn't commit the crimes. All people have the power of choice.
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Piggy,
I believe that every thing at its birth and creation is good.
In fact, Genesis 1:31, God saw all that he had made, and
behold it was very good. "
Humans are born with the capacity to choose both good and
evil. It is a choice to do evil in the beginning. Some become
immersed in what is evil and do evil things. But even God has
a plan to reconcile what is not good to restore it to the original
state.
Shep+"
I believe that every thing at its birth and creation is good.
In fact, Genesis 1:31, God saw all that he had made, and
behold it was very good. "
Humans are born with the capacity to choose both good and
evil. It is a choice to do evil in the beginning. Some become
immersed in what is evil and do evil things. But even God has
a plan to reconcile what is not good to restore it to the original
state.
Shep+"
Like I said. . . 'Nature vs. Nurture'. Is it the environment or the way the person was raised which causes them to become what they are?
Funnily enough, people rarely agree that it might possibly be combination of both. It's usually one or the other.
Funnily enough, people rarely agree that it might possibly be combination of both. It's usually one or the other.
kevbo
Filling in for Tits McGee
The environment didn't commit the crimes, but it was the factor which made the person "evil".
And some people do not have the "power of choice". The power of choice is a conscious. Some do not have one.
Well, I've always believed that more energy should be focused on early development and making it more positive.
However, one has to be punished for crimes they did, regardless of what caused them to do it.
One could say that their childhood environment brought them thinking that stealing wasn't wrong. Does that mean they should be able to steal?
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SantaCBear
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That was BEFORE the 'Fall' of man.
Blacksheep
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There is no such thing as 'good' and 'evil', this like the term 'normal' exist solely to compare people living within a society, as such morality as a whole is totally subjective
Beyond this plenty of shit we consider essential to being 'good ' we aren't actually born with (a willingness to share with others for one). There are ways to measure the morality of a choice or decision (the different types of utilitarianism etc.) but they won't actually tell you if the act itself is inherently evil.
Beyond this plenty of shit we consider essential to being 'good ' we aren't actually born with (a willingness to share with others for one). There are ways to measure the morality of a choice or decision (the different types of utilitarianism etc.) but they won't actually tell you if the act itself is inherently evil.
Religion doesn't enter into the equation. Just read about Jeffrey Dahmer and you'll see what I mean.
kevbo
Filling in for Tits McGee
Perhaps it's more than just early development.
Some people can snap like a twig after a scarring occurrence...
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SantaCBear
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OP interjected the word "sin" so religion/theology is relevant.
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it is a combination of the psychological make up of the person along with the environment in which the individual grows up in. there could even be a genetic disposition within the individual that we may not yet be aware of.
we lost a very good opportunity to study this very issue with Jeffrey Dahmer. had they been allowed access to his brain when he was killed we might have gained some very important information.
certainly his environmental background gave us some insights as to how this individual developed psychologically and emotionally.
eM.
Jeffrey Dahmer was a deeply religious man. He knew about sin but still did what he did. And what about that man who murdered his wife, his mother, and his 3 children, then ran off and lived a secret life for decades? He, too, was deeply religious and felt that suicide was a sin. Instead of committing the 'sin' of suicide, he committed mass murder. Reverend Jim Jones. Waco. On and on and on.
There are countless cases of pure, unadulterated evil with deeply religious backgrounds.
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SantaCBear
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Not what I meant... "Sin" is in our vocabulary because of religion/theology. Unless we were speaking of archery.
I agree with Blacksheep. "Good" and "Evil" are labels applied by society to events or deeds which are considered harmful or beneficial to the society. If a person's behavior is good or evil it is only because we say it is. A person may kill another for a variety of reasons: to avenge a perceived wrong, or doing a job (soldier, executioner), or in self-defense, or in a psychotic state, or in a jealous rage, or to end another's suffering, etc. Some of these cases are considered "good," and some "evil" by society. Maybe some people are born with a willingness to disobey the rules of society, in which case they are "born evil." Maybe some people are raised to act in defiance of societal rules, "turned evil." I suspect a combination of the two.