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Is it an American Moral imperative to care for elderly and sick?

Is it an American Moral imperative to care for elderly and sick?

  • YES

    Votes: 23 100.0%

  • NO

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    23
BostonPirate

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This is a poll gentlemen, and I hope we can have a good healthy debate on american values and how we view our elders within our American Society.

Do you have anyone older than 65 in your family?

Do you believe the nation has a commitment to care for those that have no other means of support?

Do you think that the wealthy Elders of our society are entitled to the same government care as the poor ones?

Do YOU have enough money to pay for all the elderly family members medical bills if they lose their insurance coverage?
 
I believe it is not only our duty, as human beings, but our great privilege to see to it that the elderly and sick are cared for and free from worry at their most vulnerable time of life.

My partner's grandmother is 101 and she does not need anyone to support her financially, but like all wealthy Americans who have paid into SS and medicare, they should be entitled to use whatever benefits they offer. She can afford to live the rest of her life and to die in her own home without any outside help. I believe anyone who can afford to pay for nursing homes or private care should have to do that at their own expense and not try to get taxpayers to foot the bill just to protect their estates and their heirs. Personal responsibility before beneficiaries.

I think that the poor and the elderly are taken care of in our society. An example: some friends of ours recently had their mother placed into memory care. Her total income was $1200/month. Her responsibility toward her care was deemed to be $900 with the remainder to be spent as she wished. She lives in a lovely, new residence with good care. This is good for her and fair to society and the healthcare system.

I believe at this point, Medicare is not optional so whether you need it or not, you have it. I have never objected to paying taxes to support those who legitimately need help. The problems lie with those who abuse the system. Also, there is so much waste in the Medicare system. Cuts can and should be made without anyone being hurt by them.
I could give examples, but my post is long enough.

We can afford to care for the elderly and sick in our family, and will be more than glad to do that when the time arises.
 
My mother was like your partner's grandmother. She broke her hip and replacement was impossible. It was recalled but they couldn't fix her with another one. Her SS and my Dad's SS took care of her nursing home charges with some left over. Us boys didn't have to pay anything. But not everyone is that well off, and she wasn't well off.
I am 68 and my partner 66 and my SS and his SSI are enough for rent and essentials. If he dies I will need to move to a cheaper apt or since I'm a Viet Vet I can go into a Veterans assisted living homes, there are 5 in Texas.
If I die before him, he will more than likely move in with a brother or sister. He doesn't make enough to rent on his own. The system didn't work for him, he was in a CW band most of his life. Of course, that was his mistake, leaving him with not much SS. Other than SSI I doubt he will ask for anything more in assistance. The jobs he did have just wasn't enough in SS.
So yes, I believe it is the countries moral obligation to take care of the old and ill. Oh, yeah, my partner is on SSI because of 5 congestive heart failures and sleep apnea, which is a hindrance to breathing properly.
 
Thanks for the answers so far guys. You have both shared some really personal stuff that puts this in perspective.
 
The question is a little off the mark. I believe it is a universal moral imperative to care for the elderly and the sick. Also, please include children. Nobody wants to get old and/or sick and in many cases, children cannot care for themselves. The greatest western industrial nations (plus Japan) seem to understand this. Somehow, I think these countries are able to distinguish wealth from greed. We have not. :mad:
 
^ This.

And perhaps, only this.
 
jimneighboursfortynine said:
I said no because it is the responsibility of the families. America and moral are too vague. It's a GOOD thing to take care of the elderly and sick agreed but little to do with america. It's much more local and centered on the family unit rather than a country. But it's a human issue also so in that way is bigger than a country.

I'll be 65 in not so many years but don't expect anyone to take care of me but if I am sick and unable to do it I would ask my family for help. And yes I feel they would have a moral obligation to help. But I would have to be in bad shape. Minor ailments I can handle.

But if you are asking if someone else outside my family has a moral obligation - then no - obviously not.
I mean - I wouldn't ask my neighbour or or John Q. Anyone of Anytown Kansas to help me.
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so if an elderly person has no family and they are sick and unable to take care of themselves what would you suggest we have a moral obligation to do?
 
BostonPirate said:
so if an elderly person has no family and they are sick and unable to take care of themselves what would you suggest we have a moral obligation to do?
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when you're finished editting your post up there that I quoted, adding a bunch of crap, perhaps you could get to this question?????

If you are saying we have no moral obligation to care for the sick and elderly that have no money or family then I have to tell you that you scare the fuck out of me and I can't really take you very seriously.

There are standards americans have, and I suggest you find a nation that prefers euthanizing the sick and elderly than put out the expense of paying for helping them.
 
BostonPirate said:
when you're finished editting your post up there that I quoted, adding a bunch of crap, perhaps you could get to this question?????

If you are saying we have no moral obligation to care for the sick and elderly that have no money or family then I have to tell you that you scare the fuck out of me and I can't really take you very seriously.

There are standards americans have, and I suggest you find a nation that prefers euthanizing the sick and elderly than put out the expense of paying for helping them.
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Please see ultra-liberal, socialist document The New Testament. See "The Good Samaritan" and "The Sermon on the Mount". Oh, I forgot... wankers don't use The New Testament or maybe they do - but only when it pleases them. #-o
 
chrisrobin said:
Please see ultra-liberal, socialist document The New Testament. See "The Good Samaritan" and "The Sermon on the Mount". Oh, I forgot... wankers don't use The New Testament or maybe they do - but only when it pleases them. #-o
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lol

We all know the Bible is an optional document for Republicans and conservatives. Its only good for tellingothers what to do, not to guide your own behavior.;)
 
It's not the government's responsibility, it's our responsibility as family members. I'm fortunate enough to still have both my parents. Mom has Alzheimer's and I spend a lot of time making sure she's OK and doing things for her. Dad has trouble getting around and even though he's a long way off, I go right away when he has an issue. No questions asked.

It's what we are supposed to do as decent people. My folks gave up a lot to raise me and my siblings. We all turned out to be fairly good people. It's only fair that we give up something to make their lives more comfortable when they can't take care of themselves.

That doesn't mean that I don't support programs to help the elderly when they have no one that cares. I just think it's my responsibility and not the governments, that's all.
 
jackoroe said:
That doesn't mean that I don't support programs to help the elderly when they have no one that cares. I just think it's my responsibility and not the governments, that's all.
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I tend to agree here. I prefer thinking that My family is my responsibility first, but I insist as an american, that all seniors and disabled people get the full coverage they need.

we do of course then disagree... HA

I think if its NOT the governments responsibility we have lost our moral way as a nation.
 
jimneighboursfortynine said:
Thread has been reported to moderation as well as the author of it for baiting. Read the rules of CEP
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It's not a baiting thread. Maybe the poll could have been worded a little differently, but it's fine as is. We all get the point. Fair enough?
 
BostonPirate said:
I tend to agree here. I prefer thinking that My family is my responsibility first, but I insist as an american, that all seniors and disabled people get the full coverage they need.

we do of course then disagree... HA

I think if its NOT the governments responsibility we have lost our moral way as a nation.
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Lacking a Constitutional basis to create such programs is surely a shorter road to losing our moral way.
 
jackoroe said:
BostonPirate said:
I tend to agree here. I prefer thinking that My family is my responsibility first, but I insist as an american, that all seniors and disabled people get the full coverage they need.

we do of course then disagree... HA

I think if its NOT the governments responsibility we have lost our moral way as a nation./
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Lacking the Constitutional basis to create such programs is a much shorter road to losing our moral way.
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where does the constitution say we can't choose to pay for indigent eldercare?
 
BostonPirate said:
jackoroe said:
where does the constitution say we can't choose to pay for indigent eldercare?
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The Constitution is, as Obama correctly pointed out some years ago, a list of negative rights. If it isn't specifically enumerated as a permissible enterprise for the Federal Government to be involved in, it is expressly forbidden or reserved for the States and the people.

You might try arguing from the "general welfare" portion of the Constitution, but that wasn't the founder's intent.
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jimneighboursfortynine said:
Well obviously I wouldn't want old or sick people tossed on the side of the road to die as he suggests. I still think he had a definite agenda in setting this thread up although ok not as baiting as let's say "What do you think of FOX news?"
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I define my participation in a thread as a thread starter by my first post.

Often you may find that I am rather evasive at first, as to how I feel about a proposed topic, to promote interaction.

There are times though, when I strongly feel that a certain path is correct and I LOVE a good debate.

I laid down how I felt in the OP ... the original post... of this thread.

You answered, I asked a question, you can answer and ask one yourself....

thats what I call political discourse. I have no reason to think you are a bad person. I just want this thought process carried out all the way...

If we don't pay for eldercare for indigent people, what will become of them and what are the ethics of those decisions.
 
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