Is it racist to be attracted to guys of a particular race?

[rareboy]

News to me as well.

 

[Latimer]

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The new category for "Middle Eastern or North African" has been implemented. It even has its own acronym. From the US Census Bureau website:

New “Middle Eastern or North African” Category​

The updated SPD 15 adds a new, dedicated “Middle Eastern or North African” (MENA) category. In the previous 1997 SPD 15, MENA respondents were defined and tabulated within the White racial category.
Extensive engagement with the Middle Eastern or North African community has shown strong support for a MENA category and the need for demographic and socioeconomic statistics about its population to inform policy decisions, health research, civil rights monitoring and enforcement, and many other needs.
Our research has found that including a MENA category in a combined race/ethnicity questions helps MENA respondents report their MENA identities more accurately. When no such category is available, MENA respondents are less likely to report as only MENA and instead report their MENA identity within the White category.

What Updates to OMB’s Race/Ethnicity Standards Mean for the Census Bureau (US Census Bureau; April 8, 2024)

It adds the following:

"Individuals with origins in any of the original peoples of the Middle East or North Africa, including, for example, Lebanese, Iranian, Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, and Israeli."

So, Ashkenazi Jews are now included as "original peoples of the Middle East."

 

[Latimer]

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No doubt Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib think otherwise.

 

[NotHardUp1]

To the OP's question, it has become common to squabble about racial preference expressed in dating, even though the prejudice expressed is not derogatory, oppressive, or in any way depriving any group unfairly of any social privilege.

No person is entitled to dating access to another person without that person's consent and agreement, period.

Not being welcome is not tantamount to inequity or deprivation, even though it is, by definition, a racist preeference.

Racism is not defined as causing harm but expressing a prejudice and a bias. It is not inherent that it does damage. That is connotation.

No one should equate dating and sexual attraction with the racism that makes society unfair and unequal. Not all racism is equal.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Race is a phenotypical description.

Wrong. The answer we were looking for is imaginary class system made up to distinguish *checks notes* masters of the universe from the subhuman primates created to worship and labor for them

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I didn't realise that people from North Africa and the Middle East were currently categorised as white.

They sure as fuck don't identify as black. Even "black" Africans don't identify as black. No one really does outside the US.

 

[belamyi]

Racism is in the mind of the holy-than-thouer: so what would be the claim to racism when preferring, say, blonder guys, that one considers them better looking, or that one considers them mere dollish sex objects?

I once started one of those threads that nobody ever responds to, based on my feeling that there is a specific sort of guy that really triggers my sexuality as if they were a real gender beyond male and female. I may see that sort of Spanish doll guys around 20, with their pretty profiles, cute texture crops and delicious athletic size-manageable bodies, yet the whole package of blondness (hair, blue eyes, lean facial features and athletic build) really makes me feel something to the core, and I am not even talking about sex... in most cases I do not know what would I sexually do with them, or even if I would be interested in doing anything... I do not even consider them mere adoration ideal sublimated objects (the stupid assumption that some people with whom I shared this feeling stupidly thought of me): it is not that they are "my type" (even if they actually can be considered that)... as I have said before, it's as if they were the closest token for what would be that "soulmate" some truly idiotic notions teach us.

When it comes down to sex, the sort of guy that have truly made me hard and last long had NOTHING of blondness or even light eyes, but had all the rugged athletic manliness and body curves that attract me from blonds having that "whole package" I tried to describe above... you can be the blodest, most blue-eyed, manageable bottom [Text: Removed], you are not my thing AT ALL.

Actually, as cute and interesting I may have discovered to find guys in their twenties, more because of their fresher and energetic (though not sillily enthousiastic) vitality, I still find a more mature guy may be what still attaches more to an active sexual interest and activity.

That should be ^"holier-than-thouer", right?

 

[belamyi]

So the question is whether it is racist not to go interracial in relationships.

 

[NotHardUp1]

So the question is whether it is racist not to go interracial in relationships.

More narrowly, whether to announce it.

And the OP never said he was not attracted to other races, only that if he expressed a preference, would it offend others simply because he admitted he's specifically attracted to one or more races, likely not his own.

 

[LilBit]

I didn't realise that people from North Africa and the Middle East were currently categorised as white.

According to the US Census Bureau, we are indeed.

 

[Kahaih]

According to the US Census Bureau, we are indeed.

Don't you have the option to pick/choose/identify your race yourself?

I'm sure that a lot of people, probably most, go by family folklore when they answer that question. Like all of the people who have a great grandmother who was an 'Indian' princess. LOL

 

[unloadonme]

According to the US Census Bureau, we are indeed.

Don't you have the option to pick/choose/identify your race yourself?

I'm sure that a lot of people, probably most, go by family folklore when they answer that question. Like all of the people who have a great grandmother who was an 'Indian' princess. LOL

How reliable can the US Census Bureau's data be when their categories are (or were) so broad and when we live in an age when people seem able to self-identify as whatever they like?

 

[Kahaih]

How reliable can the US Census Bureau's data be when their categories are (or were) so broad and when we live in an age when people seem able to self-identify as whatever they like?

We've had many threads about genealogy where people have confessed to things like not even knowing their grandmothers' maiden names.

 

[belamyi]

According to the US Census Bureau, we are indeed.

Go tell half the US population that a Spaniards "identifies as white".
If one's eyes and skin bear well under the sun, you are not very "white".

 

[belamyi]

How reliable can the US Census Bureau's data be when their categories are (or were) so broad and when we live in an age when people seem able to self-identify as whatever they like?

Well, if nobody seems to have a problem with physiologically and genetically African people identifying themselves as "US citizens" because their ancestors were kidnapped from Central Africa and sold to lily-white people in America,
why should anyone have a problem with a certain sexual pelvic angle identifying as this or that "genre"?
or with men attracted to manhole-sex choosing to pound foof, breed kids and attend a 20000-people-mass mass gathering every Sunday?

 

[unloadonme]

Well, if nobody seems to have a problem with physiologically and genetically African people identifying themselves as "US citizens" because their ancestors were kidnapped from Central Africa and sold to lily-white people in America, why should anyone have a problem with a certain seuxal pelvic angle identifying as this or that "genre"?

That's very confused. African-Americans identify as US citizens because they were born in the US and legally are US citizens. They also (at least mostly) identify as black because of their ancestry. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[belamyi]

That's very confused. African-Americans identify as US citizens because they were born in the US and legally are US citizens. They also (at least mostly) identify as black because of their ancestry. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

One "very confused" argument against "genre-self-indentification" is that, when Caitlyn Jenner dies, if her bones are found in centuries to come, her pelvic angle would identify her as a "Bruce", and they consider it a "case-closing" argument.
According to that same "very confused" logic, if someone finds Condoleezza Rice remains several centuries from now, some may surmise she was an African woman who got stranded or had voyaged to the Americas, or that the white suprematist population of the USA are Europeans for the same reason.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Well, if nobody seems to have a problem with physiologically and genetically African people identifying themselves as "US citizens" because their ancestors were kidnapped from Central Africa and sold to lily-white people in America,
why should anyone have a problem with a certain sexual pelvic angle identifying as this or that "genre"?
or with men attracted to manhole-sex choosing to pound foof, breed kids and attend a 20000-people-mass mass gathering every Sunday?

Not to take anything away from the legacy of slavery in America, the importation of blacks wasn't some unique or singular oppression in the Old or New Worlds.

Native Americans took neighboring tribes as slaves, when they didn't slaughter them. Those in Alaska would usually instantly kill any of the tribes from the Northwest that ventured into their range. They had no tolerance for one another geographically, outside of trade.

And the colonies on the East Coast were not exactly resort towns. Those who didn't come fleeing religious persecution in the highly sectarian Europe, came in economic hopes of having an opportunity in a society less hide-bound than the feudal systems they left behind, with limited opportunities if you were in a guild or mastered a craft.

And then there were the prisoners sent to Georgia.

The poverty didn't end with the Colonial Period for many whites in America. There were plenty of poor white sharecroppers in the South, almost up to the time I was born, and the industrial north kept working waver after wave of immigrants to death in factories and stuffing them into slums as if they were yet in Paris or London.

And the Chinese who built the railroads were less than slaves, with no rights and worked to death like beasts of burden, and for the richest robber barons in the country.

Race was indeed used to oppress, but it's not like everyone else lived in a 1950's middle class Utopia. The 1% were still the 1%, and it took a long time to build up the Middle Class that we are so rapidly eliminating now.

 

[belamyi]

Not to take anything away from the legacy of slavery in America, the importation of blacks wasn't some unique or singular oppression in the Old or New Worlds.

Native Americans took neighboring tribes as slaves, when they didn't slaughter them. Those in Alaska would usually instantly kill any of the tribes from the Northwest that ventured into their range. They had no tolerance for one another geographically, outside of trade.

And the colonies on the East Coast were not exactly resort towns. Those who didn't come fleeing religious persecution in the highly sectarian Europe, came in economic hopes of having an opportunity in a society less hide-bound than the feudal systems they left behind, with limited opportunities if you were in a guild or mastered a craft.

And then there were the prisoners sent to Georgia.

The poverty didn't end with the Colonial Period for many whites in America. There were plenty of poor white sharecroppers in the South, almost up to the time I was born, and the industrial north kept working waver after wave of immigrants to death in factories and stuffing them into slums as if they were yet in Paris or London.

And the Chinese who built the railroads were less than slaves, with no rights and worked to death like beasts of burden, and for the richest robber barons in the country.

Race was indeed used to oppress, but it's not like everyone else lived in a 1950's middle class Utopia. The 1% were still the 1%, and it took a long time to build up the Middle Class that we are so rapidly eliminating now.

Not to take anything away from what you are referring there, but this was about what bothers certain people in the US and in Europe concerning sex, genre and identity, not about what was going on elsewhere through history, or what equally bothers as much in the rest of the world.

 

[peeonme]

Do you think.its racist if you go on a dating app and specify that you are interested in, say, Asian guys? Do people get offended by this? Because it seems to me you have as much chance in controlling what kind of guy you are attracted to as controlling whether you are gay or straight? Does it come down to the way you express the specifics of your attraction? For example, inferring it somehow without explicitly saying it.

Is it sexist to say that you are only attracted to men? It's like oral sex.... all a matter of taste.