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Is mysticism an alien concept?

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The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man.
”~Professor Albert Einstein

Suggesting that for one scientist, among many mysticism is not an alien concept.

The early pioneers of Quantum Theory such as Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenbeg, Wolfgang Pauli, Geoffrey Chew, and, Bernard Lovell have all been aware of the parallels between mysticism and Quantum Theory with Fritjof Capra identifying nine such parallels: reference: The Tao of Physics, subtitled An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism. The Tao of Physics asserts that both physics and metaphysics lead inexorably to the same knowledge.

Paul of Tarsus: “We, though many, are one body in Christ and, individually, members of one another”. Rom. 12:5 Paul also tells us that “Before anything was created, He existed, and He holds all things in unity”. Col. 1: 16-1. He also knew about light. “As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him”. 4 Acts 9.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.~Genesis 1:3

The first Book of John also dwells on the light entering the world.

The substance of the Universe, what the Universe is made of, is light. Ilya Prigogine tells us, “matter is just a minor pollutant in a Universe made of light” and the scientist Max Planck said, “there is no matter as such.” Scientists have only discovered in recent times that matter is ‘gravitationally trapped light’ and so Einstein said “For the rest of my life I want to reflect on what light is.”

We understand that matter, and light are ultimately interchangeable. Matter is nothing but gravitationally trapped light. For every particle of matter, there are one billion particles of light. Even the human body stores immense amounts of light.

The Christ has also been called the Zen Master, and surely he is giving us a koan or two, to jolt us out of our ordinary way of thinking, when He said “The one who eats my flesh and drinks my blood dwells in me and I in him.” John 6:56 and “Dwell in me as I in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit by itself unless it dwell in the vine, neither can you unless you dwell in me.” Jn 15:4 and “As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us.” John 17:21.

Obviously, Christ's words are no more than just metaphor, standard Biblical truths, not actuality ? Could it be that it is much more because now we know that the Universe is a Universe of light, and so the Body of Christ is photons of light, and Christ is the light of the world, and we are all just photons of light, and so it is all about light. Certainly by now it is almost be axiomatic that Quantum Theory, being about light can even give us some idea of what the creator is as revealed in light.

Zen also speaks about the light of the world saying, that
when we become enlightened there is a Buddha of light in your own body. Once that Buddha of light appears, mountains, rivers, earth, grass, trees, and forests suddenly glow with a great light. To see this, you have to look inside your own heart."

It could be said, and I'll say it that anyone who considers that they are spiritual is also mystical, and this could no doubt be a huge surprise perhaps even a somewhat unpleasant surprise because of the general belief that mysticism is strangely weird even alien to the rational mind. But what it could mean is that there is oneness with the divine mystery, and this oneness is at its most profound when love of another person, or persons opens up our life to sharing, assisting, and embracing those whose very existence may come to depend upon our giving of self for love's sake.
 
My favourite quote from Fritjof Capra:

“Quantum theory thus reveals a basic oneness of the universe. It shows that we cannot decompose the world into independently existing smallest units. As we penetrate into matter, nature does not show us any isolated "building blocks," but rather appears as a complicated web of relations between the various parts of the whole. These relations always include the observer in an essential way. The human observer constitute the final link in the chain of observational processes, and the properties of any atomic object can be understood only in terms of the object's interaction with the observer.”
― The Tao of Physics
 
I find myself more aware of darkness, than of light. That is to say some of the most important things I can think of seem to have no answer; that the nature of the world is painful, that the promises of civilization are inadequate, that our hope for substance seems to end in trickery, that our capacity to understand is limited in a few key areas.

Having said that, with little awareness of real illumination, I can at least say I treasure my awareness of these troubles. I'm reminded of The Cloud of Unknowing, which I read many, many years ago, and remember one of its core ideas:

Therefore it is my wish to leave everything that I can think of and choose for my love the thing that I cannot think. For while God may be loved but not thought. God can be taken and held by love but not by thought. Therefore though it is good at times to think of the kindness and worthiness of God in particular, and though this is a light and a part of contemplation, nevertheless, in this exercise, it must be cast down and covered over with a cloud of forgetting. You are to step above it stalwartly but lovingly, with a devout, pleasing, stirring of love and desire to pierce that darkness above you. You are to smite upon the thick cloud of unknowing with a sharp dart of longing love and do not cease no matter what happens.

I can only speak for myself, that the trouble of the darkness provokes in me some longing for illumination...perhaps without this trouble, we would not seek satisfaction in the first place. So, is mysticism an alien concept? Yes, in that I'm not a mystic; and no, in that I think I have some inkling of the mystic's redress.
 
The Catholic Church is full of Mystics through the ages, and to just name a few.....Ss. Teresa of Avila, and John of the Cross, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Clare of Assisi, St. Padre Pio, and many more.
 
I find myself more aware of darkness, than of light. That is to say some of the most important things I can think of seem to have no answer; that the nature of the world is painful, that the promises of civilization are inadequate, that our hope for substance seems to end in trickery, that our capacity to understand is limited in a few key areas.

Having said that, with little awareness of real illumination, I can at least say I treasure my awareness of these troubles. I'm reminded of The Cloud of Unknowing, which I read many, many years ago, and remember one of its core ideas:



I can only speak for myself, that the trouble of the darkness provokes in me some longing for illumination...perhaps without this trouble, we would not seek satisfaction in the first place. So, is mysticism an alien concept? Yes, in that I'm not a mystic; and no, in that I think I have some inkling of the mystic's redress.


Teresa of Avila is an ideal source of wisdom knowing that in your own particular case darkness has provided you with inspiration, leading to illumination for without experiencing the trials, and tribulations of life we can never experience enlightenment that opens our eyes to see what we need to do to transform our circumstances....it is often said that to recognise the light, we must have experienced darkness.....night, and day so to speak.
 
The Catholic Church is full of Mystics through the ages, and to just name a few.....Ss. Teresa of Avila, and John of the Cross, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Clare of Assisi, St. Padre Pio, and many more.

I've identified with Padre Pio, often over the years, a source of loving encouragement.
 
Teresa of Avila is an ideal source of wisdom knowing that in your own particular case darkness has provided you with inspiration, leading to illumination for without experiencing the trials, and tribulations of life we can never experience enlightenment that opens our eyes to see what we need to do to transform our circumstances....it is often said that to recognise the light, we must have experienced darkness.....night, and day so to speak.

It was St. John of the Cross who wrote "Dark Night of the Soul" while imprisoned.
 
It was St. John of the Cross who wrote "Dark Night of the Soul" while imprisoned.

Another Carmelite......I like this quotation from the original Cloude of the Unknowing:

"For He can well be loved, but he cannot be thought. By love he can be grasped and held, but by thought, neither grasped nor held. And therefore, though it may be good at times to think specifically of the kindness and excellence of God, and though this may be a light and a part of contemplation, all the same, in the work of contemplation itself, it must be cast down and covered with a cloud of forgetting. And you must step above it stoutly but deftly, with a devout and delightful stirring of love, and struggle to pierce that darkness above you; and beat on that thick cloud of unknowing with a sharp dart of longing love, and do not give up, whatever happens."
 
Another Carmelite......I like this quotation from the original Cloude of the Unknowing:

The Cloud of Unknowing is a good book to read and meditate on. I had a hard copy of the book, and now I have it on my computer.
 
We live in a totally dark and silent universe. Light as we experience it, like sound as we experience it, are creations of our brains. The tree falling creates waves in the air. Out ears convert it to electronic signals and our brains create what we experience as sound. Light consists of electromagnetic wavs of differing lengths. Our eyes detect it and send electronic signals to the brain which then creates light and color as we experience them.
 
^Sensory perception.....the human brain transforms photons into images, vibrations into sounds, and noises......chemical reactions into specific aromas, and tastes.......the universe is colourless, inodorous, and silent......
 
Reality is not an illusion. Two people may PERCEIVE the reality of falling off a cliff very differently - yet they both go splat in exactly the same way.

There is no point in religion if "God" is not EMPIRICALLY factual. Indeed none of the religious in this thread talking about spirituality or faith or even perception will dispute that. They'll just run away from the question because it requires them to defend the undefendable.

If one's God is not factually real, one's religion is false. Period.
 
We live in a totally dark and silent universe. Light as we experience it, like sound as we experience it, are creations of our brains. The tree falling creates waves in the air. Out ears convert it to electronic signals and our brains create what we experience as sound. Light consists of electromagnetic wavs of differing lengths. Our eyes detect it and send electronic signals to the brain which then creates light and color as we experience them.

What a load of bunk. Your brain does not create light, it evolved to respond to the light that exists INDEPENDENT of you.

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I mean really, that anyone could even propose that is ludicrous.
 
Reality is not an illusion. Two people may PERCEIVE the reality of falling off a cliff very differently - yet they both go splat in exactly the same way.

There is no point in religion if "God" is not EMPIRICALLY factual. Indeed none of the religious in this thread talking about spirituality or faith or even perception will dispute that. They'll just run away from the question because it requires them to defend the undefendable.

If one's God is not factually real, one's religion is false. Period.

This post responds to another thread, mea culpa, but upon reflection it's just as germane here.
 
We live in a totally dark and silent universe. Light as we experience it, ...are creations of our brains. Light consists of electromagnetic wavs [recte: waves]of differing lengths. ...

Huh?

I must require sourcing.

Convince a plant of your hypothesis.
 
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