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Is "Oriental" a racist word??

I personally hate being called a white guy

I hate being called anything besides my name, hot, cute, or sexy.

All joking aside though, none of my asian friends take offense when someone says it, they just laugh. Likening it to the "n" word isn't really accurate since it is well known that the "n" word is a racial slur, but there are still quite a lot of people that have no clue the word oriental is offensive at all.
 
It's not mudane stuff to the people who it offends.

Please, what you're really saying is this :"I don't think it's a problem or offensive, and since I'm always right, then other people are just being petty"

The words we use to describe ourselves are very much loaded with meaning and often connect to deep levels of personal sigifigance. If someone does not want to be described in a certian way, then why continue to use the word?

Again, why don't you simply use their names?

as in:

"This is Bob. He works in accounting"

NOT

"This is Bob. He's an Asian man of mixed ancestory, has three children, is widely considered a hetrosexual, worships Jesus but not in a church setting, and voted republican last year."
 
I don't think the term is always used to bring offence.

I think you have to look at the context in which the person is using it.

I agree, this word can be taken with many interpretations. It seems there is no definite right/wrong way to use it because of this. I'd say you have to look at it on a person to person preference.

Don't know the person, play it safe and ask
"Where are you from?" or something to that effect.
 
er... I dont' see any problem~~ Oriental sounds better~
Plus, Japanese and Korean are all CHINESE! C'mon!
 
Or, better yet: Just use their name.

Yes - if you know it. Same way that if you know someone is Chinese, you can say "Chinese." It's when you don't that things get messy.

On a related note, we South Africans found it most amusing when Nelson Mandela was introduced as "one of the world's greatest African-Americans" by a US interviewer mindful of not using the word "black."

Bearing in mind he's African through and through with not even the slightest little bit of American in him, the whole PC thing becomes just a little bit silly, I'm sure you'll all agree.

-d-
 
You know, when I'm referring to any native of the planet Terra, I just use the term "stupid ape".

Works for me.
 
^Swine? That's insulting to pigs.

At least any "ape" is more closely related to humans than the poor, tasty bacon-makers are.

-d-
 
Why must we make everything so gosh darn difficult. If you call someone "Oriental" and they get pissed because it describes an object too bad. If we can refer to an "Italian"suit it must then be a bad thing to refer to someone from Italy as Italian. If we can talk about German cars, than people from Germany must be called something else, perhaps Teutonic would be inoffensive.
 
I'm sorry, I was really crappy on some earlier posts (from the night before last) in this thread. I wish to apologise after having read them again. There is no excuse for the way I said what I said, as one can have an opinion and still not be rude about it. It doesn't mean I have changed my mind, (although I do think, after having read others' posts as well, that I understand a little bit more about what angers some people about the word), it just means that I should have expressed myself differently. My bad moods should never be someone else's problem. I do apologise.
 
Yes, it is.

You only use that term to describe objects, not people.

It's not semantics, it's the wonder of the english language and word meanings.

i have three asian friends (thai, japanese, and fillipeno). they've all said the same thing. oriental describes a thing or place (like a rug, or cooking, or vase) but asian describes people. none of them have said that it's like using the "n" word. i was just told it was inappropriate.
 
disclaimer: this is my opinion as a Chinese-Born US Citizen. My post is written from that perspective so I'll generally use Chinese instead of Asian as I can't speak for all Asians, but I believe most of what I say can be applied that way.

For the record, racism is a very strong accusation that implies a person's perceived superiority of a certain race or the inferiority of another race. This is why the "n word" can be considered racist, but generally I don't think the same argument can be made as strongly with the word 'Oriental.' People who use that word on others just sound somewhat archaic or ignorant to me.

There are many Chinese Americans who are fine with whatever you call them and there are some who hate being called anything but their name. The difference isn't in what's PC or "considered offensive" or whatever. The difference is in the cultural context of the person.

It's my opinion that Chinese culture does not figure in heavily into American culture. By that I mean that Chinese culture and American culture have largely remained separate entities. It is often important for a person to identify with a certain culture. For people who are originally from China or grew up in a very Chinese neighborhood, it might not be much of an issue for them to be called Chinese, or Asian, or even Oriental.

However, for the slowly growing group of Chinese/Asian Americans (like myself), we are sort of at the cross roads. My parents, although originally born in China, have done very little to bring me up in Chinese culture. Rather, they scoff at my brother and me as American-born (they use a somewhat pejorative term specifically for westernized Chinese) and regard it as an inevitability of moving to the US. This is very apparent to any westernized Chinese people who go to a Chinatown and attempt to talk to some people working there. Although I don't think my Chinese is that bad, I've been chuckled at and given the "oh children these days.." sort of response when asking for something. Sometimes they'll respond in English which is kind of annoying because I can usually understand Chinese much better than broken English. Even my own grandmother asked me why American born Chinese youths seem so dumb (she is too old to imagine a person who looks Chinese to not be able to speak Chinese well, and so she take the lack of conversation as a sign of unintelligence - this is not uncommon). This illustrates that between the cultural and often-times language barrier, Chinese Americans, and probably many Asian Americans, feel disconnected with the social circle and culture of their heritage.

On the flip side, I also don't feel that there is a very distinct Chinese American culture in the US in particular. What's there is often a preservation of Chinese culture, and, though certainly wonderful and important to me, lacks an American distinction and American context. This is slowly changing, but this was certainly the case when I was growing up. The result of this is that Chinese people are understandably seen at first-glance as outsiders in a very general way. This sometimes poses a challenge to Chinese Americans because now they may feel excluded from the very culture they feel closest (e.g. think of how a guy who acts even the slightest bit effeminate automatically adopts the whole pop-culture gay-man dossier and loses his individuality). This is the key to the whole issue. This is also what might be called the Asian American Identity Crisis. We don't very nicely fit into either our heritage's culture, or the one we grew up in.

So the moral of the story is that words like "oriental" don't offend people because the words are intrinsically offensive, but because they invoke the idea that the person referred to is an outsider, that the person referred to is so generic that no other more individualistic descriptors can be used to describe the person (obviously a police description is a different story). And though this may not necessarily seem like a big deal (like to the person who said he was called a "white person" when in an Asian country), it is different in the context of a person who doesn't associate him/herself as an outsider. And you may feel that this is still not a good enough reason to second think your words, but at least you'll understand why it's an issue to some people. I think people generally want you to know them as individuals, especially when they're on your team.


And before you say "stop being such a wimp and do something about it" - well we are, and I hope to contribute. The key to cultural change is the natural formation of the values and philosophy that distinctly make up who we are as Chinese or Asian Americans, shaped around the common human condition of individuals, not group-think and self-segregation. This change is fueled by outward manifestations of culture - art, literature, music, films, that are made by me, and maybe you, depicting our philosophy and world-view as individuals, categorized not by the color of our skin or the shape of our eyes, but by the it-just-so-happens coincidences of how people react to the same social conditions. Doesn't this sound like a perfect analogue to queer culture? Maybe it's because identity is something everyone deals with, be it through race, sex, gender, orientation, etc. when we realize there are people out there who are different from us.
 
I think in effect you wouldn't say; "oriental" is racist, just a bit outdated. It's sort of like calling African Americans "negroes". Not really racist, just a little too old-fashioned -- and it goes back to a time when racism was a bit more overt.
 
last night, i was at this gay bar for some kind of martini testing... anyways, my cousin and i was at the bar and there was this older looking man right next to us. the bartender turned to him and asked him what would he like. he looked at us and smilingly said "i want some oriental express" my cousin and i just looked at each other and then walk away... i've been thinking to myself all day that has better be a compliment... the way he looked at us is as if he was hungry for some loving... some people just don't know the right approach... and what the hell is an oriental express anywayss.?
 
Of course not. This pc stuff is getting beyond ridiculous.
I used that term with a coworker about 5 years ago... he said that was a rascist term. I looked at him in disbelief and asked why. Course he couldn't give me an answer.
What is rascist about it.

Good post.

It can be "in bad taste" depending on your voice's intonation.
Sometimes "oriental" is just an adjective.

But there are some occasions when it is insensitive. Listen carefully to the intonation. You'll notice it fairly easily when it happens. Such people just need to grow up a bit and be more aware. For those people and people in general, "East Asian" is a good general expression. Oriental is OK, but I think "East Asian" is a little more sensitive and inter-cultural.

Sometimes older folks, say from the WWII generation, will use the word and it will sound "insensitive" because the world they grew up in was in many ways less aware of itself and their phrasings had to rely on impreciseness. When that happens, of course, you generally ignore it.

But in the future if you go beyond appearances just ask someone their name, try to pronounce it right, and if you get beyond that, ask where they're from and if their English is good, just share and be friendly and don't expect you already know much of anything about their world. A lot of it is just like ours and a lot of it is completely different.
 
For Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Nepalese, Bengalis, Punjabis, etc.
"South Asian" is both elegant and correct.

For Burmese, Thai, Laotian, Cambodian, Vietnamese, Malay, and Indonesian "South-East Asian" or "Southeast Asian."

Filipino? Loosely speaking, "Southeast Asian" but "Filipino" works a little better. "East Asian" is not wrong in their case.
Taiwanese is also "East Asian." There are aspects of Taiwanese culture that link it with the Phillipines and Japan.


You could also use the terms "Western Asia" and "Central Asian" respectively.
Iran and Arabia and parts west of Pakistan are West Asian. Turkestan and Mongolian are "Central Asian."
There are some cultures that can be termed "Eurasian."
"Siberian" would be "North Asian" in case you were wondering.
 
my neck gets bitten in two ways:
1. assuming nationality/ethnicity/race/origin of birth
2. asking nationality/ethnicity/race/origin of birth.
lose lose situation.
i generally avoid people who are too PC to recognize a person making an honest attempt at being PC.
 
For Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Nepalese, Bengalis, Punjabis, etc.
"South Asian" is both elegant and correct.

For Burmese, Thai, Laotian, Cambodian, Vietnamese, Malay, and Indonesian "South-East Asian" or "Southeast Asian."

Filipino? Loosely speaking, "Southeast Asian" but "Filipino" works a little better. "East Asian" is not wrong in their case.
Taiwanese is also "East Asian." There are aspects of Taiwanese culture that link it with the Phillipines and Japan.


You could also use the terms "Western Asia" and "Central Asian" respectively.
Iran and Arabia and parts west of Pakistan are West Asian. Turkestan and Mongolian are "Central Asian."
There are some cultures that can be termed "Eurasian."
"Siberian" would be "North Asian" in case you were wondering.

Oh my God!!!!:eek: No wonder some people prefer just to use Oriental! PC is getting WAAAAAAAAY out of hand - :rolleyes:
 
Now that I've read ladygrey's comment on this, that sounds like the best solution of them all.

Yet...APSTPBOFEADWMOMNBACOROA really started growing on me...oh well.


I agree woaini. I tell my Asian friends: "It's common knowledge that all Asian people are, in fact, Chinese; and that the capital of Asia is Tokyo." That doesn't usually bode well, though, seeing as they're mostly Filipino...

Thanks! But the capital of Asia soon will be BEIJING!~
 
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