Is Positive Discrimination A Good Thing ?

[carlohan]

Mehh, those are all debatable points. But as I said, we've already given this thread far more than it's worth.

um you do realize this a forum for discussion, right?
but yes lets close this thread and only allow threads with frivolous topics

edit: i just realized that for this post, it would have been more appropriate to use the comment function

 

[Taz]

How about this:

As a lifeguard I discriminate based on race. Not to say I make negative actions, but I almost always judge people based on race.

For example, if I see an Asian or an Indian enter the water, I'm going to assume they can't swim. In about 80% of cases I'm correct, and I can take action to prevent an incident, or I'm on the ball the second they are in trouble. It's descrimination too though no? I judge them based on race, and I'll let my fellow lifeguards know to watch out for them.

For me it's a positive form of discrimination. I'm keeping people safe based on racist assumptions.

 

[carlohan]

I see this as any good doctor would. If a patient is suffering from severe pain, a good doctor would want to try to get to the bottom of what's causing the pain. A bad doctor would prescribe pain medicine and call it good. Same thing is said about Affirmative acting; make it feel like there isn't a problem doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

the whole basis of this argument is that affirmative action does nothing to get at the root of the problem. Except it does. (refers to Deja's post**) If we're going to go with a pain analogy, well with severe and prolonged pain, a patient can go into shock and die long before a cure for the root problem is found...so...

 

[RaKroma]

Certain industries can afford to play with affirmative action but in other industries like medicine, power plant management or the military, this becomes a liability when people selected to positions are not qualified academically or physically to perform duties where incompetence leads to serious danger to others.

 

[JPGhost]

How about this:

As a lifeguard I discriminate based on race. Not to say I make negative actions, but I almost always judge people based on race.

For example, if I see an Asian or an Indian enter the water, I'm going to assume they can't swim. In about 80% of cases I'm correct, and I can take action to prevent an incident, or I'm on the ball the second they are in trouble. It's descrimination too though no? I judge them based on race, and I'll let my fellow lifeguards know to watch out for them.

For me it's a positive form of discrimination. I'm keeping people safe based on racist assumptions.

Watchout more for african american tourist

 

[JPGhost]

@OP= Whatever y'all say, I say it's system. When someone use "diverse" card in numerous court case- that become part of political move/system.

It's nothing than

in modern era and become another way to exercise white man's dick (reverse racism) . Although there are some consideration in few cases when minority really need the aid but in longer term- people need to getting advance for themselves. I believe we can when resources available for all.

@Pete= not all minority do walmart/mcdonalds...we're in era of minority franchise ^^

 

[JPGhost]

Certain industries can afford to play with affirmative action but in other industries like medicine, power plant management or the military, this becomes a liability when people selected to positions are not qualified academically or physically to perform duties where incompetence leads to serious danger to others.

Boeing trust Indian/China engineers more?

 

[medic1]

Boeing trust Indian/China engineers more?

JP , are you trying to "usurp" our Telly ?

 

[RaKroma]

Boeing trust Indian/China engineers more?

Indian/Chinese that are educated in the U.S. are hardly in the category of minority status that need affirmative action programs. Indians as a group are one of the wealthiest ethnic group in America sometimes outpacing White Americans. The same goes for Asian Americans who are more likely to have college education than Whites and earn a middle to upper middle class household wages.

 

[Kabluey]

Hmmmm - problem I see is at least partly demographic.
Reduced social mobility means that if any race is over-represented in terms of poverty or wealth then people of that race will likely stay that way.
If you're poor, have limited access to good quality education and little social contact with people from wealthier sectors or role models that can provide cues on how to get ahead, then your ability to move upward is hindered.
Likewise if you're born in to a wealthy family with high levels of education and are well connected, then the world is pretty much your oyster. You don't need to display extreme excellence to get in to top schools and colleges if you can pay your way, you don't need to worry about income when taking on internships and you do have a family safety net to fall back on if things go wrong financially. The bar is lower regardless of race or gender.
Moves to reduce inter-generational poverty would probably be effective (whatever they might be?) in helping reduce inequality across the board if coupled with firm anti-discrimination laws. The problem with that approach is the time required before the statistics look better.

 

[mikey3000]

How about this:

As a lifeguard I discriminate based on race. Not to say I make negative actions, but I almost always judge people based on race.

For example, if I see an Asian or an Indian enter the water, I'm going to assume they can't swim. In about 80% of cases I'm correct, and I can take action to prevent an incident, or I'm on the ball the second they are in trouble. It's descrimination too though no? I judge them based on race, and I'll let my fellow lifeguards know to watch out for them.

For me it's a positive form of discrimination. I'm keeping people safe based on racist assumptions.

Here in Canada we call that racial profiling. While totally logical, it's also totally illegal but it happens all the time.

 

[JPGhost]

Indian/Chinese that are educated in the U.S. are hardly in the category of minority status that need affirmative action programs. Indians as a group are one of the wealthiest ethnic group in America sometimes outpacing White Americans. The same goes for Asian Americans who are more likely to have college education than Whites and earn a middle to upper middle class household wages.

Indian/Chinese that are educated in the U.S. are hardly in the category of minority status that need affirmative action programs. Indians as a group are one of the wealthiest ethnic group in America sometimes outpacing White Americans. The same goes for Asian Americans who are more likely to have college education than Whites and earn a middle to upper middle class household wages.

'xactly that's what I meant. There are many kinds of minority. In census speaking, they're the minorities if compared to demographic native citizen. Some of them imported with worker visa for special project, because brain and money always speak louder.

As Bendy mentioned 'women' for a leg up. I take that as his misogynic humor
hillarious tho ^^

However there is another similar local case of 'affirmative action', but it's happen among native citizen- they line up for food stamp and other government aid program. Some of them unable to get a job with reason range from criminal records through reckless driving, also some of them unable to obtain any possession due to bad credits.

Is there any legal term-policy for them? Currently I call it: Natural born privilege aid kit ^^

Even Im not a natural born citizen but if I handle the case- forget affirmative action, save them first!

 

[JPGhost]

Here in Canada we call that racial profiling. While totally logical, it's also totally illegal but it happens all the time.

TBH I bless this process...^^ In healthy measure, human should take this opportunity as an aid, not as advantage to drowning in comfort zone. All Healthy human being should think like that.
We can spot lazy and slow cows from the regulars.

I can't keep my words though, as if saved by white lifeguard while touching their firm bodies ..not addicting enough...

 

[JPGhost]

'xactly that's what I meant. There are many kinds of minority. In census speaking, they're the minorities if compared to demographic native citizen. Some of them imported with worker visa for special project, because brain and money always speak louder.

As Bendy mentioned 'women' for a leg up. I take that as his misogynic humor
hillarious tho ^^

However there is another similar local case of 'affirmative action', but it's happen among native citizen- they line up for food stamp and other government aid program. Some of them unable to get a job with reason range from criminal records through reckless driving, also some of them unable to obtain any possession due to bad credits.

Is there any legal term-policy for them? Currently I call it: Natural born privilege aid kit ^^

Even Im not a natural born citizen but if I handle the case- forget affirmative action, save them first!

Uhmm actually I tried to be innocent here not to mention something

 

[JPGhost]

like..African American dynamic in this whole situation. x_x

It's not the same fun like to blame the flaw of affirmative action policy to majority white OWNERS (ie: white man burdens) because they won't budge, right? ^^
In US, if Im using natural born privilege aid argument - it'll become double sided sword.

yet, maybe works if we narrow down the argument between "foreign minority" affirmative action vs. white majority- that might happening in UK when native citizen all growing in same pace with only foreigners from Algeria, Morroco or north african countries flew there for advancement.

But in US we have african american who grew in same history with white and native american- still are regular of this policy/system and I dont have satisfaction saying this.

 

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