The Original Gay Porn Community - Free Gay Movies and Photos, Gay Porn Site Reviews and Adult Gay Forums

  • Welcome To Just Us Boys - The World's Largest Gay Message Board Community

    In order to comply with recent US Supreme Court rulings regarding adult content, we will be making changes in the future to require that you log into your account to view adult content on the site.
    If you do not have an account, please register.
    REGISTER HERE - 100% FREE / We Will Never Sell Your Info

    PLEASE READ: To register, turn off your VPN (iPhone users- disable iCloud); you can re-enable the VPN after registration. You must maintain an active email address on your account: disposable email addresses cannot be used to register.

Is the West made safer by bin Laden's death?

It could be argued that the killing of Bin Laden will encourage would be international terrorists to ponder their own fate, much more carefully when considering bombing innocent civilians.

There should be no time limit when exacting justice on those who have appointed themselves mass murderers.

United States foreign policy helped liberate Europe, and Asia from occupation, and oppression by the regimes of Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo. Let us also recall the good that man does.

All human life is flawed.
 
The exposure of Bin Laden as a lunatic capable of killing 100's of Muslims to kill a few Americans opened this generations eyes to the fact that OBL is not the light or a future. They also seem to realize that there own tyrannical leaders keeping all of the fruits of the declining oil wealth is serving them no good. I wonder who tweeted that to them.

Failed policy indeed.

Hater
 
Bin Laden hadn't been able to mastermind much anything after 9-11. So, an argument could be made that he really didn't pose much of a threat.

The terrorists are much more decentralized now. They can act in very low tech ways that can still cause havoc. Think shopping centers and schools.

The revolutions going on in the Middle East may not be the good thing that many seem to think they are. The Muslim Brotherhood seems to be emerging as a leading political force in Egypt. More radical religious screwballs running countries is not exactly what we need.
 
Bin Laden hadn't been able to mastermind much anything after 9-11. So, an argument could be made that he really didn't pose much of a threat.

The terrorists are much more decentralized now. They can act in very low tech ways that can still cause havoc. Think shopping centers and schools.

The revolutions going on in the Middle East may not be the good thing that many seem to think they are. The Muslim Brotherhood seems to be emerging as a leading political force in Egypt. More radical religious screwballs running countries is not exactly what we need.

I dis-agree.
As long as there is no war there, it will be good.
 
Yes.

Those gorgeous Navy SEALS stormed bin Laden's complex, killed him, demoralizing al Qaeda. Plus they grabbed computers, hard drives, piles of papers with information on where the sleeper cells are and who to watch out for.

They'll be spending a lot of time covering their tracks to be concerned about attacking anyone for revenge.
 
Bin Laden hadn't been able to mastermind much anything after 9-11. So, an argument could be made that he really didn't pose much of a threat.

The terrorists are much more decentralized now. They can act in very low tech ways that can still cause havoc. Think shopping centers and schools.

The revolutions going on in the Middle East may not be the good thing that many seem to think they are. The Muslim Brotherhood seems to be emerging as a leading political force in Egypt. More radical religious screwballs running countries is not exactly what we need.


Oh God.

The new mantra from the right.

Osama wasn't worth going after.... I've heard that about 100 times since Sunday by every right winger wanting to diminish the event because it has made the president they hate so utterly look good for a moment or two.

Sure you could make the argument that bin Laden posed no threat. In the same way I could make the argument that with his network and his motivational and organizational skills, nestled in among the Pakistani military, he represents an even more dangerous threat today than he did in 2001.

And the Foxian mantra now that the revolutions pushing for democracy may not be good because we may not like the results.
 
I dis-agree.
As long as there is no war there, it will be good.

That's a pretty shallow view -- no war may mean preparing for war, or in this case, getting ready to do something worse than last time (like, set off a nuke they supposedly have, on a ship sailing wright by the Statue of Liberty).
 
Oh -- the article.

He cites an Iranian as on the side of peace -- the same Iranians who peddle death across the Middle East.

Iran isn't interested in peace, only in competitors to go away so it can dominate the region
 
well guys...

you have to ask the obvious question. IF Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden were not important after 9-11

why did we go to war in Afghanistan? Why did we go to war in Iraq?

because he mattered very much to Bush and the world. Old Tom Ridge would come out and say "we don't know how. we dont knpow where. But OSama is going to strike soon."

The fear that Bush wielded made the patriot act possible. We were told that OSama was such a threat that we had to give up some of our constitutional rights.

THe sick part is, The truth may just be that they DIDN'T think he was a threat and they used it to seize power.No matter how you slice this cake, its not pretty for Bush and the republicans. Its got to be one of the first times a white guy has tried to take responsibility for a black guy shooting someone. But the truth is the republicans were soft on terrorism and big on needless distracting wars.

The Democrats learned and Obama refocused the nation. Perhaps the Dems would have made the same mistakes if They held the white house when it happened. Who knows.

What we DO know is that Osama's freedom was a bleeding wound in the psyche of america and that wound is closing now that the bastard is dead.

Terrorists around the world are scared, and we have an exorbident amount of data taken from Osama himself. President Barack Obama is responsible for directing the cia to collaborate with the Dept of Defense and make it their number one priority.

HE DID and HE DID.
 
That's a pretty shallow view -- no war may mean preparing for war, or in this case, getting ready to do something worse than last time (like, set off a nuke they supposedly have, on a ship sailing wright by the Statue of Liberty).

I was talking about the future of the middle east and was talking about something else.
 
It's a victory worth celebrating now. But I suppose it is likely there still are plenty of people around the world that are willing to fill OBL's shoes. This could evolve into a situation where one side keeps trying to one-up the other. It's scary to think of what such evil people are likely already planning, and naive to think they aren't. But at least the latest demonstration of our intelligence provides hope.
 
I called it--- he's pro-Osama. We could even spin it the other way--- Osama shot his load in 2001 and, after Afghanistan, we had nothing to worry about. Those pro-Iraqi War fucks, like that mod there, just wanted to spend a bunch of money we don't have sending a bunch of younger generation folk to go die in its generation's Vietnam, all to go after Saddam Hussein for no good reason.

I'm going to take issue with you here.

This is exactly what that mod said in post #4 of this thread:

Bin Laden hadn't been able to mastermind much anything after 9-11. So, an argument could be made that he really didn't pose much of a threat.
He didn't say that he agreed with the assessment, but rather acknowledged that an argument could be made that Bin Laden really wasn't that much of a threat anymore.

That mod also went on to say (same post):

The terrorists are much more decentralized now. They can act in very low tech ways that can still cause havoc. Think shopping centers and schools.
Taking out Bin Laden, regardless of whatever threat that the man himself my have been against us, was a message to the rest of the terrorist groups out there that we will hunt you down and kill you, regardless of how long it takes.

So that's something, and I think anyone would be hard pressed to prove otherwise...unless of course they're just "haters" of anyone and anything that doesn't support an ideology that they've come to embrace. :cool:

That mod also stated in his three short paragraph post:

The revolutions going on in the Middle East may not be the good thing that many seem to think they are. The Muslim Brotherhood seems to be emerging as a leading political force in Egypt. More radical religious screwballs running countries is not exactly what we need.
American foreign policy, and our involvement in the Middle East for the past 60+ years; supporting "un-democratic" Monarchies (Saudi Arabia), toppling democratically elected governments (Iran to install a "Shah"), and our unprecedented "regime change" in Iraq, has always been about energy and our dependence upon oil.

Stating that openly and publicly acknowledging that, does that make an "apologist?" Does that make me "Un-American?"

Have I just given the so called "Fair and Balanced" conservatives reason to proclaim that I'm being neither fair or balanced?

Or *gasp* an "american hating libtard?" :eek:

In my view that mod and I are about as far apart when it comes to political "labels" as one can get.

But we're all Americans, and in my view we need to get past the political posturing and the fake outrage, and to now take a more SERIOUS look at how we (As Americans!) continue to execute Bush43's "war on terror."

And quickly before Lindsay Lohan goes back into rehab, Trump says something stupid, or Charlie Sean sobers up!

Bin Laden is dead, terrorism throughout the world is not. [-X

And as I linked to proof that he was pleased about Saddam's capture and/or death, he felt that the ends justified the means even though Saddam never ONCE posed a threat to us during Dubya's term and had nothing to do with 9/11. We had no business invading, tearing down, stomping on, and poorly reconstructing Iraq... but he bitches pathetically about a surgical strike team taking out the 9/11 mastermind.

Who are we talking about here?

That mod, the current GOP, the conservative media, or some defined ideology?

It really is transparent, those people, those disgusting, pro-terrorist people, who've gone out of their way to ruin the lives of subsequent generations more than Osama ever dreamed, I bet. I mean, that's not counting about the domestic (refuses to pay their own bills)/government (ie US Patriot Act, one example among so, so many) side--- the severe damage alone wrought by that one optional war is devastating.

Rather than ranting about it like some loon from the comfort of wherever you're posting from, why not come out of the closet and share with your family and friends the fallacy of supporting a party, and ideology and a foreign policy that's truly not in the best interest of not only their interests, but also our Republic?

Both politically, domestically, economically, and environmentally.

As opposed to continuing the divisive rhetoric that we continue to hear from both "sides?" :mad:

Don't you get it?
 
damned if i know

i know a little

not about this

and pretending i do

like some do

not my thing

glad he's dead

gotta deal with the pakistanis who take our money and don't blow us
 
damned if i know

i know a little

not about this

and pretending i do

like some do

not my thing

glad he's dead

gotta deal with the pakistanis who take our money and don't blow us

And the fact that we're still paying for "services not rendered" is inexcusable. ..|

It's been reported that the CIA didn't inform the Pakistani government about the operation to take out Bin Laden for fear that they might tip him off.

But in our current American Foreign policy we continue to support the Pakistani Government to the tune of BILLIONS so that the Islamic nut jobs don't take over, and therefore find themselves "nuclear ready." :rolleyes:
 
And the fact that we're still paying for "services not rendered" is inexcusable. ..|

It's been reported that the CIA didn't inform the Pakistani government about the operation to take out Bin Laden for fear that they might tip him off.

I know it's CE&P, but all seriousness aside, I'd love to have a Pakistani blowing me...
 
damned if i know

i know a little

not about this

and pretending i do

like some do

not my thing

glad he's dead

gotta deal with the pakistanis who take our money and don't blow us

This assumes that the Pakistanis did not inform the United States where OBL was in hiding, nor did the Pakistanis cooperate with the United States in executing the raid on OBLs lair.

We should be very wary of government statements (from the United States, and Pakistan) that appear to suggest that the Pakistan authorities were both ignorant of OBLs whereabouts, and non complicit in the raid on OBLs home.

The United States needs stability in Pakistan, as does the Pakistan government, and the people of Pakistan. It would be less than helpful for the stability, and survival of a weak Pakistan government were the Pakistan authorities seen to be cooperating so enthusiastically with the United States in the killing of OBL.
 
Back
Top