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Is there any Belami model who´s actually gay???
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Re: Is there any Bel Ami model who´s actually gay??
Actually Etienne Pauliac has been on escort sites, gay escort sites. He's probably providing escort service to both men and women. The bitch that he fucks IS his gf, go to cashforsextape, find his bio, u'll see his fav male body part is dick. Both him and his gf are escorts/porn stars. He is Bi, to my opinion.
Um, hmm, I ask this in all sincerity: who cares?
What a porn star does in his private life rarely influences whether I wish to fap to him (exceptions being guys in the news for beating up their GFs, little old ladies, murdering people). Apart from that, does it really matter?
Only thing that bothers me about Bel Ami's choice of models is the fact that, lately, it's just one long string of fake-tanned, anorexic, apathetic, quasipubescent gymbores
What a porn star does in his private life rarely influences whether I wish to fap to him (exceptions being guys in the news for beating up their GFs, little old ladies, murdering people). Apart from that, does it really matter?
Only thing that bothers me about Bel Ami's choice of models is the fact that, lately, it's just one long string of fake-tanned, anorexic, apathetic, quasipubescent gymbores
Most are probably bi to one degree or another. Ralph Woods is definitely 100% gay and maybe also Benjamin Bloom (it was claimed by George that Benjamin was one "of the few" models who didn't have to be coaxed into doing gay scenes). The straight guys appear only in the solo stuff; I keep waiting for certain ones to appear in sex scenes but they never show.
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Gay men are so delusional and sad; that's why they are always being taken on some kind of ride; being used and abused. Nobody sane believes that shit. It is too funny to take seriously. If you fuck a man and your penis stays rock hard, you're gay or bisexual. If you like being fucked by a man, you're gay or bisexual. I don't care who you date in your personal life, you're a fag.
If we took everything we saw on film to be correct, then many actors should be in prison for murder. It's hard to believe that people still argue about the whole gay for pay thing. I can imagine doing straight for pay if I really had to, it wouldn't be the most mortifying thing ever.
Then again, it's hard to speak for groups of people as a whole. Some people may just be doing it for money and be really good at acting, but some people may be gays in denial.
But who really cares, I don't know these people in real life.
Then again, it's hard to speak for groups of people as a whole. Some people may just be doing it for money and be really good at acting, but some people may be gays in denial.
But who really cares, I don't know these people in real life.
Gay men are delusional and sad? Doesn't really sound like any of the gay men I know. I'm sure there are many such men, but certainly the saddest, most delusional gay men are those who believe that gay men are "always being taken on some kind of ride."
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I do believe there are some, not many straight guys in porn. But I firmly believe that most are bisexual or just plain gay.
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Re: Is there any Bel Ami model who´s actually gay??
I agree with you. I know that some guys will do anything for money if they are desperate enough. But, real straight guys get very uncomfortable with other men even looking at their asses much less to let themselves get fucked, or to kiss other men, or suck dick. I could see a straight guy doing some gay stuff once or a couple times if he was really in a spot and need the money bad. But I don't think he'd be on camera every couple weeks in a gay orgy scene.
I don't believe that any of those Bel Ami guys are straight. Bi, maybe. I've heard that people in that culture don't think about sexuality in absolute terms the way we tend to in the US, and that a lot of them like to swing both ways. But the newer type of Bel Ami models has always looked pretty gay to me. They don't look naturally pretty and athletic like the Bel Ami models of the 1990s (now those boys were hot!). Some of these newer ones you can't really tell whether they're boys or just really skinny girls, and they just look completely artificial. I've never thought of them as anything BUT gay.
I agree with you. I know that some guys will do anything for money if they are desperate enough. But, real straight guys get very uncomfortable with other men even looking at their asses much less to let themselves get fucked, or to kiss other men, or suck dick. I could see a straight guy doing some gay stuff once or a couple times if he was really in a spot and need the money bad. But I don't think he'd be on camera every couple weeks in a gay orgy scene.
I don't believe that any of those Bel Ami guys are straight. Bi, maybe. I've heard that people in that culture don't think about sexuality in absolute terms the way we tend to in the US, and that a lot of them like to swing both ways. But the newer type of Bel Ami models has always looked pretty gay to me. They don't look naturally pretty and athletic like the Bel Ami models of the 1990s (now those boys were hot!). Some of these newer ones you can't really tell whether they're boys or just really skinny girls, and they just look completely artificial. I've never thought of them as anything BUT gay.
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demedja, i'd say you haven't looked at any of our recent models at all
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The reality of gay4pay has been debated ad nauseum on the Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher threads, only to reveal that there are those who accept it, and those who deny it. Neither side seems to be able to convince the other.
I used to be a denier, but I've (grudgingly) come to accept that most of the models I have been fantasizing about probably aren't reciprocating this dream, either for me or for other men.
In a statement which has been variously attributed to William Higgins and Chi Chi La Rue, this director and producer said he preferred to work with straight models because they took direction better and worked with whoever they were paired with. Being attracted to their partner was not at issue, nor were the acts which they were called upon to perform as these were meaningless to them.
I look at some of the frequent fliers, like Corbin Fisher's Dawson, and think that the fact he has been intimate with over sixty men on camera actually supports his essential straightness. These guys become inured to the sex and addicted to the easy money.
I suspect some producers (probably not Bel Ami) engage in predatory recruitment practices, hanging around courts and approaching guys behind on their child-support payments, facing big fines for driving intoxicated, etc -- guys in need of some fast cash. I look at the pale, skinny boys who model for some of the more disreputable European producers and suspect the payment may be food and a warm place to sleep for a few days.
With regard to Bel Ami and European porn in general, people have said that sexuality is more 'fluid' in Europe, and that Europeans are less hung-up on sexual labels. Based on my personal experience, that's a crock of shit. Straight Europeans are every bit as straight as their American counterparts.
While sexual orientation might not be more 'fluid', doing gay porn for considerable amounts of money has become more acceptable. Beats flipping burgers at McDonald's.
I used to be a denier, but I've (grudgingly) come to accept that most of the models I have been fantasizing about probably aren't reciprocating this dream, either for me or for other men.
In a statement which has been variously attributed to William Higgins and Chi Chi La Rue, this director and producer said he preferred to work with straight models because they took direction better and worked with whoever they were paired with. Being attracted to their partner was not at issue, nor were the acts which they were called upon to perform as these were meaningless to them.
I look at some of the frequent fliers, like Corbin Fisher's Dawson, and think that the fact he has been intimate with over sixty men on camera actually supports his essential straightness. These guys become inured to the sex and addicted to the easy money.
I suspect some producers (probably not Bel Ami) engage in predatory recruitment practices, hanging around courts and approaching guys behind on their child-support payments, facing big fines for driving intoxicated, etc -- guys in need of some fast cash. I look at the pale, skinny boys who model for some of the more disreputable European producers and suspect the payment may be food and a warm place to sleep for a few days.
With regard to Bel Ami and European porn in general, people have said that sexuality is more 'fluid' in Europe, and that Europeans are less hung-up on sexual labels. Based on my personal experience, that's a crock of shit. Straight Europeans are every bit as straight as their American counterparts.
While sexual orientation might not be more 'fluid', doing gay porn for considerable amounts of money has become more acceptable. Beats flipping burgers at McDonald's.
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For some reason linking to that site is forbidden on JUB.
Based on that name, If I were an aspiring Czech porn star, I might call myself "Jean St. Julian"
Re: Is there any Bel Ami model who´s actually gay??
Really, in this day and age we are still talking about a "gay look"? My suggestion to you and to all the other people who feel there is no such thing as a straight man doing gay porn, to read Conner Habib's last 2 blog posts. It explains the mind set and the process quite well. Also, Devon Hunter's "Know before you go" posts go into details on the same subject. (sorry, no links, JUB forum does not allow me to post URL's yet)
Shooting porn is a very stop and go process. Sometimes a "take" lasts 15 to 30 seconds, and a man, no matter how straight he is, can keep an erection for that long. Does he hate it? Who knows...but if he is a good enough performer he will not show it. Remember people, these guys are performers and the guys from Bel Ami go through a pretty intensive fucking-on-camera training. It's all about how they rationalize it.
It is quite possible if you manage to get into the right mindset to get and keep an erection and look like you are having the time of your life even if you are absolutely disgusted by the person you are fucking. I used to work as an escort back in the day and I had the dubious pleasure of servicing some guys that you stank so badly and had such a bad hygiene that you would not touch them with a stick (fortunately few in numbers opposed to good clients). Did I hate it? Yes, every second if it...and myself for having to put up with it...but I did what I was paid to do.
There is a chance that these guys describe themselves as straight because even though they may even enjoy sex (the prostate really doesn't care what you touch it with) with other guys on camera for money, as an exploration of own sexuality or of pleasures they don't get with women, they would never ever consider actually dating a guy or starting a relationship with. Would the term bisexual describe them better? Perhaps...but I think that just as various people don't get to deny your sexuality by saying: "You just haven't met the right woman yet"...neither should you define or enforce your own concept of sexuality onto others.
In the end, it really should not matter what people do in their own lives outside of camera!
...and yes, you are quite right in one respect. In the last year Bel Ami seems to have taken a lot of long strides towards the younger more feminine side of twink to the point where you might question not only sexuality but gender (fortunately we see them naked). I think this is one of the reasons I appreciate the earlier models that started in 2007-2009 and who are excellent performers (Dario, Dolph, Kurt, Marco, Vadim).
Really, in this day and age we are still talking about a "gay look"? My suggestion to you and to all the other people who feel there is no such thing as a straight man doing gay porn, to read Conner Habib's last 2 blog posts. It explains the mind set and the process quite well. Also, Devon Hunter's "Know before you go" posts go into details on the same subject. (sorry, no links, JUB forum does not allow me to post URL's yet)
Shooting porn is a very stop and go process. Sometimes a "take" lasts 15 to 30 seconds, and a man, no matter how straight he is, can keep an erection for that long. Does he hate it? Who knows...but if he is a good enough performer he will not show it. Remember people, these guys are performers and the guys from Bel Ami go through a pretty intensive fucking-on-camera training. It's all about how they rationalize it.
It is quite possible if you manage to get into the right mindset to get and keep an erection and look like you are having the time of your life even if you are absolutely disgusted by the person you are fucking. I used to work as an escort back in the day and I had the dubious pleasure of servicing some guys that you stank so badly and had such a bad hygiene that you would not touch them with a stick (fortunately few in numbers opposed to good clients). Did I hate it? Yes, every second if it...and myself for having to put up with it...but I did what I was paid to do.
There is a chance that these guys describe themselves as straight because even though they may even enjoy sex (the prostate really doesn't care what you touch it with) with other guys on camera for money, as an exploration of own sexuality or of pleasures they don't get with women, they would never ever consider actually dating a guy or starting a relationship with. Would the term bisexual describe them better? Perhaps...but I think that just as various people don't get to deny your sexuality by saying: "You just haven't met the right woman yet"...neither should you define or enforce your own concept of sexuality onto others.
In the end, it really should not matter what people do in their own lives outside of camera!
...and yes, you are quite right in one respect. In the last year Bel Ami seems to have taken a lot of long strides towards the younger more feminine side of twink to the point where you might question not only sexuality but gender (fortunately we see them naked). I think this is one of the reasons I appreciate the earlier models that started in 2007-2009 and who are excellent performers (Dario, Dolph, Kurt, Marco, Vadim).
Sexual behavior and sexual orientation are not the same thing.
Sexual behavior is about what you DO; sexual orientation is about how you FEEL.
I don't think we have the right to tell other people how they feel. If a model expresses that his orientation is straight even while he has cum dripping from his ass and mouth, fine. That's how he feels. For generations gay men fucked women, had children, and pretty much "acted straight." That didn't change their orientation. They could do the behavior, but it just wasn't fulfilling in the same way.
Haven't any of you ever watched _Jackass_? Those guys do all kinds of crazy things, including inserting stuff in their ass. Does that make them gay? Those bozos are a good example of how young heterosexual American men will do all kinds of silly things for money, or on a dare--generations of hazed frat boys can attest to that. It's just not that big a deal for them. It's a job--and it pays a lot better than working on an assembly line.
Sexual behavior is about what you DO; sexual orientation is about how you FEEL.
I don't think we have the right to tell other people how they feel. If a model expresses that his orientation is straight even while he has cum dripping from his ass and mouth, fine. That's how he feels. For generations gay men fucked women, had children, and pretty much "acted straight." That didn't change their orientation. They could do the behavior, but it just wasn't fulfilling in the same way.
Haven't any of you ever watched _Jackass_? Those guys do all kinds of crazy things, including inserting stuff in their ass. Does that make them gay? Those bozos are a good example of how young heterosexual American men will do all kinds of silly things for money, or on a dare--generations of hazed frat boys can attest to that. It's just not that big a deal for them. It's a job--and it pays a lot better than working on an assembly line.