Isaiah Washington speaks out.. Looks like RACE was an issue!!

[theFallenGod]

Thank you so much

Race wasn't a factor in his firing...everyone knows this except pisces_ken and Isiah...

Ignorance....pure total ignorance

 

[sonny10305]

He will be on Larry King on Monday night

 

[G-Lexington]

>>>Because I'm always pointing out the facts... did I hit a sweet spot in my post??

So say I start a post claiming that everybody in the cast of Lost (say) are extra-terrestrials.
And a bunch of people post back telling me it's BS.
...I must have struck a nerve, right? The truth hurts, don't it?

Lex

 

[falconfan]

>>>Because I'm always pointing out the facts... did I hit a sweet spot in my post??

So say I start a post claiming that everybody in the cast of Lost (say) are extra-terrestrials.
And a bunch of people post back telling me it's BS.
...I must have struck a nerve, right? The truth hurts, don't it?

Lex

Wait are you insinuating the cast of lost aren't extraterrestrials?
Must be because the producers are racist. That also must be the reason why Michael and Walt aren't in it anymore. Because the writers are racists against blacks and extraterrestrials.

 

[pisces_ken02]

If race was an issue I guess the Black producer isn't really black? and all the other minorities on the show must be white as well?

Even though all the other posts are ridiculous... mostly attacking an innocent person like me, which is indeed "pathetic". Resorting to insults and name calling. Need to realize that we don't live in some fucking utopia, deny it all you want, but race was an issue.. until you prove me wrong.. then I will apologize. Although I wonder if Patrick Dempsey would have been fired if he yelled "faggot" or did some of the things that Isaiah is being accused of? HELL NO!

Now regarding this idiotic post by thefallengod.. I don't care if the head writer was black, or the director, it doesn't matter. Her boss is white, even though she created the show. They can still fire her ass. So basically her opinion only matters just a little. And I can guarantee you she did not want to get rid of Isaiah, both are very close. Which proves my point

Thank you and goodbye!

 

[falconfan]

Even though all the other posts are ridiculous... mostly attacking an innocent person like me, which is indeed "pathetic". Resorting to insults and name calling. Need to realize that we don't live in some fucking utopia, deny it all you want, but race was an issue.. until you prove me wrong.. then I will apologize. Although I wonder if Patrick Dempsey would have been fired if he yelled "faggot" or did some of the things that Isaiah is being accused of? HELL NO!

Now regarding this idiotic post by thefallengod.. I don't care if the head writer was black, or the director, it doesn't matter. Her boss is white, even though she created the show. They can still fire her ass. So basically her opinion only matters just a little. And I can guarantee you she did not want to get rid of Isaiah, both are very close. Which proves my point

Thank you and goodbye!

The post don't attack people "like" you they attack you directly. All of them. You're just in your own little world. Saying that you're using facts and evidence or saying that you prove something doesn't mean the non-sense you're spouting actually adds up to facts and evidence. How am I suppose to know know that Issaiah and Shonda are close? Did you provide any source other than your rambling? Furthermore what does that prove? Just because you get along with someone doesn't mean you condone their actions. And OF COURSE they need to hold on to Shonda I hate to break it to you but it's the writing that's bringing in the viewership because anyone can fill out those one dimensional parts. It's the off the wall situations and hillarious dialouge that translate into ratings.

And yeah Dempsy would've been fired had he acted the exact same way as Washington. What makes you think he wouldn't... I mean other than you innate biases about US race relations.

 

[Aflute04]

True that! Don't link us all together ken. I am NOTHING like you. We might share the same skin color, but we don't think alike at all.

And yes, no one is attacking 'US' they are attacking YOU.

 

[bimmrboy]

Even though all the other posts are ridiculous... mostly attacking an innocent person like me, which is indeed "pathetic". Resorting to insults and name calling. Need to realize that we don't live in some fucking utopia, deny it all you want, but race was an issue.. until you prove me wrong.. then I will apologize. Although I wonder if Patrick Dempsey would have been fired if he yelled "faggot" or did some of the things that Isaiah is being accused of? HELL NO!

Now regarding this idiotic post by thefallengod.. I don't care if the head writer was black, or the director, it doesn't matter. Her boss is white, even though she created the show. They can still fire her ass. So basically her opinion only matters just a little. And I can guarantee you she did not want to get rid of Isaiah, both are very close. Which proves my point

Thank you and goodbye!

You need to open your eyes and face reality. There are more things that prove you wrong and not a single thing that proves you right in this situation. I almost feel sorry for you.

The only problem with Isaiah being fired was that it took so damn long, which ironically may actually have something to do with he's black. To use your own reference, if the roles had been reversed and Dempsey had done this he most likely would have been fired before he got back to his trailer.

Grow up and face the REAL facts.

 

[G-Lexington]

>>>race was an issue.. until you prove me wrong.. then I will apologize.

And how would you suggest we do that, exactly? You want some sort of documentation? Maybe we can pull up the minutes from a meeting, where they decide to let him go, and declare that they're doing this because he's divisive and a problem child, and not because of his race? Nah, that'd just be more lies by the Man. Perhaps we can reverse time, replace Isaiah with a white actor, have the white guy say "faggot", and see what happens?

As far as I'm concerned, race was a factor for one reason - because Isaiah finds it prudent to bring it up, hoping to get more people in his corner. If you want to continue believing any and all misfortunes that befall people of color are due to racism, there's not much anyone can do to dissuade you. But crying wolf doesn't help the cause any.

Lex

 

[StlKj]

Even though all the other posts are ridiculous... mostly attacking an innocent person like me, which is indeed "pathetic". Resorting to insults and name calling. Need to realize that we don't live in some fucking utopia, deny it all you want, but race was an issue.. until you prove me wrong.. then I will apologize. Although I wonder if Patrick Dempsey would have been fired if he yelled "faggot" or did some of the things that Isaiah is being accused of? HELL NO!

Now regarding this idiotic post by thefallengod.. I don't care if the head writer was black, or the director, it doesn't matter. Her boss is white, even though she created the show. They can still fire her ass. So basically her opinion only matters just a little. And I can guarantee you she did not want to get rid of Isaiah, both are very close. Which proves my point

Thank you and goodbye!

Not really sure how my post was ridiculous. If you do any kind of research online at all, you can track down other reported/alleged incidents where Washington crossed a line with co-workers and was either physically aggressive or even assaulted someone (the man who put a restraining order against him). While those are alleged incidents, we do know that he admitted to saying "faggot," then lied on television in front of a world audience, then came clean about lying.

You wanted proof about him? That's about all we're going to get since we're not behind the scenes. He has a history of physically assaulting his co-workers and has lied at least once--what makes you think he didn't do more behind the scenes that eventually added up and made him unbearable to work with?

When T.R. Knight went on Ellen, he did not slam Washington. When he was interviewed in The Advocate, he did not slam Washington. Washington is let go because of his behavior, and the first person he attacks, again, is Knight. Who here is the real aggressor?

If he is not guilty, then his behavior is certainly suspect, as is his intelligence if he thinks this is the best way to handle such a situation in public.

And while I've seen what many other people on here say about Reverend Sharpton, I do see that he has done a great deal of good as well. Your defense of a hot-headed spoiled actor as a victim of racism belittles the real victims of racism that Reverend Sharpton himself has championed in the past.

 

[falconfan]

Dogs understand vector calculus. They simply can't communicate it because they lack human vocal chords and apposable thumbs. Think that's ridiculous? too bad prove me wrong? You can't!?! I must be using facts and evidences.

 

[luminum]

And unless you prove us and every person who had a hand in firing Washington wrong and guilty of racism, you're still the one who's wrong.

 

[dr_beat]

Any lumberjacks on this forum? Someone needs to chop down the trees so pisces_ken02 can see the forest.

 

[pisces_ken02]

What I find so funny about this thread is that you guys are automatically ruling out racism... and the reason you are ruling out this is because of Isaiah Washington!!

 

[Spensed]

What I find so funny about this thread is that you guys are automatically ruling out racism... and the reason you are ruling out this is because of Isaiah Washington!!

I don't read anyone "automatically" ruling out racism.

People rule out racism by considering the facts that Washington was hired with no race problem and was fired because he was reportedly consistently late and confrontational on set; not because he happened to be black.

Crying wolf just makes it more difficult for genuine victims.

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

What I find so funny about this thread is that you guys are automatically ruling out racism... and the reason you are ruling out this is because of Isaiah Washington!!

There's time to play the race card, and times when it just doesn't apply. The more you use it when it doesn't apply, the more it just won't be listened to, so that when it does apply, no one will care.

Hmmm...I get it! What you are actually trying to do is infinitely devalue the card, so that it no longer applies, and thus allowing racists to ignore any claims of racism as "just another crying wolf!", and thus allowing them to continue in their racist ways unimpeded. After a while, any cries of racism, no matter how legitimate, will be ignored, as it's impossible to separate real racism from those that are just crying wolf! As it becomes harder to track the real racism, people just give up, and let the racists do as they will, thereby negating any of the victories gained by the struggle to gain civil rights!

The KKK salutes for your work, pisces_ken02!

[Too over the top?]

RG

 

[falconfan]

What I find so funny about this thread is that you guys are automatically ruling out racism... and the reason you are ruling out this is because of Isaiah Washington!!

There's a difference between "automatically ruling out racism" and just not automatically assuming it was involved. If there was an iota of evidence to suggest it then I'd consider it. But there isn't. Everyone has a race. The fact he happens to be black means nothing by itself.

Further more I find it funny that people that people just automatically rule out the idea that dogs understand vector calculus.

 

[sethjj1975]

Isaiah Washington is making it harder for people who are truly victims of discrimination. Just sad. You'd think by 2007 people of different minorities would have figured out how to back each other up, rather than tearing each other down. He earned this, and with the exception that he should have been fired immediately, is getting what he deserves.

 

[luminum]

What I find so funny about this thread is that you guys are automatically ruling out racism... and the reason you are ruling out this is because of Isaiah Washington!!

No one is "automatically" ruling out anything. Unlike you, the rest of us have taken the time to look at all the information available.

The facts are that Washington assaulted a fellow co-worker, there were reports of his tardiness on the set, that he was confrontational much of the time and therefore uncooperative, and to top all of that off, verbally assaulted another cast member with a slur. In terms of PR, he was caught again saying an innappropriate term and also initially denied it. Then, he was caught and had to publically announce that what he initially claimed was actually a lie and a cover up. He just reeked of bad press.

So what we can see is that he was not only a PR nightmare for the show right now for that entire fiasco and hadn't shown that he was a stable presence on the set, unpunctual and physically violent...it makes sense that he was fired.

If he had only went through that PR crap, but had never physically assaulted one of his co-workers and was always right on time (as much as anyone else) and wasn't irrationally confrontational, then I doubt he would have been fired. If he was only chronically late, he probably would have been fired anyway. If he was chronically confrontational, then he probably would have been fired. And if he only had physically assaulted a fellow cast member, he probably would have been fired anyway.

Everything that surrounded him and his time on Grey's Anatomy follows the codes and conduct of practically any job in the United States.

If you physically assault someone on the job, you get fired. If you're always late, you get fired. If you're always disruptively argumentative such that it effects the show, you get fired. And if not immediately fired, you get one strike and all of those add up to three strikes.

If NONE of those had happened, then we'd have a case where racism could be a very likely cause.

But the fact is that on top of being caught in a public relations nightmare because of his homophobic slur that brought him and the show bad press, and with the fact that he already had those three unprofessional strikes against him, it's very easy to see that the show had good cause to dismiss him, regardless of what his race is.

If there was a white guy who assaulted a co-worker, was always late, always made trouble on the set, and then got caught shooting off inappropriate language at other people and then lied about it and got caught, he'd get fucking canned too.

Like I said before, cast memebers on shows who were white and hispanic have been fired for driving drunk once, and they seemed to get less chances than Washington did, and they also had to jump through hoops.


I agree with the earlier statement that if anything, reverse racism was probably the reason why he didn't get fired as fast as another actor. Black male actors probably aren't as easy to find as white male actors.

Everything above was a serious deduction of the factors in play here, and that's what being logical and rational is all about. Youc an never rule out racism, but it's very very very unlikely in this situation because there is more than enough justifiable cause to fire anyone for doing everything that Washington did during his time on the set. That's how you can logically "rule out" racism.

In contrast, all you've done so far is automatically assume racism, while automatically ruling out any other possible reasons or wrong doing on Washington's part. That's how many of us can logically assume that you're pretty racist.

 

[kenzoid]

Although I wonder if Patrick Dempsey would have been fired if he yelled "faggot" or did some of the things that Isaiah is being accused of? HELL NO!

But we don't know that (fire the white actor) because the FACT is Patrick Dempsey has never yelled that word to his colleague. You just "race base" your assumption on something that didn't happen.