Islamist group's plan to kill 6 Jews of Europe

[naked gent]

When the Moors conquered the Iberian Peninsula, the people were basically happy to not be ruled by the Visigoths anymore.

Well I guess it happened that way but I'll always remember my high school history teacher joking that the Spanish invited the Moors in to liberate them and they stayed for 700 yrs.

Israel got started at first by Jews coming peacefully and buying land.

Whether the reaction was positive isn't terribly relevant, because the Jews came legitimately, acquired land legitimately, defended themselves legitimately, and trusted a promise from the international community.

Acquisition of property by mutual agreement is a right common to all -- the people didn't have to sell to the Jews, but they did.

If you're saying that if a group of people purchase enough land that they can then declare themselves a country good luck with that theory.

I'm guessing that to an Arab your assumption that the British had any authority to give anything to anybody would be disputed.

You really seem to be smoking something illegal. Come to Israel, we'll teach you how our country was made. How often do I have to tell Americans, you don't have to be apologetics for us!!!!! Transfer was official policy of the Zionist ideology from day one, our own military's archives dispute everything you said above. Israel doesn't need your fabricated history to gain legitimacy, Israel is here to stay, with or without anybody's acceptance. Land acquired through purchase makes a very small percentage of what became Israel.

Land belongs to those who can defend it. Title to the land may be nice but historically beside the point. Had the Arabs been viewed as a stronger, more unified force or even had some recent history of ruling themselves perhaps their land wouldn't have been ripe for the picking.......although like the American Indian they were sparsely populated in the land they called their own.

 

[naked gent]

Anti-semitism (not just anti-Zionism) is rife in the Muslim Middle East. Just for starters, how about all those people who believe that the Jews were responsible for 9/11? And Ahmedinejad's Holocaust-denying statements? Or the Saudi textbooks full of anti-semitic bilge?

However true that may or may not be the center of this dispute is land and I don't believe the arabs would be reacting any differently if christians had declared a state there as opposed to the jews.

The Vietnamese didn't like the French either does that make them anti-French?

Maybe I'm wrong but to me saying anti-semitism is at the root of the problem is akin to saying if anyone else had declared a country the arabs wouldn't complain and I don't believe that.

The rhetoric may be anti-semitic but thats the smoke not the fire.

 

[Glafna]

Today Taliban is our enemy, but back in the day Taliban was on our side because they needed U.S. help and weapons to fight Soviet Invasion and U.S. used Taliban as a proxy against Soviets in the Cold War.

Your right about one thing, the Taliban was a proxy against the Soviets, but the US government has always been afraid of socialism and communism, and have strived hard to limit it's expansion, such as with Vietnam and Korea(although yes, there were also providing aid to allies) The Taliban was left high and dry AFTER they defeated the Russians, and the US caused the problem it has today by not providing aid when they should have.

 

[Glafna]

That's correct, but as a matter of usage the term "anti-semitic" only refers to Jews. You could say "anti-Jewish" if you prefer, but "anti-Israeli" is not the same thing.

Actually, anti-Israel is probably the most accurate statement. For centuries, in many Arab countries, the Jews and the Muslims lived in relative peace(unlike in Christian Europe, where it was more-or-less convert or die), even in the Koran, it identifies the worlds 3 major religions as the "People of the Book" which shows a level of respect towards the Jewish nation, otherwise they would have been mentioned in a purely negative manner or not mentioned at all.

It's the fact that the Israeli's have claimed what is considered the "Holy Land" for themselves, despite what pretty much the whole of the Middle East had to say at the time.

Honestly, if the entire region was torn down centuries ago and somehow forgotten, I have the feeling that we wouldn't be dealing with this big a problem today.

 

[Kulindahr]

Well I guess it happened that way but I'll always remember my high school history teacher joking that the Spanish invited the Moors in to liberate them and they stayed for 700 yrs.

Which reminds me -- when the Romans first came to (old) Israel, the Jews welcomed them.
Little did they know that the legions had no intention of going home again once they'd "saved" the Jews.

If you're saying that if a group of people purchase enough land that they can then declare themselves a country good luck with that theory.

I didn't even suggest that.
Their starting off by buying land showed that they didn't mean to just drive people out.

I'm guessing that to an Arab your assumption that the British had any authority to give anything to anybody would be disputed.

I didn't say that, either. The British were acting for the international community... and they botched it.

 

[Kulindahr]

However true that may or may not be the center of this dispute is land and I don't believe the arabs would be reacting any differently if christians had declared a state there as opposed to the jews.

The Vietnamese didn't like the French either does that make them anti-French?

Maybe I'm wrong but to me saying anti-semitism is at the root of the problem is akin to saying if anyone else had declared a country the arabs wouldn't complain and I don't believe that.

The rhetoric may be anti-semitic but thats the smoke not the fire.

No, because the Arab Nazi Brigade (I think I have the name right) brought back all the anti-Jewish ideas from the Third Reich. That's where Hamas gets their determination to shed the blood of every Jew on the planet.

 

[Kulindahr]

You can't make this shit up. lol Iran doing Israel a favor. The Mullah is not bad after all.

Okay, what's the motive? Trying to look nice for the West?

 

[Kulindahr]

If Israel pursues operations in Gaza, they should blow the fence on the Egyptian border, and give refugees a way out. Taking out the barbarians hooting civilians so they can't get out would be simple justice.

 

[Kulindahr]

I find it disgusting that Egypt, which helped create the situation, can't bow to "Allah the merciful" and let in their brethren.

It's more and more a religion of hate.

 

[kallipolis]

Brave people are so often viewed, as an aberration, or carbuncle on the face of self righteous, patriotism.

The following commentary does help us appreciate, that courageous people can still be discovered, facing off the scurrilous image that masquerades as patriotism:

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In an attempt to help Israelis understand their circumstances, The Economist's Jerusalem correspondent, Gideon Lichfield, made a guest appearance in Ha'aretz to address a question frequently posed to him by Israelis - "Why isn't Israel winning the PR war?"

Assuring readers that it was not because of any slouching by Israel's hasbara, or public advocacy army, Lichfield concluded: "When the question the world is asking is not 'Who's right?' but 'What works?' the consistent impression Israel leaves is that it kills people because, at best, it simply doesn't have any better ideas; and at worst, because some Israeli leader is trying to get the upper hand on one of his or her rivals."

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israels-weeklong-turning-point/2009/01/09/1231004287018.html

 

[JayHawk]

How fucking amusing. The overwhelmed always have their lackies standing by to defend their every move.

War is nasty dirty shit. If your a coward that fights wars behind women and children and then use the footage of their deaths to gain favor of simpleminded idiots then you are lower than cockroach shit. If your not even good enough to be lower than cockroach shit then you must defend them with words.

So i will use the tactic of the lefty loons and demand that each of you people who has a opinion favorable to Hezbollah or Hamas get your green cotton headband and bring the women and children in your life to get behind and fight for the cause. Go on....when are ya joining gods army?

 

[Kulindahr]

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In an attempt to help Israelis understand their circumstances, The Economist's Jerusalem correspondent, Gideon Lichfield, made a guest appearance in Ha'aretz to address a question frequently posed to him by Israelis - "Why isn't Israel winning the PR war?"

Assuring readers that it was not because of any slouching by Israel's hasbara, or public advocacy army, Lichfield concluded: "When the question the world is asking is not 'Who's right?' but 'What works?' the consistent impression Israel leaves is that it kills people because, at best, it simply doesn't have any better ideas; and at worst, because some Israeli leader is trying to get the upper hand on one of his or her rivals."

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israels-weeklong-turning-point/2009/01/09/1231004287018.html

That's an interesting bit of thought. People these days are quite less taken with right and wrong than with what works.