Israeli Parliament Adopts Racist Marriage Laws

[Homoaffectional]

http://www.zmag.org/Sustainers/Content/2003-08/13beal.cfm

Components of the law also include the following:
• Palestinians will be excluded from obtaining citizenship or residency. Anyone else who marries an Israeli will be entitled to Israeli citizenship.
• Israeli Arabs

anyone?other than pals?

I *DARE* critics of Jimmy Carter's anti-apartheid book about Israel to come back and defend these heinous Alabama/South Africa like policies now, and go back and call him what they called him again. Officious cunts...

 

[playwithmemonkey]

It's called self-preservation.

 

[Andreus]

as so the all white government of south africa said over and over again

ehh

this is nothing new

mideastern nations all do this

in saudi arabia i believe you have to be either related to the house of saud or be albe to prove that your family lived there for over a hundred years

Kuwait is even worse

in an area dominated by separation of all the semitic tribes, israel is just one more of the many apartied nations there

but make no mistake

that is what they are

 

[JayHawk]

Andreus I love it when you supply wisdom out of knowledge I could not have.

Knowing other nations in the region do the same thing does not make it less hideous a breach of freedom. But it does make sense when everyone else is legally preserving there tribal identities (per se)

 

[Lostlover]

as so the all white government of south africa said over and over again

ehh

this is nothing new

mideastern nations all do this

in saudi arabia i believe you have to be either related to the house of saud or be albe to prove that your family lived there for over a hundred years

Kuwait is even worse

in an area dominated by separation of all the semitic tribes, israel is just one more of the many apartied nations there

but make no mistake

that is what they are

Well said. Saudi Arabia and even Christianity does it. Telling their people who and who not to marry.

I guess it only becomes offensive when an Israeli does it.

With that irony pointed out, I believe any one should marry who he or she wants. But I also know Israel's non-racist goal... to preserve Jewish people surrounded by "others".

 

[Andreus]

thats not a racist goal?

goodness

thanks for agreeing with me

do you realize that i said they are all being racist in the same way?

ALL is all inclusive

 

[JayHawk]

What they are doing is racist, as a whole, the "why" they are using to justify it appears non racist. Semantics really.

 

[Andreus]

they are all trying to preserve bloodlines in an area overwhelmed with refugees. they are concerned about the integrity of their cultural identity

that is the sad truth

 

[Lostlover]

thats not a racist goal?

goodness

thanks for agreeing with me

do you realize that i said they are all being racist in the same way?

ALL is all inclusive

Well if you consider the Jews (as in religion, not race) enacting laws to keep Israel Jewish as racist... I guess it's your choice. But race and religion aren't one in the same in my book.

A) There are Arab (race) Jews (religion). Can't Arab Jews marry other Semites?

 

[Nishin]

^ Actually there are no races but one... all are homo sapiens sapiens...

 

[Kulindahr]

^ Actually there are no races but one... all are homo sapiens sapiens...

Except some are more sapiens than others.....

 

[Homoaffectional]

as so the all white government of south africa said over and over again

ehh

this is nothing new

mideastern nations all do this

Perhaps, but isn't Israel the "only" democracy (a lying meme they often like to repeat; ever heard of Turkey??) in that region, the outpost of freedom and liberty in the Middle East, the one we're pumping more than $3 billion worth of aid, including weapons (much of which probably goes into nukes, which we're excoriating Iran for). If Israel continues to be paraded around as the pride of the Middle East, and the US' wonderful ally, it clearly needs to be held to a different standard. Now maybe if the brainwashing media in this country would acknowledge that others in the Middle East have elections and some, like Turkey, have democracies that are just as legitimate as Israel's, your "This is nothing new"; "mideastern nations all do this" might fly...

 

[Homoaffectional]

Well said. Saudi Arabia and even Christianity does it. Telling their people who and who not to marry.

I guess it only becomes offensive when an Israeli does it.

BULLSHIT. TOTAL, facetious BULLSHIT. This has nothing to do with what people do by choice, or what they do because of their religion, it has to do with what laws they implement. This is a situation where they are actually seeking to *DENY* citizenship to Arabs that marry Israelis and trying to deny especially voting rights. And no, it's not just offensive when Israel (NOTE: I said Israel, not "an Israeli") implements an official policy, it's also offensive when the US has anti-interracial marrying laws, it's offensive when South Africa does it, India's caste system is offensive to me, and obviously, any law banning same-sex marriage is offensive to me, whichever country it happens to be in. It just happens that criticizing all those other countries happen to be relatively safe to do.

Saudi Arabia goes as far as to allow Saudi citizens to marry Americans. It is legal there. This will not be the case if Israel passes this law (assuming it hasn't already)

And no Christian country I know does this sort of thing, codifying zenophobic, apartheid like-statues like this into federal law, although their might be some obsecure Baltic state. I'm not sure if Kosovo/Yuogslavia/Serbia does things like what Israel is doing, but if they did, I would find it offensive as well.

This is one of the most facetious postings I've ever had the misfortune to read.
I notice this poster didn't bother to reply to this posting at all, until someone cited the connection between the original post and Jimmy Carter's book, the one that he was called such a 'racist' for writing.

Some people will fall off a cliff defending certain things...

 

[Kulindahr]

This has to be the result of some sort of political deals between parties -- do this for us; we'll do that for you.
I can see the reasoning of wanting to protect their 'race', but this goes into the realm of the ridiculous, even if others in the region do it, for whatever reasons.

 

[kallipolis]

Homoaffectional

I applaud your common sense analysis and the humanity that it reveals in your thinking. When the Israeli state institutionalises racist policies, then we are faced with the reality that characterised so much of Hitler's gruesome thinking. It is indeed ironic that such inhumane practices are being implemented by the Jewish state of Israel.

 

[Lostlover]

BULLSHIT. TOTAL, facetious BULLSHIT. This has nothing to do with what people do by choice, or what they do because of their religion, it has to do with what laws they implement. This is a situation where they are actually seeking to *DENY* citizenship to Arabs that marry Israelis and trying to deny especially voting rights. And no, it's not just offensive when Israel (NOTE: I said Israel, not "an Israeli") implements an official policy, it's also offensive when the US has anti-interracial marrying laws, it's offensive when South Africa does it, India's caste system is offensive to me, and obviously, any law banning same-sex marriage is offensive to me, whichever country it happens to be in. It just happens that criticizing all those other countries happen to be relatively safe to do.

Saudi Arabia goes as far as to allow Saudi citizens to marry Americans. It is legal there. This will not be the case if Israel passes this law (assuming it hasn't already)

And no Christian country I know does this sort of thing, codifying zenophobic, apartheid like-statues like this into federal law, although their might be some obsecure Baltic state. I'm not sure if Kosovo/Yuogslavia/Serbia does things like what Israel is doing, but if they did, I would find it offensive as well.

This is one of the most facetious postings I've ever had the misfortune to read.
I notice this poster didn't bother to reply to this posting at all, until someone cited the connection between the original post and Jimmy Carter's book, the one that he was called such a 'racist' for writing.

Some people will fall off a cliff defending certain things...

Are you reading what you're write or just rambling? Every one and their mother knows you have to be a muslim to be a Saudi.

And Saudi Arabia denies citizenship to non-Muslims which is the SAME thing you're ridiculing Israel for doing. Hypocrisy in it's clearest form.

Get a breath of fresh air. Saudi Arabia is NOT a progressive country. Are you a member of the Saudi royal family? (Hey, Saudi Arabia allows their citizens to marry Americans. Wow... very progressive )

Open a book every now and then.

And I say again, I guess it only becomes a problem when Israel does it.

Finally, When did I ever say a Christian country does it? Never said it. I did say Christianity as in the Bible promotes segregation in marriages, however. Maybe quote me next time before you start seeing red.

Because you were so inaccurate and irrational and seeing things I didn't post, you're joining Nishin on my ignore list. All it took was one bad post.

I can understand if someone has their facts wrong, but to talk about a topic as if you have a PhD on the subject and actually know nothing about it is another thing.

Thank god for the ignore button.

 

[Kulindahr]

^ You're right.

I called my mother to ask, and she does know.

What I don't get is why people don't comprehend Israel's situation: a nation with portions a high-power rifle bullet can cross, surrounded by enemies who outnumber it immensely, many of them sworn to eliminate every Israeli citizen, continually under attack by their own smaller versions of 9/11.
This measure could come from fear, the fear of being eliminated as a people. It's something the Native Americans might have done, or anyone at all with enemies who think of genocide as God's Will.
Or it could come from religious fervor -- as I suggested before, a political deal.

I'm not saying I like the policy, but I can understand it. It's too bad that they live in a region where such a thing would even have to be contemplated.


Now, to react as a liberal... why are we blaming Israel? The imperialist genocidal villains arrayed against them drove them to this!
Did I get that logic right?

 

[Lostlover]

^ You're right.

I called my mother to ask, and she does know.

What I don't get is why people don't comprehend Israel's situation: a nation with portions a high-power rifle bullet can cross, surrounded by enemies who outnumber it immensely, many of them sworn to eliminate every Israeli citizen, continually under attack by their own smaller versions of 9/11.
This measure could come from fear, the fear of being eliminated as a people. It's something the Native Americans might have done, or anyone at all with enemies who think of genocide as God's Will.
Or it could come from religious fervor -- as I suggested before, a political deal.

I'm not saying I like the policy, but I can understand it. It's too bad that they live in a region where such a thing would even have to be contemplated.


Now, to react as a liberal... why are we blaming Israel? The imperialist genocidal villains arrayed against them drove them to this!
Did I get that logic right?

That's what I was saying. I don't like it but I understand it. Kind of like Native Americans having Native American only scholarships and tribal benefits.

 

[Homoaffectional]

Homoaffectional

I applaud your common sense analysis and the humanity that it reveals in your thinking. When the Israeli state institutionalises racist policies, then we are faced with the reality that characterised so much of Hitler's gruesome thinking. It is indeed ironic that such inhumane practices are being implemented by the Jewish state of Israel.

Thanks much, Kallipolis.

 

[Irish Queer]

Well there is another "nazi" policy by this government. They really need to take a long hard look before most Palestinians are rounded up into Consentration Camps Oh wait that happened is called Gazza and the West Bank. The US really needs to look at Allies, Saddam, Bin Ladden Isreali, the state not the people.