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Israeli Parliament Adopts Racist Marriage Laws

Well there is another "nazi" policy by this government. They really need to take a long hard look before most Palestinians are rounded up into Consentration Camps Oh wait that happened is called Gazza and the West Bank. The US really needs to look at Allies, Saddam, Bin Ladden Isreali, the state not the people.

Don't blame Gaza on Israel -- that situation was created by the Arabs who thought they could do genocide and when they couldn't, abandoned people who had trusted them.
It amazes me how someone can try to mug someone and then blame the problems that creates on their victim.
 
I understand your "mug" analogy.

But some can argue that it wasn't Israel's land to "mug" in the first place.

I say Germany should solve the Middle East crisis. If it wasn't for Hitler, there would be no Israel.
 
Israel didn't "mug" it, the Jews were there peacefully, acquiring land lawfully, when the Arabs 'round about decided to use a little violence to put a stop to it.

The Jews just defended themselves -- in spite of the fact that the PTBs had decreed they couldn't even have weapons for self-defense, they did a pretty good job!


I like the Germany idea -- maybe they could start buying nice homes for 'Palestinians' in Jordan, Syria, etc., and empty the West Bank that way.
 
Well, there was no Israel before the Holocaust.

And they made it Israel off of Arab land. --> Wasn't there land to begin with in the beginning.
 
There was a Jewish home land before the Holocaust, called the State of Palestine.

Most of the Jewish immigration into Palestine occured before the beginning of the Holocaust. There were Jews living in Palestine when it was still an Ottoman territory.
Jewish immigration into British administered Palestine, started in 1919.
 
Well, there was no Israel before the Holocaust.

And they made it Israel off of Arab land. --> Wasn't there land to begin with in the beginning.

They obtained it legally -- it was their land, purchased and with title. No Jew forcibly displaced any Arabs until the Arabs attacked first, and the only Arabs they displaced then were the ones fighting them, or who ran away. The ones who trusted their Jewish neighbors got Israeli citizenship.

It's a thing called the right of self-determination. The Arabs tried to violate it by attempting to kill all the Palestinian Jews; the Jews stood up for it, and a lot of their Palestinian Arab neighbors stood by them. The Arabs who packed up and left at the behest of the genocidal invaders exercised theirs, too -- they joined a conspiracy to commit genocide, and forfeited their right to that land. They determined to live somewhere else, expecting to get wealth stolen from their peaceful Jewish former neighbors.

All Israel belongs to the Jews by virtue of self-defense, several times over. If there were justice, all the Arabs who cooperated with the invaders by getting out of their way as requested would have been rounded up and executed for conspiracy to commit genocide, along with all the Arab invaders and all their leaders.
 
There was a Jewish home land before the Holocaust, called the State of Palestine.

Most of the Jewish immigration into Palestine occured before the beginning of the Holocaust. There were Jews living in Palestine when it was still an Ottoman territory.
Jewish immigration into British administered Palestine, started in 1919.

Historically, the Jews never gave up their homeland. Rome walked all over it, and others after them, but determined Jews stuck to it. So their claim never lapsed. Just because it was invaded and they were persecuted doesn't remove the title.
Why do we recognize that with the Native Americans (belatedly, unevenly), but not with Israel?
 
History continues to elude you, Lostlover.

It seems like the "Two Musketeers", Kuhlindahr and LostLover have permeated this thread with their weirdness. I can't read what they're typing, because I've learned not to waste my time w/either, but even though I've decided this message board has zero influence on Israeli policy, it might have some miniscule affect on American public opinion on such policy, so I applaud you for expending time and effort for this, Kalliopolis. It can feel like reaching into a clogged sewer main and clearing it out, only to have it clogged up again with the next facetious "response". God bless, Kallipolis.
 
It seems like the "Two Musketeers", Kuhlindahr and LostLover have permeated this thread with their weirdness. I can't read what they're typing, because I've learned not to waste my time w/either, but even though I've decided this message board has zero influence on Israeli policy, it might have some miniscule affect on American public opinion on such policy, so I applaud you for expending time and effort for this, Kalliopolis. It can feel like reaching into a clogged sewer main and clearing it out, only to have it clogged up again with the next facetious "response". God bless, Kallipolis.

Immaturity strikes again.
Too bad homoaff can't read our posts, because he'd be getting an education. Facts are a strange thing... using "ignore" to avoid them is a very liberal-like thing, trying to make the world what you believe it should be by ignoring bad things --
Like liberals consistently ignore the fact that Israel was the people set on by aggressors, and has done nothing but try to survive.
 
this thread seems hell bent on making israel out to me more or less than just another arabic state

it is not

they are no better or worse than the others.. their policies are all similar

israel should not be held to a higher standard than any other nation over there in the neighborhood

in some of those the nations christians arent allowed much less marriage to them, so i cant omagine what the fuss is about

get real guys

this is a thinly veiled anti zionist thread
 
this is a thinly veiled anti zionist thread

Hmmm... it's kinda telling that you used the phrase 'zionist' instead of. 'semitic'. Everyone feels the need to deny that they are anti-semitic. When did we graduate from 'anti-semitic' to 'anti-zionist', anyway? At least anti-semitic is somewhat clearly defined and is universally condemned. Zionism, meanwhile, isn't universally considered a good thing, especially depending on how far 'zionism' extends, and what it gives policy makers in Israel the right to do to others. And if it leads to policies that were the intial topic of this thread, then yes, I'm *totally* against those. If that makes me "anti-zionist" (whatever that means), then so be it.
 
because arabs and muslims consider themselves to be semites

this slander peice seems to be aimed at the government of one of the semitic peoples... the israelis

thats what we call anti zionists

what are you implying?

dont be coy
 
because arabs and muslims consider themselves to be semites

Indeed. I'm glad you are aware of that, but let's not be disingenuous, and pretend that whenever an accusation of being an 'anti-semite' is reared, that it is ever referred to as slander/a smear against Arabs or Muslims. That is totally off the cuff, and you know it, Andreus. Muslims have been forced to create their own word -- "Islamophobia". Arabs, meanwhile, don't have a word of their own. They have to find another existing word or use a phrase like "defamation of Arabs" or "anti-Arab" or something.

If you are referring to anything that you feel is a slam against Jews or Israelis, then the word "anti-semitic" will do. In fact, even the ADL doesn't use the word "anti-zionist". And for once, I don't think this thread will give them any new ideas.

No government is, nor should be beyond criticism, especially when they institute an apartheid like policy. If I wanted to, I could say criticism of the policies of the nation of Zimbabwe is "pro-apartheid" or racist, but you know how that would come off as well.

There is already a word that is meant to intimidate legitimate critics of some of Israel's more outlandish policies and include them in with those who say hateful, stupid things like "Israel should be driven into the sea" or "Israel should be wiped off the map", who should rightfully be repudiated -- that word is "anti-semitic"; if only it was only used for those who deserve it -- the Stormfront or the David Duke types. The last major figure to say something like "Israel should be wiped off the map" would be the president of Iran, which is costing him support in his own country, which goes to say a lot about people who think that a majority of Iranians share his position. The word "anti-semitic" is frequently used to scare the political hell out of people, and that is simply sad. The hostile reaction to Jimmy Carter's book was another example of it. Once you call someone like Jimmy Carter "racist", then sorry, but I'm drawing the line. I won't let you or anyone else silence me by creating another such word like "anti-Zionist" that is simply meant to shut people up. It's the same kind of thing as if excoriating the right wing policies or assertions like the recent outlandish statement saying that gays should be changed in the womb is an "attack on Christians" or "attack on people's faith" or something.

Not even all Jews support zionism, so again, I'm going to draw the line and oppose this crap right here and now, Andreus.

By the way, last time I checked, no other country's government had a specific word to describe 'slander' aimed at it, specifically. It's literally unheard of. I will never support any such mandate for any single government -- EVER. Government, by definition, has power, and power ALWAYS corrupts. I don't care if you are a government predominantly composed of Jewish legislators, Muslim legislators, or Christian legislators. If you think I haven't criticized Muslim or Christian governments, Western or Eastern governments, Democrats or Republicans or Greens or Libertarians or Constitutions, conservatives, moderates or liberals, gays, straights, or biffectionals, blacks or whites or Asians or Latinos or Native Americans, the rich or the poor, communists or socialists or capitalists (all who've been part of governments throughout history), then you don't know much about me at all, but fortunately for you, I won't shy away from continuing to speak enough for you to get to know me simply because you deign to call me an 'anti-zionist' (I'm still not even clear of what that actually means, because I know you have not defined it correctly other than your personal interpretation of what the hell it's supposed to be mean, because at this point in time, that's what suits your own personal purposes; perhaps it would best for someone to define the word "zionist", sans prefix, before they presume to attach the 'anti' to it). At the very least I can respect you for having the guts to be honest about what you're doing, so I can totally tell you how what you are trying to do, basically intimdate me and preventing me from criticizing a pretty messed-up action of a *government*, and somehow make it off-limits will not be tolerated by me. Originally, I was going to say ", nor by many others", but you might try to fill in the blanks and name who you mean by "many others" and try to misrepresent who I meant by "many others", so I decided to make it clear that speaking for myself is enough. It seems that the alleged "smears" are not one-sided in this debate.

Hope that wasn't too 'coy' for you.
 
you are entitled to your opinion

i happen to think its kind of nutty and prejudiced

after considering it, i have concluded it is entirely incorrect, but that is also just my opinion

good luck with that anti zionist agenda of yours, though
 
you are entitled to your opinion

That is the first thing you have said that has any sort of legitimacy to it, and the second would be realizing that you're only one person, and you yourself carry your own opinion; it's sad that you realize that you are not perfect, nor are you yourself always correct. If you could realize that, then you might actually get somewhere in this 'argument'

It's sad, though, that you came so close to it in this very same posting, and then messed up right after that.


after considering it, i have concluded it is entirely incorrect, but that is also just my opinion

It would have been good if you had left it like that, with some modicum of mutual respect, but instead you had to add in another petty barb --

good luck with that --- *snipped the bullshit term* --- agenda of yours, though


Nope, good luck w/my *human rights* "agenda" of mine. The same one that shrugs off your disappointing crap about the fact that gay rights bills will never pass in the US Congress, 'not in a million years'... it simply 'won't happen'.

But it's OK; I won't need 'luck' with my *human rights* agenda because unlike you, I don't make blanket statements, and expect them to carry the day. I instead do my research to make sure I know what I'm talking about before I open my mouth. Like when I correctly predicted that the new Democratic-led Congress would *still* not produce and stem cell bills would not produce enough votes for an override, contrary to your assertions.

In this case, meanwhile, many members of the Israeli Knesset have themselves conceded that this "law" is racist, and although I don't think that there will be enough of them to repeal this thing, I *DO* have faith that the Israeli Supreme Court, which has always valued human rights despite the intense amounts of pressure it faces on both sides, will strike down this nutty and prejudiced law (notice how anyone can use this phrase, taking the power away from your attempt to use it to somehow silence me?).

Doing anything about this particular law, nor obsessing over the 'Israeli government' as you try to assert that I do, is not in my 'agenda', nor need it to be. My only goal is to repudate some of the nutty and prejudiced stuff that is spewed onto this board, and I will. And when the Israeli Supreme Court strikes this law down, perhaps then you will see that as long as people are willing to speak out, then the true forms of nuttiness and prejudiced will be exposed and defeated as the "entirely incorrect" (there goes another one) initiatives that they are, and strange phrases typed on JUB like 'anti-zionist', that aren't worth the bandwidth they take up, won't be employed in disingenuous and facetious fashions. And thank the powers that be for that.
 
Immaturity strikes again.
Too bad homoaff can't read our posts, because he'd be getting an education. Facts are a strange thing... using "ignore" to avoid them is a very liberal-like thing, trying to make the world what you believe it should be by ignoring bad things --
Like liberals consistently ignore the fact that Israel was the people set on by aggressors, and has done nothing but try to survive.

Wait, a minute Kulindahr... he got on Israel's case for Israel isolating Muslims while at the same time extolling the virtues of the Saudi regime.

He knows he goofed and hasn't said any thing.

Once again, Saudi Arabia limits citizenship to Muslims. When Israel tries to do the same thing (but for self preservation this time), some thing is terribly wrong!

And I say again, only when Israel does something will it officially become illegal or amoral.
 
He knows he goofed?
I doubt it -- he's throwing more of the same stuff at Andreus.

Neither of them seem to be trying to discuss it quite rationally, though; there's a lot of anger going back and forth here. I think Andreus has a better command of what language is for, though -- hmo treats it mostly as 'affectional' (affective).

Examining the law on its merits, yes, it's racist.
Examining it in regional context, it's about on par.
Examining it in Israel's security context, it's understandable... though I'm not sure how helpful.
Examining it in Israel's religious-political context, it may just be rhetoric for someone's followers, sort of like the marriage amendment the ReligioPublicans pushed.
 
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