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It's getting smaller all the time, but does it matter?

Precisely.

I have no patience for people who don't know basic terms like ganache or promulgate but then parade their ignorance by essentially mocking the speaker.

It used to be that people would ask someone to clarify what a term meant...as in, "I'm not really familiar with baking terms...what is ganache?" and then learn something. Or sneak away and crack the dictionary to learn what promulgate means.

Speaking down to an audience at work only hastens the dumbing down of everything.

Although I do believe that the fall is inevitable...we will be only communicating in glyphs and single syllable words by the end of this century.
 
rareboy said:
Speaking down to an audience at work only hastens the dumbing down of everything.
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The problem I see with this is that a poor vocabulary is one of many symptoms of the dumbing down of the population in general. I read somewhere that kids are reading less and less these days. Why? The idea of technology promises access to almost all the information there is to absorb, but the reality of the internet squashes that potential with its twits and ads and celebrity-bake offs. Since hatred sprouts easily from ignorance, I believe ignorance is a greater evil.

If things in America are going to get better, they're going to have to get much worse first. It's nice to have a good reason to be glad I'm not 20 years old.
 
I can remember one of my more sarcastic Nephews making fun of me for the way I pronounced 'Penne' pasta. He did his limp wristed routine and laughed.

I gave him a kick in the butt and he shut up.

BTW it's pronounced PEH-neh

Almost like pay nay.
 
I suppose he thought it was pronounced Peenie?

Or did he think that everything that was not spaghetti was a variation of macaroni?

In any event...he would have been "Outta the Will!" :ROFLMAO:
 
rareboy said:
I suppose he thought it was pronounced Peenie?

Or did he think that everything that was not spaghetti was a variation of macaroni?

In any event...he would have been "Outta the Will!" :ROFLMAO:
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:LOL:
Some will pronounce it pen-uhh or penny.

He has grown up and refined himself. And now calls me for cooking tips once in a while.
 
I would still serve him penne every time he comes for dinner. :D
 
NotHardUp1 said:
Many Americans are averse to attempting to pronounce even English words they do not know because they never acquired phonetic understanding of language, so view it as a potential embarrassment.
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To be fair, we've had at least two generations of Americans who were subjected to the huge mistake of being taught to read without using phonics. They were mostly not given the opportunity to acquire phonetic understanding of language.
 
The loss of phonics as the basis of parsing English pronunciation is a tragedy.

And when I was in HS, we had teachers who drew us into other Romance languages by using the same approach only this time in the context of the root origins and variations that resulted in our modern linguistics.

I now wish I really understood then what I learned to appreciate over the last 50 years.
 
But we all attend the same North American professional conventions and it is like spreading lice in daycare...they all eat from the same breakfast buffet and chow down on the same bad notions.

I will never understand, if I live into the next century, why a handful of people who sucked at grammar, somehow got control of the English language curriculum and decided that they had a 'better' way of inculcating an appreciation for the foundational and technical aspects of the English language to impressionable minds...because they didn't want to stifle 'creativity'. It is why we now have adults who don't read but think that 'gunna' is still a real replacement for 'going to'.

I am all for the evolution of language...but heaven's to Betsy folks. I endowed a bursary in memory of one HS English teacher who I credit with making me the man I am and I swear I am coming for all those who dishonour his legacy. (Although seriously, I think he would overlook verbiage and construction in favour of originality any time).
 
rareboy said:
But we all attend the same North American professional conventions and it is like spreading lice in daycare..
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The pendulum has finally started swinging back, I've read, thanks to several studies which have shown clearly how much more effective phonics is as a teaching method.
 
rareboy said:
Although I do believe that the fall is inevitable...we will be only communicating in glyphs and single syllable words by the end of this century.
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EIther that or Russian.

VOTE.
 
pigface said:
I was taught to read & write using I.T.A. Anyone else?
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I don't recognize those initials. What do they stand for?

Also, were you taught to read and write first in English or Afrikaans? I may be wrong, but I suspect that teaching reading can be done differently in a language more phonetic than English, with its endlessly inconsistent spelling.
 
LoveMyPeppermill said:
I don't recognize those initials. What do they stand for?

Also, were you taught to read and write first in English or Afrikaans? I may be wrong, but I suspect that teaching reading can be done differently in a language more phonetic than English, with its endlessly inconsistent spelling.
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English and Afrikaans at the same time, but ITA is not suitable for Afrikaans at all, so the teaching methods were different. English was more focused on reading and writing than speech.
 
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