Jesus the Homosexual: Evidence From the Gospels

[opinterph]

New Evidence for Thutmose III as Exodus Pharaoh in 1446 BC (www.bible.ca)

Thutmose III The Napoleon of Ancient Egypt 1479 – 1425 BC (Discovering Egypt)

 

[Jacquemar]

Every book I have read on the subject of Ancient Egypt, including THE BLACKWELL HISTORY OF ANCIENT EGYPT, THE OXFORD HISTORY OF ANCIENT EGYPT, THE RISE AND FALL OF ANCIENT EGYPT, and THE CHRONICLES OF THE PHARAOHS, states that there is no evidence that the Exodus, as it's described in the Bible, ever happened. That is not to say that the story is entirely fictitious.

On the other hand there must be some small portion of truth in the Moses story. The story shows some knowledge of Egypt. The name Rameses is real, and Moses is an Egyptian name. Egypt had a period of monotheism at about that time.

There was a real kingdom of Bohemia and a royal family, does that mean Irena Adler really tried to blackmail its king?

 

[Jacquemar]

New Evidence for Thutmose III as Exodus Pharaoh in 1446 BC (www.bible.ca)

Yeah... I read some of this... I don't think this is a credible source...

 

[kallipolis]

Every book I have read on the subject of Ancient Egypt, including THE BLACKWELL HISTORY OF ANCIENT EGYPT, THE OXFORD HISTORY OF ANCIENT EGYPT, THE RISE AND FALL OF ANCIENT EGYPT, and THE CHRONICLES OF THE PHARAOHS, states that there is no evidence that the Exodus, as it's described in the Bible, ever happened. That is not to say that the story is entirely fictitious.



There was a real kingdom of Bohemia and a royal family, does that mean Irena Adler really tried to blackmail its king?

Your choice of reading has a well established habit of confirming your well noted atheistic prejudices.

I recommend reading books, and articles that challenge your lack of openness.

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Yeah... I read some of this... I don't think this is a credible source...

You would say that.

 

[Mariatenebre]

New Evidence for Thutmose III as Exodus Pharaoh in 1446 BC (www.bible.ca)

Thutmose III The Napoleon of Ancient Egypt 1479 – 1425 BC (Discovering Egypt)

Actually there is no evidence that Thutmose 3 is the Biblical Pharaoh. Nothing in his life fits this description. The Jews were never as a whole race enslaved to him nor did he die by drowning in the Red Sea. Also there is no evidence of Hatshepsut ever adopting a boy named Moses.

On the other hand there must be some small portion of truth in the Moses story. The story shows some knowledge of Egypt. The name Rameses is real, and Moses is an Egyptian name. Egypt had a period of monotheism at about that time.

Actually the Bible never mentions the Pharaoh of the Bible's name. Also it couldn't have been Rameses. Rameses was a successful and well loved Pharaoh and did not die of drowning in the Red Sea but rather of old age.

Your choice of reading has a well established habit of confirming your well noted atheistic prejudices.

I recommend reading books, and articles that challenge your lack of openness.

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The website is not credible kallipolis and there is no proof that a historical Exodus or Moses existed this is the consensus of mainstream scholars. You need to give credence to those who believe in the Exodus then any young Earth creationist as both have been denounced by academia.

You would say that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/staks-rosch/the-biblical-exodus-story-is-fiction_b_1408123.html


Also why do these Abrahamic gays now want to defend the account of Moses. You do realize that if he existed then he de facto brought homophobia to the Jews. In actuality Jews were never enslaved by the Egyptians they always resided in Israel and were the descendants of the Canaanites. Also the Egyptians in their history were far more enlightened on women's and LGBT rights then the Hebrews ever were.

 

[kallipolis]

Your assertions, remain your assertions founded upon your deep hatred for Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

Scholarly research invites the curious person to do more than peddle ideologically driven hatred.

 

[Kulindahr]

New Evidence for Thutmose III as Exodus Pharaoh in 1446 BC (www.bible.ca)

Thutmose III The Napoleon of Ancient Egypt 1479 – 1425 BC (Discovering Egypt)

I've been reading about Hatshepsut; I haven't come across anything suggesting she would have adopted a child, so the top item intrigues me.


Sort of leaning back to the topic, there are indications she was bisexual.

I haven't finished reading the whole thing, so I won't comment on dependability. What I've read so far is intriguing.

 

[Kulindahr]

Every book I have read on the subject of Ancient Egypt, including THE BLACKWELL HISTORY OF ANCIENT EGYPT, THE OXFORD HISTORY OF ANCIENT EGYPT, THE RISE AND FALL OF ANCIENT EGYPT, and THE CHRONICLES OF THE PHARAOHS, states that there is no evidence that the Exodus, as it's described in the Bible, ever happened. That is not to say that the story is entirely fictitious.

What I read from Opinterph's links reminded me of a theory a professor in St. Louis had, that the numbers the book of Exodus gives are including Apiru who attached themselves to Moses/Joshua & Co. after departing Egypt and then arriving in Palestine. He figured a core of thirty thousand actually left Egypt, a number far more believable.

 

[Kulindahr]

Actually there is no evidence that Thutmose 3 is the Biblical Pharaoh. Nothing in his life fits this description. The Jews were never as a whole race enslaved to him nor did he die by drowning in the Red Sea. Also there is no evidence of Hatshepsut ever adopting a boy named Moses.

Reading selectively? Opinterph's link points out that the Bible never says the Pharaoh drowned. And if the source is even half right, quite a bit of his life fits.

Actually the Bible never mentions the Pharaoh of the Bible's name. Also it couldn't have been Rameses. Rameses was a successful and well loved Pharaoh and did not die of drowning in the Red Sea but rather of old age.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/staks-rosch/the-biblical-exodus-story-is-fiction_b_1408123.html

That opinion piece is less of a source than Opinterph's.... The guy was bothered by learning the Hebrews didn't build then pyramids? He must have been pretty ignorant to ever have thought they did, since neither the Bible nor any history makes such a claim.

Also why do these Abrahamic gays now want to defend the account of Moses. You do realize that if he existed then he de facto brought homophobia to the Jews. In actuality Jews were never enslaved by the Egyptians they always resided in Israel and were the descendants of the Canaanites. Also the Egyptians in their history were far more enlightened on women's and LGBT rights then the Hebrews ever were.

How could Moses have "brought homophobia to the Jews"? He never speaks of homosexuality!


BTW, the Apiru were not just in Canaan, even apart from the Bible. They were "displaced people", both inside and outside the borders of Egypt. And some were taken as slaves, as well -- thousands, in fact.

 

[Kulindahr]

Your assertions, remain your assertions founded upon your deep hatred for Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

Scholarly research invites the curious person to do more than peddle ideologically driven hatred.

Common sense invites the curious person; scholarship just strengthens that.

And since repeatedly things in the Bible that were denounced as fiction have been later found to be true, common sense would suggest keeping an open mind about it -- such as with the Thutmose(s) hypothesis, which I want to look into further (though that page is crazy to claim there were three million Hebrews all of whom departed Egypt; they would have been a majority of the population and no plagues would have been needed to intimidate Egypt's ruler!

 

[kallipolis]

Common sense invites the curious person; scholarship just strengthens that.

And since repeatedly things in the Bible that were denounced as fiction have been later found to be true, common sense would suggest keeping an open mind about it -- such as with the Thutmose(s) hypothesis, which I want to look into further (though that page is crazy to claim there were three million Hebrews all of whom departed Egypt; they would have been a majority of the population and no plagues would have been needed to intimidate Egypt's ruler!

Noteworthy for being objective.

 

[kallipolis]

The problem here is apparent when attempting to marry Biblical metaphor, with historical facts that are easily misrepresented as fiction, by those with an agenda driven campaign to justify their own limited understandings of the Biblical narrative, when assuming that Holy Scripture was written as a history book.

 

[ludolfo]

it is very ironic to look for evidence to prove 'Jesus' was gay when there is actually no historical evidence Jesus of Nazareth ever existed in the first place!

 

[kallipolis]

it is very ironic to look for evidence to prove 'Jesus' was gay when there is actually no historical evidence Jesus of Nazareth ever existed in the first place!

That Christianity remains a potent, and active reminder of the life of Jesus of Nazareth some two thousand years after his death, might well inform the sceptical person that there is a causation for a belief culture called Christianity.

The well esteemed Roman senator, historian, orator and ethnographer Cornelius Tacitus (55/56 BC-118AD) writes in his Annals on the life of the Emperor Nero:

Neither human effort nor the emperor’s generosity nor the placating of the gods ended the scandalous belief that the fire had been ordered [by Nero]. Therefore, to put down the rumor, Nero substituted as culprits and punished in the most unusual ways those hated for their shameful acts … whom the crowd called “Chrestians.” The founder of this name, Christ [Christus in Latin], had been executed in the reign of Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate … Suppressed for a time, the deadly superstition erupted again not only in Judea, the origin of this evil, but also in the city [Rome], where all things horrible and shameful from everywhere come together and become popular

Further reference here for those willing to broaden their knowledge, and understandings on the actual existence of Jesus of Nazareth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ

I quote:

Tacitus is one of three key Roman authors who may refer to early Christians, the other two being Pliny the Younger and Suetonius.[67][68] These authors refer to events which took place during the reign of various Roman emperors, Suetonius writing about an expulsion from Rome during the reign of Claudius (41 to 54), and also punishments by Nero (who reigned from 54 to 68), Pliny's letters are to Trajan about the trials he was holding for Christians around 111 AD.[67] But the temporal order for the documents begins with Pliny writing around 111 AD, then Tacitus around 115/116 AD and then Suetonius writing in the Lives of the Twelve Caesars around 122 AD.[67][69] Thus 47 to 58 years after the 64 AD fire and Nero's alleged persecution.

 

[Jacquemar]

it is very ironic to look for evidence to prove 'Jesus' was gay when there is actually no historical evidence Jesus of Nazareth ever existed in the first place!

Well, there are the Josephus references, and a few scattered references from various Roman sources about 70 years later. I don't know whether an historical personage of that name ever really existed, but the myths in the gospels have inspired millions.

 

[kallipolis]

Well, there are the Josephus references, and a few scattered references from various Roman sources about 70 years later. I don't know whether an historical personage of that name ever really existed, but the myths in the gospels have inspired millions.

Ah! those Roman sources are the fly in the ointment for the obsessive, compulsive atheist brigade here.

 

[TX-Beau]

Ah! those Roman sources are the fly in the ointment for the obsessive, compulsive atheist brigade here.

There are no "Roman" sources for the person Jesus Christ, and Ludolfo is not an atheist.

 

[Jacquemar]

There are no "Roman" sources for the person Jesus Christ, and Ludolfo is not an atheist.

You don't consider Tacitus and Pliny to be Romans?

 

[Jacquemar]

You don't consider Tacitus and Pliny to be Romans?

Okay, just looked at an article on Pliny... Gotcha.

 

[TX-Beau]

If there were any actual evidence for an actual Christ we wouldn't be having this conversation. There are however a lot of people with vested interests who insist that they do have evidence when in fact they do not.