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John McCain Adores the War, Ignores the Warriors

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I am a Vietnam veteran and this is a sorry excuse for a Vietnam veteran/POW. John McCain cannot allow our new Vets get what they deserve. They are ignored in health care and education. This morning my Senator Cornyn sent me a newsletter bragging how he voted for the Enhancement of Recruitment, Retention, and Readjustment through Education Act, which is co-sponsored by Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., Richard Burr, R-N.C. It falls far short of helping our new Vets of Iraq and Afghanistan. We all need to contact our congressmen and threaten reelection if they do not recall this law and pass the Webb/Hagel bill. It would benefit the veterans entirely and we need to work on them getting all the health benefits they deserve. I have contacted mine, do yours. Thank you.

John McCain Adores the War, Ignores the Warriors

By Aaron Glantz, AlterNet. Posted May 2, 2008.

He doesn't care if we're in Iraq for a hundred years, but when it comes to the veterans who've served over there, the senator is AWOL.

Everyone knows McCain is a former prisoner of war, but did you know he refuses to support a bipartisan effort to modernize the GI Bill and has voted against nearly every effort to increase funding for healthcare and disability benefits for wounded soldiers? Did you know that Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) gave him a D+ when they scored his voting record (whereas Obama got a B+ and Clinton an A-). Do you know that he voted with the interests of Disabled American Veterans (DAV) only 20 percent of the time?

Take a moment to look at his record:

In 2005 and 2006, McCain voted against expanding mental healthcare and readjustment counseling for service members returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, efforts to expand inpatient and outpatient treatment for injured veterans, and proposals to lower co-payments and enrollment fees veterans must pay to obtain prescription drugs.

"There was an effort to increase the budget for veterans' healthcare beyond what President [George W.] Bush had requested as part of his budget," DAV spokesperson Dave Autry explains. "The idea was to increase funding for veterans' healthcare by cutting back on tax breaks for the wealthy. The proposals were pushed by Democrats and opposed by Republicans in almost straight party-line votes."

In other words, John McCain's votes indicate he would rather give tax cuts to the rich than care for wounded veterans (Neither McCain's campaign office, nor his Senate press secretary responded to telephone and email inquiries for this story).

McCain's vote also helped defeat a proposal by Democratic Sen. Debbie Stabenow that would have made veterans' healthcare an entitlement program like social security, so that medical care would not become a political football to be argued over in Congress each budget cycle.

Up until recently, these votes hadn't haunted John McCain. Reporters habitually rehashed his story of heroism four decades ago without looking at his voting record in the present. But now that he's the presumptive Republican nominee for president, a coalition of veterans groups, liberal activists, and Democratic PACs have decided to target McCain over his failure to support S.22, a bipartisan effort to improve the GI Bill.

The bill, by Sens. Jim Webb, D-Va., and Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., would bring back WWII-era measures that provided vets with full college tuition along with room and board. Right now, those vets who try to use the GI Bill to attend school are eligible to receive only $1,100 a month for a maximum of three years. It is an amount that doesn't come close to covering the cost of a modern college education.

So far 57 senators have signed on as co-sponsors. But the bill remains nine votes short of the supermajority necessary to kill a filibuster.

"It's time for Sen. McCain to stand up for veterans and be a leader," the chairman of VoteVets, Iraq war veteran Jon Soltz, said in a statement. "The success or failure of this bill largely rests on his shoulders. He is the de facto leader of the Republican Party. If he signs onto the bill, it will pass and become law. If he doesn't support it, he needs to explain why he doesn't."

Earlier this month, VoteVets launched an on-line video and petition drive targeting McCain. The four-minute video was produced by Brave New Films (which brought us Outfoxed and Iraq for Sale) with funds from retired Gen. Wesley Clark's WesPAC. It features four veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan testifying on the problems they've faced with the current G.I. Bill.

"When I enlisted, I was under the impression that my college would be paid for, that I would have everything taken care of," Iraq war veteran Joshua Drake says in the video.

"The current G.I. Bill is inadequate," the former Navy corpsman added. "It hasn't kept up with the cost of inflation or the cost of tuition or the cost of books ... If I could talk to John McCain, I would try to appeal to him as a fellow veteran."

On April 29, more than 100 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans held a press conference on Capitol Hill with the same message, in an effort to turn up the heat on McCain and other lawmakers.

McCain's response has been to propose his own, less expansive version of the GI Bill. Last week, he introduced a bill entitled the Enhancement of Recruitment, Retention, and Readjustment through Education Act, which is co-sponsored by Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., Richard Burr, R-N.C.

Their bill would modestly increase the amount of money available to veterans using the GI Bill from $1,100 to $1,500 a month (still less than the cost of tuition at many public universities and still for only three years). The bill would also close some bureaucratic loopholes that cause GI Bill benefits to count as income, which disqualifies many needy veterans from student loans.

In announcing his bill, McCain made no mention of the more ambitious effort being championed by Webb and Hagel or the increasing attacks leveled at him by partisan and veterans organizations.

"We have an obligation to provide unwavering support to our nation's veterans, and that is precisely what this legislation does," McCain said in a statement (he was out campaigning and did not attend the press conference announcing the bill). "Men and women who serve their country in uniform deserve the best education benefits we are able to give them."

Veterans groups were unimpressed.

"Sens. McCain, Graham and Burr are shortchanging our veterans and undermining America's heroes as they reach for the American dream," said VoteVets's Soltz. "Frankly, it hurts to have two veterans, like Sens. McCain and Graham treat us like this. We would expect that they would have more honor than that."
 
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You lost me when you called McCain a sorry excuse for a Viet Nam veteran-POW. Everything you said after that went right in the toilet. McCain is many things, those are not among them.

I do thank you for your service, however. Maybe an edit would be in order.
 
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An edit for what? The bill he signed and worked on does not give the Vets all they are entitled to. The Webb/Hagel Bill is a much better law for our Vets. Claiming everything went in the toilet says you do not back our Vets either.
You need to read up on those bills and decide which one is better.
 
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^It doesn't matter a whit about the bills. That's not the issue. The issue is your calling McCain a sorry excuse for a Viet Nam war veteran and POW. I don't much care for McCain, but his service to this country is beyond reproach.

It's OK to argue about McCain's support or lack thereof, of this bill. But it needs to be done in the context of his service as a US Senator and his status as the standard bearer in waiting for his party's nomination.

It would be something akin to starting a thread about Obama, referring to him as a stupid nigger. Or starting a thread about Mrs. Clinton calling her a cunt. It tends to destroy whatever good points you may have made subsequently.

I've not read either bill, so I have no position on them. But to assume I don't support our veterans simply based on the fact that I read not a word after your vitriolic attack on a war hero, based on his service, is simply ridiculous.

Cool down a bit. Think about what you've said about a man who everybody recognizes as a war hero, and fix it. Then we can go on with an intelligent discussion as it relates to McCain's positions as a Senator, on important legislation affecting people who we all want to see treated like the heroes they are.
 
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You lost me when you called McCain a sorry excuse for a Viet Nam veteran-POW. Everything you said after that went right in the toilet. McCain is many things, those are not among them.

I do thank you for your service, however. Maybe an edit would be in order.

Why not read White Eagle's article before passing judgement?
An open mind is receptive to new ideas or information.
A closed mind is a wonderful thing to loose. or, they say,... Ignorance is bliss.
 
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Sorry, the idea that McCain is a sorry excuse for a war veteran or POW is not one I'm open to. I'm always open to intelligent discussion, I'm just over all the name calling that goes on here.
 
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Sorry, the idea that McCain is a sorry excuse for a war veteran or POW is not one I'm open to. I'm always open to intelligent discussion, I'm just over all the name calling that goes on here.
Jack, I agree with you about the name calling, it needs to stop. I'm certainly not a fan of John McCain, the Senator/Presidential candidate, but attacking his military service is not the way to initiate a dialogue about his ideas and voting record. I'm still pissed off about the swift-boating of John Kerry's war record in 2004, especially by those who did everything short of moving to Canada to avoid the draft.

It seems that John McCain has lost his way when it comes to supporting Veterans, especially those who have put their lives on the line in combat. An honest discussion about that would be welcome.
 
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Ok, I got ya. Forgive me for calling him a sorry excuse for a Vietnam vet/POW. That is quite a bit strong.
But I do think he is not backing our Vets like he should, as a Veteran himself. The guys and gals coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan with brain damage are not getting the help they need, and the education bill is something they need also. The Repuglican admin has a history of not giving the help our Vets need. McCain is part of the Repuglican party. He wants to be the Admin. He is gonna have to work a little harder.
Now please read the rest of my post so you can make an opinion about it.
 
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Ok, I got ya. Forgive me for calling him a sorry excuse for a Vietnam vet/POW. That is quite a bit strong.
But I do think he is not backing our Vets like he should, as a Veteran himself. The guys and gals coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan with brain damage are not getting the help they need, and the education bill is something they need also. The Repuglican admin has a history of not giving the help our Vets need. McCain is part of the Repuglican party. He wants to be the Admin. He is gonna have to work a little harder.
Now please read the rest of my post so you can make an opinion about it.

First, WhiteEagle, let me thank you for being a gentleman about your comments. I appreciate it and I think it will add to a more civil discourse.

I read the article you had posted and it seemed to tell half a story as it relates to McCain's non support of S22. His issues, appear to be with transferability of military benefits to families and with retention of service personnel. He's been critical of the bill for not addressing those concerns.

http://washingtonindependent.com/view/gi-bill-gains

I think this is a pretty easy fix. Simply incorporate McCain's proposals as they relate to transferability of benefits to families and some aspect of personnel retention. McCain wants it to be twelve years, which seems a bit long to get full benefits. Webb has suggested something like six years. I'll go with Webb on this one. Once that's been accomplished, we'll see if McCain stands with America's vets or with his party.

To be honest, I've not seen anything much negative about McCain's support of veterans. This is the first time. I cannot imagine the press giving a pug a pass for anything, much less not supporting vets. If it's true, I believe he's not worthy of the presidency.

We have a long and shameful history of treating vets like shit in this country. Both parties are guilty, as well. The least we can do for those who put their lives on the line for us, is to ensure that they are well cared for by this country when they return. We need better medical facilities to heal and rehabilitate them. We need better educational opportunities. I'd even like to see a lifetime tax benefit for everybody who has worn the uniform. We give tax breaks to encourage marriage, home ownership and other things. We can afford to be more generous with our veterans.
 
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First, WhiteEagle, let me thank you for being a gentleman about your comments. I appreciate it and I think it will add to a more civil discourse.

I read the article you had posted and it seemed to tell half a story as it relates to McCain's non support of S22. His issues, appear to be with transferability of military benefits to families and with retention of service personnel. He's been critical of the bill for not addressing those concerns.

http://washingtonindependent.com/view/gi-bill-gains

I think this is a pretty easy fix. Simply incorporate McCain's proposals as they relate to transferability of benefits to families and some aspect of personnel retention. McCain wants it to be twelve years, which seems a bit long to get full benefits. Webb has suggested something like six years. I'll go with Webb on this one. Once that's been accomplished, we'll see if McCain stands with America's vets or with his party.

To be honest, I've not seen anything much negative about McCain's support of veterans. This is the first time. I cannot imagine the press giving a pug a pass for anything, much less not supporting vets. If it's true, I believe he's not worthy of the presidency.

We have a long and shameful history of treating vets like shit in this country. Both parties are guilty, as well. The least we can do for those who put their lives on the line for us, is to ensure that they are well cared for by this country when they return. We need better medical facilities to heal and rehabilitate them. We need better educational opportunities. I'd even like to see a lifetime tax benefit for everybody who has worn the uniform. We give tax breaks to encourage marriage, home ownership and other things. We can afford to be more generous with our veterans.


I like that last para of your post.


I like to get Veterans issues from the VoteVets Org webpage.

http://www.votevets.org/index_html -Home page.


The following is the page that explains the S22 and the difference that McCains bill has.
http://www.votevets.org/news?id=0126
Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans Strongly Reject McCain's Watered-Down Education Bill

Some will say VoteVets is a partisan group, and I'm certain they are. But it is recognized by Gen Wesley Clark, Maj Gen Paul D. Eaton and other military officers. They are Veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan and are very active in pressuring Congress in Veterans agendas. After the condition that they found Walter Reed Hospital they have to be very careful in what they deny the Veteran. In my book this is a legit orginazition.

(*8*)
 
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1) The McCain-Graham-Burr legislation creates a flat education benefit, not taking into account the cost of state colleges where veterans live. This would mean veterans in states where the cost of education is higher than the benefit would have go to into debt to get an education, or uproot themselves and their families to move to a place where the benefit would cover college. The Webb-Hagel Bill determines the education benefit based on the highest state college tuition in a veterans' home state, allowing veterans to come home and attend college, without upheaval in their lives.

I agree!

2) The McCain-Graham-Burr legislation creates second-class veterans, by offering those who serve in the military for 12 years the chance to transfer their education benefits to their children. This says to a veteran who serves for two years and loses both of his legs in combat that his service isn't as valuable as someone who has served for longer.

I think 6 years or suffers a debilitating injury is a good compromise on this point.

3) The McCain-Graham-Burr legislation leaves the National Guard and Reserve out in the cold. In the current conflicts, the National Guard and Reserve have served faithfully alongside their active duty compatriots, and deserve equal benefits. Yet, the McCain bill does nothing to reward our Guard and Reservists for their cumulative service. Under the McCain bill, over 160,000 members of the Guard and Reserves who have done more than one tour in Iraq or Afghanistan would get no credit towards an education for their additional sacrifice.

Agreed!

I still think there's room to get all this done. It's a shame that it's the silly season and important stuff like this falls prey to partisan stupidity!
 
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Well, there it is! We are in agreement. Except for #2, I have to think more about what they are wanting to do on both McCain's and Webb/Hagel's bills. I think I'm leaning toward your thinking but I'm gonna study it more.
 
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Nice conversation here! Thank you, White Eagle, and Jack, for maintaining a thread that is thoughtful, and provides good information for us to view.
 
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I agree with more however we are currently breaking the back of our military with what we owe to our current and past service members.

You have no idea how many program have been agreed upon but not funded. Our current defense budget is 80 percent people. Either through medical, education, paychecks, commissary/exhancges, barracks, housing, the story never ends. I agree we should do more but what no one ever talks about with these heart string issues is paying for it.

Let me give you an inside scoop of sorts. Set to fully take effect in 2009 "family first" changes a significant portion of the rule for moves and reimbursement of claims. Because of the increase in cost per move did the congress give us more money than the year before? No they gave us less. To defer the cost of less we have done a number of things including moving Sailors early to reduce the number of 2009 moves. That is the traditional way congress does something. A ton of hoopla and banners for how good they are to whomever then no cash to back it up. Think of no child left behind. It is all publicity and sound bites with no traction. THAT IS JUST ONE PROGRAM. There is an entire office of lawyers and senior Officers at the pentagon that reads the law to make sure we spend the money sparingly in each direction while meeting the intent of the law. Our politicians IF they had true heart would not put us in that position.

How does this fantastic bill plan on paying for itself? How do democrats screech we don't do enough and at the same time screech even louder that we are in debt? How completely dishonest.

I simply have zero time for politicians who have half a plan. McCain understands this. As soon as you spend ten or fifteen seconds in senior mgt in the Navy you will find we are making decisions based not on what is best for the service but what can we afford and what can we blow off. We do this and still meet our committments. Who suffers? The Sailors.
 
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