Jon Stewart on Hillary Clinton

[TX-Beau]

So, a Democratic congress (pickups with both houses) would not back Bernie Sanders?

What does that say about the party?

Especially if your argument is that a President Hillary Clinton would get support from both houses?

It tells me she would go for right-wing policies. (Or, if that seems harsh, center-right.)

Please have courage, frankfrank! (Didn't you mention, however long ago, that you voted the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination to Bernie Sanders?)

No they wouldn't, because they have to answer to people back home, the vast majority of which are NOT in agreement with Bernie on anything at all - hell most Democrats voted FOR Hillary so far, and after the huge mid-term landslide he'd hand to Republicans he'd be lame duck till the end of his only term.

 

[TX-Beau]

It's stupid to say that because Hillary won't try to make us Sweden with no support, no popular vote, and no way to pay for it that somehow voting Bernie makes better sense.

 

[frankfrank]

So, a Democratic congress (pickups with both houses) would not back Bernie Sanders?

Please have courage, frankfrank! (Didn't you mention, however long ago, that you voted the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination to Bernie Sanders?)

But we won't have a Democratic congress. The Senate, very possibly - but the House? WON'T HAPPEN. Trump would need to lose by 40 points before Clinton's "coattails will be long enough" to get plenty of Democrats elected in districts that have been Gerrymandered into Republican seats.

Yes, I definitely did vote for Bernie. I had to think it out (basically "independently") and, eventually/later, I realized some problems which I was already thinking about some in March:

1. What I mentioned about him getting nothing substantial done, therefore voters thinking Democrats can't get anything done. (This is ALREADY part of the same thing we have to fight in 2016 to keep Trump out. People think Obama got nothing done - even if he actually DID...nearly SIX YEARS ago.)

2. The Republican campaign would so utterly destroy Bernie by alleging, over and over, that he's a "commie." The stupid public will swallow that completely. Hammers-and-sickles, Stalin, welfare mamas, über-taxation (to support free college etc.), and all other kinds of memes, no matter how untrue, will flood the media. I don't think that the Koch-suckers [media] have yet received very much of the $990 million that the Koch Brothers have promised to spend - 100% on Republicans of course.

3. A major "big deal" is going to be made about his honeymoon in the Soviet Union. (Never mind that Trump, etc., complain when their past is brought up. Republican "dirt" on Democrats is of course a "good thing" for THEM, but God's wrath is of course unleashed if Democrats bring up the past...at all.)

4. Speaking of that, it doesn't help at all that the Soviet Union was the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS. Of course some of us know that their use of "Socialist" in their official name was pure obfuscation - THEIR way of making their communist nation sound more "palatable" - similar to North Korea officially calling itself a "Democratic People's Republic" which SOUNDS WONDERFUL. To most people, the old official USSR name only makes a lot of people think "SEE? Socialist is the same thing as the Soviet Union!!!"

5. I don't think Bernie has much baggage...but what baggage he DOES have, hasn't been aired very much yet.

6. MOST RECENTLY in my thoughts, the near-riot in Las Vegas (at the convention, Saturday) will not help Bernie's cause, not at all. Even threatening Nevada party big-wigs and harassment...and Bernie is not even condemning it.

 

[Kulindahr]

As is not uncommon, Stewart pegs it again.

I wonder what he'd say if it was suggested that people are voting for Hillary purely because she's a woman, as it was said that many voted for Obama purely because he's black.

 

[offthewall14420]

..."Hillary Clinton doesn't seem like a candidate you can get a beer with. Maybe she doesn't want to get a beer with you..."


[video]http://www.cc.com/video-clips/kb2x61/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-advice-for-hillary-clinton[/video]

 

[evanrick]

Jon Stewart rips Hillary



Very few Clinton supporters will understand what Stewart is talking about or even know who he is.

 

[eastofeden]

Re: Jon Stewart rips Hillary

What? The first thread wasn't enough for you?

Last time I saw him was 2008 and Stewart was saying the same shit about Hillary Clinton. Good for him. Everyone has an opinion..eh?

...and your sexist as fuck "power hungry" narrator here...LOL....no wonder you like him.

BTW...I think your narrator is obnoxious...that is my opinion

 

[evanrick]

Re: Jon Stewart rips Hillary

Poor Clinton people just dont understand , should we feel sorry for them? nope.

 

[rareboy]

Re: Jon Stewart rips Hillary

Very few Clinton supporters will understand what Stewart is talking about or even know who he is.

Nonsense. Most Clinton supporters know exactly who he is.

And have great respect for him.

But while Jon might also be supporting Bernie Sanders...he would be the first to agree that if Bernie can't be the candidate, the left has to get behind the Democrat candidate or risk another Bush/Nader fiasco.

 

[evanrick]

Re: Jon Stewart rips Hillary

Nonsense. Most Clinton supporters know exactly who he is.

And have great respect for him.

But while Jon might also be supporting Bernie Sanders...he would be the first to agree that if Bernie can't be the candidate, the left has to get behind the Democrat candidate or risk another Bush/Nader fiasco.

Clinton supporters do not believe that Jon Stewart actually means what he says about Clinton, what is precisely what I mean when I said that Clinton supporters do not know who Jon Stewart is, they believe its satire because his whole show was satire. They don't understand the satire, when Stewart rips Hillary, they think hes being sarcastic.

How can you respect Stewart when you don't even comprehend what he says?

Clinton people will have to start taking responsibility for their 'support' of Hillary at some point.

 

[eastofeden]

Re: Jon Stewart rips Hillary

Clinton supporters do not believe that Jon Stewart actually means what he says about Clinton, what is precisely what I mean when I said that Clinton supporters do not know who Jon Stewart is, they believe its satire because his whole show was satire. They don't understand the satire, when Stewart rips Hillary, they think hes being sarcastic.

How can you respect Stewart when you don't even comprehend what he says?

Clinton people will have to start taking responsibility for their 'support' of Hillary at some point.

Are you serious? Do you actually think rareboy (or anyone else) doesn't comprehend Stewart?

Ironically..I think Sanders might be a lot farther ahead had it not been for people like you. So what is the tally now? Black people don't comprehend...Latins don't comprehend...Gays don't comprehend...95% of elected Democrats don't comprehend....Women don't comprehend

...so does that make it only angry young white men and their girlfriend's who DO comprehend?

 

[offthewall14420]

Re: Jon Stewart rips Hillary

Jon Stewart is just a fucking comedian and would be the first to point that out. He only wants your respect as a comedian, not as some political prognosticator people quote as gospel.

 

[rareboy]

Re: Jon Stewart rips Hillary

Believe me.

I'm more than capable of telling when Jon Stewart is being sardonic or sarcastic. We haven't missed a show or interview he's done for the last 16+ years. I am one of his greatest fans...particularly when he delivers unvarnished truth...which he did many times on his show.

I have no doubt that he personally doesn't really like Hillary as the nominee and that he wishes Bernie would win.

But he is also a pragmatist and realist and would not see the country handed over to Trump just because his own preference for the nomination does not win the candidacy.

And surprise. The people who are supporting Clinton are taking responsibility for their support....even when it is not the passionate and lustful support that Bernie's followers give to him...but more measured and practical.

You just really have to stop going on the attack to try to make a point here.

We get it. The California primary is coming. There's no one here to try to convince.

 

[evanrick]

i love the hillary peoples rationale for their support of her even with Jon Stewart doesnt, that even with all her bad decisions and failed judgement calls, he 'probably supporters her anyways'. Nice campaign slogan, and sooner willing to put words into Stewarts mouth than acknowledge their candidate of choice has squandered every opportunity to appeal to more than just half of the democratic party.

the people who support hillary now are lecturing Sanders supporters about 'getting things done' is the most laughable argument ive ever heard. its much more likely a clinton would face much greater opposition from republicans than any "independant democrat", the proof is this entire primary where Clinton should have won months ago. its just the DNC doesnt want to give up its stranglehold on corporate democratic power so they are willing to do anything and say anything to pretend there isnt a problem with the DNC.

they also must forget Hillary was the most anti-change candidate against Obama in 2008, said the same things about Obama she is saying about Sanders. she was wrong then about Obama, wrong about Iraq, wrong about syria, wrong about libya, wrong about gay marriage, TPP, keystone, being a registered republican, email scandal, the list is endless!

 

[offthewall14420]

Obama was right about appointing her to Secretary of State.

 

[TX-Beau]

the people who support hillary now are lecturing Sanders supporters about 'getting things done' is the most laughable argument ive ever heard. its much more likely a clinton would face much greater opposition from republicans than any "independant democrat", the proof is this entire primary where Clinton should have won months ago. its just the DNC doesnt want to give up its stranglehold on corporate democratic power so they are willing to do anything and say anything to pretend there isnt a problem with the DNC.

Vote for Bernie because Hillary didn't kick his ass soon enough?!?

 

[Sausy]

Obama was right about appointing her to Secretary of State.

Oh yes, she was such a great one. NOT. He named her Secretary of State to pacify her after ruining her 2008 coronation(you really think she took Obama seriously at first as an opponent.. lol have a bridge to sell you, then) and give her a plumb qualification to run after he served out his term of office. Her uberhawkishness(recklessness) regarding Syria and Libya in particular have helped complicate two messed up areas further. And in Libya SHE was the voice pushing hardest for regime change, without thought to the lack of infrastructure and institutions to transition cohesively from Qaddafi to a democratic government. In fact Libya is in all accounts a failed state incapable of central government.

Her support for a coup in Honduras that has resulted in the suppression of human rights activists including the assassination of at least one well known opposition figure...also, a woman but one with principles and credibility. God.. I can understand support of a candidate but the blind, willful denial of Hillary's own failings here is sickening. Of course, EVERYTHING against Hillary is a right wing talking point only dupes and idiots would believe. Go on... keep your blinders on, the lot of you. She is what she is, though.... and as snarky, mocking, defiant her defenders are regarding her.... as smart and qualified, capable as she may be personally, she will always be an unprincipled, arrogant, self absorbed, hypocritical, fraudulent piece of work who is only one step away from the Presidency because she married Bill Clinton. Glass ceiling my ass.. she stood on his shoulders to break through it. They are the most noxious political duo in memory. Buy one, you get the other.

Did anyone even listen to the host here? He has Hillary down pat. He doesn't want to be against Hillary, but come on... if you lift your ass and just fucking look around, he's telling the exact truth. Hillary is spineless, valueless, the perfect Establishment candidate. She has no character, no moral core... just what's going to be beneficial to Hillary. Between us all and the interests who can help keep her powerful, she'll choose the interests EVERY time. That all this time has passed, and those who support her(and some half hearted, easily influenced Bernie "supporters" throwing him under a bus without a thought)still don't get why Hillary is so disliked by so many? No, it's not just because ultraconservatives love to bash the Clintons... many perfectly principled liberals can see her total lack of genuineness and principles and even if they support her very reluctantly.. they know that Bernie's and Elizabeth Warren's (yeah, I know she finally endorsed Hillary today) vision of the Democratic Party is the future, and it's not just about Bernie. He's just the one sounding the message, and sparking a peaceful revolution that cannot be put back into the bottle now.

Hillary, thankfully, seems to be poised to be the last of the old establishment Democrats to lead the party... if she is elected President, I hope her feet will be held to the fire and if she proves just how right her detractors are, the challenge should be on in 2020 without apology or reservations. There is no reason the Democratic/ Republican monopoly on power should remain institutionalized in perpetuity.... change or be swept aside. Unlike the old days, neither party has room for broad factions anymore to co-opt troublemakers and rabble rousers and kill independent movements. It's about time the old ways get swept away. We can never achieve perfection, but we can do a hell of lot better for our people.

 

[kallipolis]

Did anyone even listen to the host here? He has Hillary down pat. He doesn't want to be against Hillary, but come on... if you lift your ass and just fucking look around, he's telling the exact truth. Hillary is spineless, valueless, the perfect Establishment candidate. She has no character, no moral core... just what's going to be beneficial to Hillary.

Clearly your "feelings" towards Hillary are personal.

I should imagine that you know her, from your many personal encounters with her.

I have never met Hillary, therefore have no feelings about her.

Back to my coffee, and biscuits.

 

[Kulindahr]

Clearly your "feelings" towards Hillary are personal.

I should imagine that you know her, from your many personal encounters with her.

I have never met Hillary, therefore have no feelings about her.

Back to my coffee, and biscuits.

He listed some good objective reasons to despise Hillary -- for example, that she clearly doesn't care about human rights, something shown not just by the Honduras matter.

 

[Sausy]

I think given time and space Kuli can give a whole host of reasons why not to like Hillary. He does a far better job of organizing his thoughts than me... I sometimes write off of visceral reactions... like being flaggergasted how blind some people are not viewing the video and listening to the perspective of the host who showed that snippet with an honest, open,clear minded perspective.

So I have to actually KNOW a person to get an idea of that person's character? No, I don't know Hillary..hell, I don't know Dick Cheney, but I have a lot of problems with him, because he is a fucking scumbag. Ask many liberals what they think of Joe Lieberman..lol the guy would have been Vice President of the US had Al Gore not been blocked by the Supreme Court from getting a recount by the Supreme Court. Are you kidding me with this reaction? You don't actually have to know someone to form an opinion about the person's character. The host who played the snippet had it dead on what was wrong with Hillary. Neither he nor I want to dislike someone so intensely...he wants to root for the Democratic nominee, and so do I and many others... but it's because of a constant stream of words and deeds and an inability to stand on any kind of principles that makes Hillary so bad. If you and others here can't see it, that's your tough shit for willfully putting on blinders. Making excuses, settling for the ambitious and unprincipled.

Enjoy your coffee and biscuits... it's so perfect at this time politically in Greece, isn't it? For someone who is so calm, you should be furious with a lot of people in your political parties and players in Europe and the financial world. I don't my country to go to hell in a handbasket, if you are okay with yours doing so... well, so be it. But I don't want to see President Trump get elected here, yet I have no illusions that we will be so wonderfully better off under President Hillary Clinton. Yes, the Supreme Court and gay rights will not slip away under her auspices, but I don't trust her foreign policy and don't trust her economic policy either to restore prosperity to tens of millions of Americans. Not because I have personal reasons from knowing her to dislike her, but because she has consistently proven inconsistent, without spine or principle.