Jordan Peterson

[Telstra]

Not sure this book cover is real.
However, believe it or not, a lot of men do NOT wash their penis, therefore "the smell" as i always talk about the smell a lot.

 

[ballcaphair]

I don't think that's fair to NotHardUp1, but I have grown increasingly frustrated by my direct questions or posts containing cogent arguments going completely ignored when it's convenient (and that's not exclusive to this thread). The egotism of being unable to acknowledge the merit of opposing arguments is actually infuriating and I definitely lost my patience when I saw a significant theme of the essay going completely ignored, especially since it involves points I've been trying to make for the entirety of this thread and when they were ignored here too.

My boyfriend keeps telling me I need to stop coming here and he's absolutely right. It's just not worth the frustration.

Damnit man, I hope this isn't another one bites the dust, you're one of the most articulate, thoughtful guys here.

Please don't go. I know we are often debating in the distillery, a terminal filled with noise and asides. But I can hear you over the cacophony and am thrilled that you're here. In the stew that is JUB clam chowder, you, my friend are a bright pearl.

 

[ballcaphair]

I believe that his use of "postmodern neo-marxists," is an ambiguous design for his deliberation. He not only questions your understanding based on your experiences. He eloquently challenges your right to think them, or bring them to the table. As he sits quietly, he is devising a way to explain how it's his table. His arguments, his rules are different from mine, but I'm not into self-promotion in a binary environment.

 

[pat grimshaw]

I believe that his use of "postmodern neo-marxists," is an ambiguous design for his deliberation. He not only questions your understanding based on your experiences....

Do you use the words "postmodern neo-marxists"?

...his rules are different from mine, but I'm not into self-promotion in a binary environment.

Do you live in a non-binary environment?

 

[ballcaphair]

Do you use the words "postmodern neo-marxists"?



Do you live in a non-binary environment?

No and yes.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Actually, Peterson uses "Post-Modernist" and "Neo-Marxist" to describe the patterns. I'm not so sure that he combines the two.

As for answering tit for tat, I'm more than happy to let points stand unrebutted. The reader is able to decide for himself what he thinks is accurate or relevant.

If we were all bound to read and answer every post, we'd all be back to taking Fab off ignore, so there's that.

 

[offthewall14420]

I don't think that's fair to NotHardUp1, but I have grown increasingly frustrated by my direct questions or posts containing cogent arguments going completely ignored when it's convenient (and that's not exclusive to this thread). The egotism of being unable to acknowledge the merit of opposing arguments is actually infuriating and I definitely lost my patience when I saw a significant theme of the essay going completely ignored, especially since it involves points I've been trying to make for the entirety of this thread and when they were ignored here too.

My boyfriend keeps telling me I need to stop coming here and he's absolutely right. It's just not worth the frustration.

If the thread was a collapsible tree instead of a boring, scrolling page people might have conversations. It's just too difficult to read through a debate.

 

[ballcaphair]

If the thread was a collapsible tree instead of a boring, scrolling page people might have conversations. It's just too difficult to read through a debate.

Be patient. Debate is the whole point. There is not enough, especially presently.

 

[luckynumbah7]

If the thread was a collapsible tree instead of a boring, scrolling page people might have conversations. It's just too difficult to read through a debate.

May I ask your age? I think your difficulty might be contemporary-expectation re;technology related.

A bit of regular practice with differing formats could clear that right up.

I don't have opinions on comment-nesting one way or the other outside having to hunt for minimized commentary. It all seems one big page when you get right down to it.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Fry repeats his observation that Brexit and Trump are not the triumph of the right, but the failure of the left.

 

[NotHardUp1]

And further clarification of why Jordan is accused of transphobia and misogyny.

The tag about it being "even worse" (for the opposition) than the Newman interview is idiotic. The points were discussed in a wholly civil manner and both guests made their points adroitly without diversion or personal attacks. The host did tend to frame questions a certain way, but Peterson was up to the task of rephrasing them as he saw them, not as imposed. It was a fair fight.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Peterson in a comic interview.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^ That guy on the left is very painful, self-satisfied, rich young gay man.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Peterson interviewed by Russell Brand (consonants were optional). He is in his element about myth (Job) and clinical psychology. Agreeing with him isn't required, but his discussion is very much apropos for his background in both.

 

[offthewall14420]

May I ask your age? I think your difficulty might be contemporary-expectation re;technology related.

A bit of regular practice with differing formats could clear that right up.

I don't have opinions on comment-nesting one way or the other outside having to hunt for minimized commentary. It all seems one big page when you get right down to it.

Old enough to not attack suggestions. My problem is the reader cannot isolate a single debate within a larger conversation. In order to understand context one needs to go through 3 pages of general commentary. I guess people who don't like it can just go elsewhere.

With Peterson it all comes down to women getting back in the kitchen to free up jobs for men.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Old enough to not attack suggestions. My problem is the reader cannot isolate a single debate within a larger conversation. In order to understand context one needs to go through 3 pages of general commentary. I guess people who don't like it can just go elsewhere.

With Peterson it all comes down to women getting back in the kitchen to free up jobs for men.

...Except there's the quote to discern context, which we've both so-helpfully made an accidental example of here. Referencing a post number or a concept also works a treat.

I asked because people usually realize 'all information is a stream that you have to pick apart yourself in some fashion' is par for the course after a certain adultish point. How the info is shared isn't really why the forum has been dwindling over the years, which doesn't have much to do with the applications in use but more the views on display.

Me, I dislike nested commentary but the 'why' is too long to post. That said, it can have it's charms. There's issues with every communication style I've ever come across, has nothing to do with context and everything to do with humanity's inept modes of understanding information, its organization & its dispersal.

 

[luckynumbah7]

-On the upside I managed to not post the 'lil lengthly list of what I find deplorable about nesting commentary. Rather smug about that.

 

[ballcaphair]

-On the upside I managed to not post the 'lil lengthly list of what I find deplorable about nesting commentary. Rather smug about that.

^ Exactly. A thread or post can be provocative. How we respond is on us. Personally, I try not to be emotionally invested in my response. It clouds the reception and transmission.

 

[NotHardUp1]

With Peterson it all comes down to women getting back in the kitchen to free up jobs for men.

Did he propose that in something he said? What gave you the impression that he is against women achieving status in the workaday world? The interviews I have heard him give support women following any opportunity they choose.

 

[pat grimshaw]

...With Peterson it all comes down to women getting back in the kitchen....

Give us the link for where he says that.