Judge drops bomb on Hillary's cohort at the state department over her secret emails

[jbrown329]

why are Hillary people so obsessed with congress. I have only one answer, cynicism towards Sanders.

Oh it will never happen because it will never happen! Fine, vote for Hillary. I cant argue with that logic.

And just who will you vote for if Hillary is the candidate? I'm a Bernie supporter, I felt the bern early on. Should Hillary be the nominee, she will get my full support, my vote and what little money I can scrape together for her campaign.

I've already sent Bernie a few bucks.

 

[rareboy]

^ No Evanrick

It isn't an obsession with Congress. It is realpolitik.

It recognizes that the US system is so broken that it is now possible for the legislative branch to destroy Federalism.

And to paralyze any action that would result in real change.

Look what they did to the Guantanamo commitment.

One of the monuments to the inability of an executive branch to achieve a single, simple objective.

Over an 8 year period.

 

[evanrick]

And just who will you vote for if Hillary is the candidate? I'm a Bernie supporter, I felt the bern early on. Should Hillary be the nominee, she will get my full support, my vote and what little money I can scrape together for her campaign.

I've already sent Bernie a few bucks.

Not talking about all progressives. Hillary doesn't have many of the benefits that Obama did in 2008. And with Trump being an added factor I look at who is appealing to independent and republican voters.

 

[Alnitak]

why are Hillary people so obsessed with congress. I have only one answer, cynicism towards Sanders.

Oh it will never happen because it will never happen! Fine, vote for Hillary. I cant argue with that logic.

You didn't answer the question, just more emotional appeals.

How is Bernie supposed to get his proposals passed in a conservative Congress?

I'll answer that for you: He won't.

Revolution needs to happen in that body or else Bernie is just full of hot air.

 

[evanrick]

^ No Evanrick

It isn't an obsession with Congress. It is realpolitik.

It recognizes that the US system is so broken that it is now possible for the legislative branch to destroy Federalism.

And to paralyze any action that would result in real change.

Look what they did to the Guantanamo commitment.

One of the monuments to the inability of an executive branch to achieve a single, simple objective.

Over an 8 year period.

I don't understand the premise that voting for sanders equates to supporting the status quo in washington dc. That is very counter intuitive.

You do know that DC is the establishment? Hillary Clinton lived in the White House for 8 years and never once stopped to think about telling Bill to not sign DOMA or welfare reform or repeal of glass stegall, then she went on to work for wall street and the military industrial complex as a 'senator' from new york?

I dont see congress as an immutable obstacle, we elect congress the same time we elect presidents. I dont subscribe to a defeatist attitude.

 

[evanrick]

You didn't answer the question, just more emotional appeals.

How is Bernie supposed to get his proposals passed in a conservative Congress?

I'll answer that for you: He won't.

Revolution needs to happen in that body or else Bernie is just full of hot air.

I dont get where you are coming from. Your acting like Hillary has some special pixie dust to do congress what she wants, that's delusional. If your argument is that, then wouldnt the same argument be made against any democrat? yeah cant go along with that attitude that 'no we cant', that includes congress, and is precisely what Sanders has been saying for the past 25 years while Hillary was ripping to shreds consumer protections, voting to invade Iraq and not supporting gay marriage or opposing TPP except where it was convenient. We live on different worlds clearly.

 

[Alnitak]

I dont see congress as an immutable obstacle...

Oh, well then we should have a new justice in no time Right?

Reality check, it is an immutable obstacle and it was an immutable obstacle in the 111th Congress even with a Democratic majority.

we elect congress the same time we elect presidents.

Except that we don't elect them in the same way.

The president is elected at large. Congressmen are elected in districts. It's an inherently broken system that should have been dealt with in the 12th Amendment.

 

[Alnitak]

I dont get where you are coming from. Your acting like Hillary has some special pixie dust to do congress what she wants, that's delusional. If your argument is that, then wouldnt the same argument be made against any democrat? yeah cant go along with that attitude that 'no we cant', that includes congress, and is precisely what Sanders has been saying for the past 25 years while Hillary was ripping to shreds consumer protections, voting to invade Iraq and not supporting gay marriage or opposing TPP except where it was convenient. We live on different worlds clearly.

That's not what I said. You aren't listening.

I think you need to calm down before you pass out.

 

[TX-Beau]

I dont get where you are coming from. Your acting like Hillary has some special pixie dust to do congress what she wants, that's delusional. If your argument is that, then wouldnt the same argument be made against any democrat? yeah cant go along with that attitude that 'no we cant', that includes congress, and is precisely what Sanders has been saying for the past 25 years while Hillary was ripping to shreds consumer protections, voting to invade Iraq and not supporting gay marriage or opposing TPP except where it was convenient. We live on different worlds clearly.

Nobody cares what you have to say about Hilary. Your continued evasions about what Bernie's plans are, make probably all of us wonder if you just hate Hilary for personal reasons and don't really know anything about Bernie whatsoever.

NO MATTER WHAT Hilary may or may not do, you seem to be completely ignorant of anything Bernie has to say, and deflecting the question isn't a very compelling argument now is it.

Which is it? ARE YOUR TRYING TO GAIN SUPPORT FOR BERNIE? Or are you just looking to be nasty about Hilary?

 

[palemale]

Remember how democrats blew it out of proportion when someone in the Bush administration let slip that Valerie Plame was a CIA paper pusher in VA. Hillary's violation sent hundreds of secrets by private email, easily hackable by Russians, Chinese etc. Liddy was indicted and sentenced for whar he did. What will happen to her if nondemocrats take over the department of Justice.

I always thought that the main problem with Hillary Clinton's use of the private server was that, it seemed to me, it would be a per se violation of FOIA because, unless every single email sent to and received in the private server were also copied to an email account on a government server, FOIA requests could not be honored because a FOIA officer charged with responding would not know of these emails.

That being said, it's important to point out that this lawsuit, even if Judicial Watch were to be successful, would result in little more than an injunction issued to the defendants, including the State Department, not to do it again. This would be an extremely important outcome, mind you, because transparency and compliance with FOIA is a critical aspect of a mature and functioning democracy.

Therefore, no one will end up in jail as a result of this lawsuit, no one will have to pay money damages, and no one will be barred from being elected to or serving in any government position. This is not the case involving the FBI or any criminal investigation.

In this regard, it is a much less serious thing than any outing Valerie Plame. No let slip anything in that case. That was a deliberate and intentional act that ruined her career as a covert CIA agent and was political payback for what her husband did. Of course, I would never expect any intellectual honesty from Benvolio.

 

[Alnitak]

I dont see congress as an immutable obstacle, we elect congress the same time we elect presidents. I dont subscribe to a defeatist attitude.

You seem to have the mistaken impression that Congress is in some way bound to the president's agenda just because he is elected.

 

[rareboy]

I don't understand the premise that voting for sanders equates to supporting the status quo in washington dc. That is very counter intuitive.

You do know that DC is the establishment? Hillary Clinton lived in the White House for 8 years and never once stopped to think about telling Bill to not sign DOMA or welfare reform or repeal of glass stegall, then she went on to work for wall street and the military industrial complex as a 'senator' from new york?

I dont see congress as an immutable obstacle, we elect congress the same time we elect presidents. I dont subscribe to a defeatist attitude.

Believe me.

There's nothing more that I would like to see than Bernie Sanders as President.

Failing that, there's no one I would rather see than Hillary Clinton as President.

 

[evanrick]

Oh, well then we should have a new justice in no time Right?

Reality check, it is an immutable obstacle and it was an immutable obstacle in the 111th Congress even with a Democratic majority.

Believing congress to be immutable is a characteristic of cynicism just fyi. But lets go by your assertion that congress has all the power in the world, even if it did the president had zero chance of getting an appointment to the court, your argument is that he shouldn't even try.

This is they cynicism i was talking about, i made an entire thread about it a month ago, and it just seems to never go away.

East coast people are obsessed with cynicism, obsessed with congress. I really think it has to do with proximity to DC and the influence of military contractors and government agencies that this attitude is so pervasive in Hillary land.

 

[evanrick]

You seem to have the mistaken impression that Congress is in some way bound to the president's agenda just because he is elected.

Presidents do, its called politics. I cannot believe you are suggesting that the presidents choice should be to never act on anything because of the remote possibility that his or her agenda may or may not succeed? That is a recipe for failure.

The allure of cynicism it seems to be is to discharge personal responsibility in the hopes of external change, that way a cynic can blame other people when something they support never happens, yet take no external actions to see that nothing OR anything happens, therefore their cynical attitude is affirmed no matter the outcome.

Fine, if that makes people feel good then so be it.

Take no action at all, as you suggest Obama does on his court nominee, because there might be a chance he wont get to make an appointment at all? You tell that to Obama and the millions of Americans who would most definately suffer if he doesnt TRY!

 

[Alnitak]

I am unable to continue a conversation that consists of engaging in my motivations rather than my talking points.

You can scream at me until you're blue in the face for all I care, but I'm off to dinner. Ciao!

 

[jbrown329]

You didn't answer the question, just more emotional appeals.

How is Bernie supposed to get his proposals passed in a conservative Congress?

I'll answer that for you: He won't.

Revolution needs to happen in that body or else Bernie is just full of hot air.

And if Congress remains the way it is, absolutely nothing, be it Bernie or Hillary will get through. None of it.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

And if Congress remains the way it is, absolutely nothing, be it Bernie or Hillary will get through. None of it.

Yea I honestly don't know why this is just a criticism against Bernie.

And I really do hope people vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is. If you don't you might as well just vote for the Trump or Cruz.

 

[TX-Beau]

Yea I honestly don't know why this is just a criticism against Bernie.

And I really do hope people vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is. If you don't you might as well just vote for the Trump or Cruz.

Because the whole argument for Bernie is that he is somehow going to change things.

 

[TX-Beau]

That might be a good reason to vote FOR Bernie if it came with a large number of congressmen/women on board the change train, but what Bernie is going to inspire should he get elected, is moderate Democrats in red states fleeing for their lives.

I don't want to see a White House crippled because it can't even get a majority of it's own party - and that's assuming Bernie doesn't mean a Republican victory.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Because the whole argument for Bernie is that he is somehow going to change things.

Not really a good answer. If Hillary can't get through things either, then the criticism isn't a fair one and is just a moot point being made over and over.