Judge just ruled baker can deny making cake for gay couple

[Dominus]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...e-rules/ar-BBINNml?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

Forcing a baker to provide a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage over her religious objections violates her right to free speech, a California judge has ruled.

Thank you, judge!

As an atheist, I certainly don't want any religious person to bend over backward for me. The gay couples who have sued really need to stop making a scene out of this issue. We got marriage. We've won. Let's move on to more important issues.

 

[Telstra]

So if the baker don't want to sell cakes to anyone
just because of his/her religious belief, is it ok ??

 

[eastofeden]

She needs to hang a sign in her window stating she will not serve gay people.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

She needs to hang a sign in her window stating she will not serve gay people.

No dogs, gay people or Telstra...

 

[nyctopgam]

She needs to hang a sign in her window stating she will not serve gay people.

Agreed. And whoever else she will not serve. Potential customers should be notified/warned.

What's this country come to....

 

[Alistair]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...e-rules/ar-BBINNml?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp



Thank you, judge!

As an atheist, I certainly don't want any religious person to bend over backward for me. The gay couples who have sued really need to stop making a scene out of this issue. We got marriage. We've won. Let's move on to more important issues.

No it sets back gay rights for years. Now people like that bitch in Kentucky can deny a marriage license on religious grounds.

 

[Dominus]

No it sets back gay rights for years. Now people like that bitch in Kentucky can deny a marriage license on religious grounds.

I see the cake as a distraction. If we must fight for the marriage licence, then let's fight for it. Fighting over the cake is kind of silly.

 

[nyctopgam]

I see the cake as a distraction. If we must fight for the marriage licence, then let's fight for it. Fighting over the cake is kind of silly.

Symbols have power. If one fights, fight on all fronts. Allow nothing.

 

[gsdx]

Didn't Trump just pass something to make discrimination legal on religious grounds?

 

[HoodedRat]

Personally I can't see why anyone would want to do business with people like that. I certainly would not want to have any food prepared by people who hate me for who I am. Why give your money to those who clearly despise you?

But does this ruling now mean that non-religious people could opt to deny services to the religious? Or that followers of one religion can refuse to serve members of a rival religion?

 

[gsdx]

But does this ruling now mean that non-religious people could opt to deny services to the religious? Or that followers of one religion can refuse to serve members of a rival religion?

It's a precedent now. Anyone can deny anyone else services because of their religious beliefs. So, a Protestant can deny Catholics wearing a crucifix or Jew wearing yarmulkes or any other religion.

That thing I mentioned in #9 was actually the despicable act of health care workers being able to deny health care to anyone based upon their religious beliefs and the Trump administration will back them up:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...kers-who-reject-patients-on-religious-grounds

 

[Dominus]

It's a precedent now. Anyone can deny anyone else services because of their religious beliefs. So, a Protestant can deny Catholics wearing a crucifix or Jew wearing yarmulkes or any other religion.

That thing I mentioned in #9 was actually the despicable act of health care workers being able to deny health care to anyone based upon their religious beliefs and the Trump administration will back them up:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...kers-who-reject-patients-on-religious-grounds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyra_Hunter

 

[opinterph]

Ruling On Order To Show Cause In Re: Preliminary Injunction; Filed By Plaintiff Department Of Fair Housing; Heretofore Submitted On [February] 2, 2018

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

This is all dumb.

You’re in a business to make money and you’re hurting your business by limiting your customer pool because of your own sensibilities.

As much as I don’t want to force a place a business to do what they don’t want to do, I think it’s completely unprofessional you can’t leave your religion at home.

As a vegetarian it would be like me working at a restaurant and not serving someone because they ordered meat. I put myself in that position where I would have to deal with customers like that. They need to get over themselves, your religion is dumb.

There is also better battles to fight over than where I should be able to get a gay wedding cake.

 

[opinterph]

This California (Tastries Bakery) case is remarkably similar to Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission in which the Supreme Court heard oral arguments on December 5th. (The Tastries Bakery case included a referral to another business that would be willing to satisfy the customers’ request without being offended.)

Some employees — mostly decorators — formed an underground “pipeline” to help same-sex couples get wedding cakes made, Salinas said. They hid same-sex order forms then would fill the orders and try to get the cakes delivered without being caught.

Lesbian couple rejected by Tastries Bakery says they will pursue legal action (Bakersfield.com; August 31, 2017)

 

[gsdx]

This is all dumb.

You’re in a business to make money and you’re hurting your business by limiting your customer pool because of your own sensibilities.

It is stupid, isn't it? Not only are they shooting themselves in the foot, they're sending business to their competition. Still, it's a private business, and if it's the policy of that business to discriminate, then they are responsible for their own losses. However, if an employee decides to discriminate, that's another matter.

It's still another matter when it's an employee of the town, city, or state who discriminates. Think: Kim Davis. She should have been fired the instant it became known what she did, and the fact that she wasn't fired sows a failure in the system. If you can't (or won't) do the job, you shouldn't have it.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Is there some way we could work the now-perennial cake threads into are cut-uncut debate. There should be a fair number of people who want a cake uncut.

 

[Cormac135]

Is there some way we could work the now-perennial cake threads into are cut-uncut debate. There should be a fair number of people who want a cake uncut.

No disrespect to the OP but i've heard enough of these cunting baker threads to last me three lifetimes.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Most of the threads in hot topics are clutter, at least with this there is something to actually discuss.

 

[Cormac135]

Most of the threads in hot topics are clutter, at least with this there is something to actually discuss.

Was that a dig at my threads.

If people want to go over the same subject for the 10th time, have at it.