Judge Orders New Jersey to Recognize Same Sex Marriage

[Kulindahr]

Re: NJ Judge Orders Statewide Marriage Equality!

Sorry but that statement is utter bullshit. Civil rights enjoyed a 80 to 82 percent margin of favor-ability in republican ranks.

Thanks for doing that so tidily.

 

[Ninja108]

Re: NJ Judge Orders Statewide Marriage Equality!

Here's hoping the veto is overriden.
Also,as others have stated,there were many Republicans who were for the Civil Rights Act while Democrats were opposed to it. Once it passed,most of them left to join the Republican party we know today.
One final thing,gay marriage will be legal in MA for a decade by this time next year. SOmething Mitt Romney did his best to stop and block once it happened.
Looking back at the history of that,there is no doubt if he had been elected when DOMA was overturned,he would have done everything he could to make it as difficult as possible for us.

 

[Rolyo85]

I disagree. I am fairly certain he would have let it go. He never truly cared.

 

[Alnitak]

Christie's a fool for vowing to appeal. Didn't the state Supreme Court already order that same-sex couples had to get all the same privileges and benefits that opposite-sex couples get? So long as gays are stuck with civil unions, that order is made void -- so the conclusion is a slam-dunk: civil unions have to become marriages.

Yes, in Lewis v. Harris (2006).

The decision was mandatory on Judge Jacobson, and since there were no disputed material facts, there was no reasonable ruling but summary judgment.

Trial courts in New Jersey cannot stay summary judgments, so we will have to see in the next three weeks if there will be one.

I have a friend on the board of Garden State Equality and he is also an attorney in New Jersey. His opinion is that there will be a very high bar for Christie in order to get a stay. He must show a likelihood to succeed on the merits, public interest, and public harm.

The legislature had a chance to do the right thing and failed. Now we see Christie simply delaying the inevitable.
I hope the legislature simply overides his veto but if they don't,the courts will do it for them and without the religious protections AKA we want to discrimimate and get punished for it language put in.

The legislature did do what was right; the veto override is still pending.

 

[T-Rexx]

Re: NJ Judge Orders Statewide Marriage Equality!

Sorry but that statement is utter bullshit. Civil rights enjoyed a 80 to 82 percent margin of favor-ability in republican ranks.

The vote does not accurately reflect the story of the civil rights movement in America.

Civil rights became a Democratic Party movement officially during the 1948 Democratic National Convention, when Hubert Humphrey called on the party to "get out of the shadow of states' rights and walk forthrightly into the bright sunshine of human rights." That famously caused the southern Democrats to walk out of the convention in disgust, and ripped the Democratic Party in two: northern Democrats and "Dixiecrats."

The Dixiecrats were Democrats on paper, but vehemently opposed the party's embracing of the civil rights movement. They voted against their party on civil rights issues, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964. While it is certainly true that the Dixiecrats were Democrats, they were Democrats who rejected their own party's official platform and ideals. Robert Byrd - a Democrat - famously filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964. But he did so without the support of his own party. Byrd even founded a chapter of the KKK in West Virginia. But that does not mean he had his party's support in this endeavor.

Nixon exploited the rift in the Democratic Party with his famous "southern strategy." By appealing to southern racism - and opposing civil rights - Republicans managed to turn a solidly Democratic south into a solidly Republican south. The Republican Party platform officially supported the civil rights movement in 1960. By 1964, all language of civil rights was stripped from the party platform. The subject is not mentioned in the Republican platform of 1964! That's almost unbelievable. It was the height of the civil rights movement which was ripping America apart, and Republicans could not bring themselves to say they supported it. Similarly, in 1968, there is no mention of civil rights in the Republican Party platform.

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It is not an accident that Republicans somehow failed to mention the most significant domestic issue of the 20th century in their platforms after 1960. After 1960, the Republican Party increasingly attempted to divorce itself from the civil rights movement in order to appeal to southern sympathies.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was called for by president Kennedy in his speech of June 11, 1963. It was written by a committee headed by Robert Kennedy. It was implemented by president Johnson. While the bill enjoyed considerable bipartisan support, it was most definitely a Democratic bill. And, after 1964, it was a bill from which Republicans increasingly tried to separate themselves.

If you had walked into the home of a black family in the 1960s, it would have been very common to see a portrait of president Kennedy hanging on the wall of that home. They knew who were their friends. And it was not the Republican Party.

 

[Kulindahr]

Just as a matter of interest, when Humphrey invoked human rights, he meant as part of it the Second Amendment individual right of ownership and use of firearms.

If liberals today would just go back to that, the Republicans would lose the House next time without doubt.

 

[scream4ever]

Christie is asking for the Supreme Court to issue a ruling quickly. I wonder why that is

 

[Kulindahr]

Christie is asking for the Supreme Court to issue a ruling quickly. I wonder why that is

He wants to look bold?

 

[scream4ever]

I meant he wants it over with ASAP lol

 

[Ninja108]

The only question about marriage equality in NJ is what number they will be.

 

[T-Rexx]

Just as a matter of interest, when Humphrey invoked human rights, he meant as part of it the Second Amendment individual right of ownership and use of firearms.

Good grief, Kuli. Everything is guns with you and every turn of American history is proof that no power on earth may ever stop you from threatening to shoot people.


Here is the speech:

Here is the text of the speech:

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/huberthumphey1948dnc.html



This speech is historically credited with the start the civil rights movement in America. It does not mention the word "gun" even once or refer even vaguely to the second amendment. The southern delegates did not walk out of the convention because they were so vehemently anti-gun.

all people -- get this -- all people, white and black, all groups, all racial groups have been the victims at time in this nation of -- let me say -- vicious discrimination.

He did not proclaim that all the white, or the black, or the red, or the yellow men are equal; that all Christian or Jewish men are equal; that all Protestant and Catholic men are equal; that all rich and poor men are equal; that all good and bad men are equal. What he declared was that all men are equal; and the equality which he proclaimed was the equality in the right to enjoy the blessings of free government in which they may participate and to which they have given their support.

My friends, to those who say that we are rushing this issue of civil rights, I say to them we are 172 years late. To those who say that this civil-rights program is an infringement on states’ rights, I say this: The time has arrived in America for the Democratic Party to get out of the shadow of states' rights and to walk forthrightly into the bright sunshine of human rights.

Get a grip.

 

[Alnitak]

The only question about marriage equality in NJ is what number they will be.

New Mexico has started granting legal marriages in those counties with court orders. If they stand, then New Mexico stays as #14

If there is no stay in GSE v. Dow, then New Jersey will become #15

Hawaii is going to follow as #16 in the first week of November

Illinois if they go for absolute passage will become #17

 

[Kulindahr]

Good grief, Kuli. Everything is guns with you and every turn of American history is proof that no power on earth may ever stop you from threatening to shoot people.

Just reminding today's liberals that they have betrayed true liberalism.

And all you can do is lie.

 

[Ninja108]

Just reminding today's liberals that they have betrayed true liberalism.

And all you can do is lie.

And that has what to do with this thread?