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Judge Rules Don't Ask/Don't Tell Policy Unconstitutional

I wonder if the government will appeal the ruling and risk opening the flood gates or do they just drop don't tell / don't ask? Either way, it's a big victory.
 
Unclean said:
No way in hell.
Don't expect any legislative action out of Congress prior to Nov 2 (Election Day).
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I don't really see how it is that controversial of a position.

The 25% of the country that still thinks this is a good policy is never going to vote for a Democrat anyway, so I don't really think there is much potential for any negative repercussions for the leadership.
 
okay - so do they CHANGE the "General" or other discharges of gays who were found out - to "honorable" now?
 
Conscription is still banned. And still will be. Unless you actually enlist, you're not gonna have to worry.
 
RazorzEdge88 said:
That's the kind of line that people will believe. "Gee, the economy needs fixing and they're worrying about the 'gay agenda'?" Never mind that it's entirely possible to take on the whole ball of wax; we can't appease them queers until the economy is in pristine condition, there are no internal or external national security threats, and everyone is holding hands and singing Kumbaya. #-o
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Fuck that, when the economy was in better condition, the GOP had nothing to go by BUT making gay people miserable. They only slightly deviated from that during our current economy.
 
Unclean said:
If DADT goes to a vote in the Senate before election day, it will guarantee that conservatives will turn out in droves to cast their votes against "the liberal agenda," sealing a net win for conservatives, as the progressives and moderates stay at home.
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My point is that's already going to happen. Those people are not voting for Democrats anyway whether or not DADT gets a vote.

The problem is that the Democratic base is not engaged while the Republican one is.

There is nothing that can be done to make the Republican base not engaged at this point, but actually completing one of Obama's major campaign promises could serve to engage at least some Democrats.
 
This judge made the right choice. Bet it has the far right PO.
 
RazorzEdge88 said:
Here's the thing.

The risk is not in the policy itself, but in the narrative it allows Republicans to create.

There's a great deal of ignorance out there. A lot of very sly conservatives have managed to claim that any attempt by Congress or the President to repeal DADT is a "distraction" and "improper prioritization."

That's the kind of line that people will believe. "Gee, the economy needs fixing and they're worrying about the 'gay agenda'?" Never mind that it's entirely possible to take on the whole ball of wax; we can't appease them queers until the economy is in pristine condition, there are no internal or external national security threats, and everyone is holding hands and singing Kumbaya. #-o
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Properly, it's worries over NATIONAL SECURITY, with national security being compromised by spending money on thousands of enlistees who end up getting kicked out, including those with exemplary service credentials, and sometimes with skills which are of exceptional importance. Think of the English-Arab linguists who just happened to be gay, and who got kicked out. It's possible that retaining them COULD have prevented a ghastly event which will observe an anniversary within the next few hours...IF indeed the even more obvious evidence would have been heeded after all.

But I have my doubts that would have happened, as I strongly believe that no amount of hard evidence would have convinced some powerful people to change their minds about "just letting it happen" - but that's the topic of other threads that already exist in another much more confrontational Forum at this site.

Of course, nearly none of the media would actually emphasize the "national security" implications of actually retaining all of those with the needed skills and desired work ethic. MSNBC might, and maybe the Lehrer News Hour might, but who else in the "mainstream" would? Most of the media (especially talk radio!!!) would just say that the evil Barack HUSSEIN Obama is tryin' to appease 'dem Ho-Moh-Seck-Chools.
 
For those of you who didn't know, the lawsuit the judge ruled on was filed by a gay Republican organization called the Log Cabin Republicans. They filed the suit in 2004 on behalf of several of their members who left the military because of DADT.

The link to LCR...........................

http://online.logcabin.org/

The link to the court ruling............

http://online.logcabin.org/dadt-9-9-2010-decision.pdf


Interesting that it was a Republican group that filed and funded the lawsuit. We will see if the Obama Justice Department pursues an appeal of the case to the district level and finally to SCOTUS.
 
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