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Just need a simple answer for a simple question.

dpnice said:
Well they should have done. :D
"She" and "the cat's mother" is also, or was, widely applied when I was a young man living in England.
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maybe so. I find it more pretentious and rude to correct someone when they are speaking than the actual act of making a grammatical error. People get punched in the face for calling attention to such trivial shit around here.
 
jensu846 said:
maybe so. I find it more pretentious and rude to correct someone when they are speaking than the actual act of making a grammatical error. People get punched in the face for calling attention to such trivial shit around here.
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Of course it all depends on whom you are correcting or on the person doing the correcting. My friends, work colleagues and teachers all corrected me and friends still do, as I do as well; so I am unlikely to get punched in the face for calling attention to this sort of "trivial shit".

I don't usually walk around the streets correcting the speech of complete strangers. :D
 
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_coor futures up ands down ans ooh noooooo_
coor supa supa supa rich fun fare

_pizza_
lucky folk no idea wot pizza is
_tittars_

thankyou
 
Legionair said:
I know I don't initiate conversation a lot on here but I thought while I'm drinking a couple of glasses of champagne that I'd ask something directed mostly to the Americans on JUB concerning whether or not the truth of the matter was on a subject that not only myself but anyone around me hearing it on let's say television in Australia will always remarks upon. It's not a very convoluted question.

I hear Americans often say "Me and Karen" or "Me and Rodger". Now if you were to use the same in school (even very early education) it would always be picked up upon immediately as incorrect speech and then re-directed to correctly saying "Karen and I" or Rodger and I".
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It would depend on placement in the sentence. Karen and I are going to the beach. Fred showed up at the beach and joined me and Karen. You don't join I at the beach. Me doesn't go to the beach.

Also, in OZ, if you were to say the word "she" in a sentence (depending on the setting) it also wouldn't be considered polite. The first words you would hear out of your mother or teacher or Aunt or next door neighbour would be that "SHE is the cats mother" (maybe it's an Aussie saying? UK Jubbers?). Meaning "she" is nobody, so who exactly are you referring to and by what correct name are you supposed to refer to her by?. Mrs Jones? Dr Peterson? Ms Black?
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Depending on who she is...... One could say she or, if the proper name is known, one could also use that. It would depend on whether the speaker made it clear who the she in the sentence is referring to. Who do these cats belong to? She is the cats' mother. Doesn't make a lick of sense. Why is Miss Smith here? She is the cats' mother. We know who she is.

I know this is boring conversation but I've always wanted to know if because we have so much US TV here is it lazy vernacular or just a difference of culture?[/QUOTE]
 
As a boy in the States it was drummed in to me to never say "me and Kevin" I would be corrected with "Kevin and I"
Also the "she" thing was brought up, I once referred to my mother as "she" to an old lady that was our neighbor, she promptly corrected me, ha ha, I called her she:p
 
jensu846 said:
I have never heard that using the word "She" or He" is impolite. Its normal from where I am from to use it. Same with "me & Kevin" etc.. For example, If somebody asked me who went to the lake this afternoon, I would respond with, "Me & Kevin" and nobody would correct my speech.
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"Me and Kevin" is most definitely incorrect, but it has become widespread here that I guess it is considered "acceptable."

Just like "pled" ("Kevin pled guilty to the crime") is incorrect, though it is very widely used, even semi-officially. The correct word is PLEADED, of course.

I steadfastly refuse to say PLED, ever...the word just "grates on me" for some reason - almost as much as hearing somebody say Frisco for San Francisco.
 
In school in the US, I was always taught to say "Kevin and I" and I am pretty sure thats what most people learn in school.
 
Every time someone uses 'Me and...', a kitten dies.

I want to slap people who use this upside the head until it clears their brain of that nonsense.

I notice that it generally is an affectation of the 'ME, ME, ME' generations since they have been trained that the universe revolves around them first and then the Sun.
 
Legionair said:
I know I don't initiate conversation a lot on here but I thought while I'm drinking a couple of glasses of champagne that I'd ask something directed mostly to the Americans on JUB concerning whether or not the truth of the matter was on a subject that not only myself but anyone around me hearing it on let's say television in Australia will always remarks upon. It's not a very convoluted question.

I hear Americans often say "Me and Karen" or "Me and Rodger". Now if you were to use the same in school (even very early education) it would always be picked up upon immediately as incorrect speech and then re-directed to correctly saying "Karen and I" or Rodger and I".

Is it the same in the states? or is it considered correct vernacular to use a persons name before your own?

Also, in OZ, if you were to say the word "she" in a sentence (depending on the setting) it also wouldn't be considered polite. The first words you would hear out of your mother or teacher or Aunt or next door neighbour would be that "SHE is the cats mother" (maybe it's an Aussie saying? UK Jubbers?). Meaning "she" is nobody, so who exactly are you referring to and by what correct name are you supposed to refer to her by?. Mrs Jones? Dr Peterson? Ms Black?

I know this is boring conversation but I've always wanted to know if because we have so much US TV here is it lazy vernacular or just a difference of culture?
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Perhaps booze is the excuse for all of the mistakes in the opening post.

If we are to overlook your spelling, grammar, typing, etc. mistakes/differences, I believe you should be willing to do the same for others.

You'll be fine.
 
^ In Champagne Veritas.

BTW what are you imbibing? I have been waiting to crack open the bottle of Dom from the cellar....but never drink champagne on my own.
 
Yes, but it is a rule of etiquette, not a rule of grammar. "Me and Kevin "went or "Kevin and me" went are bad grammar.
Look on the internet for the difference between subjective or nominative case versus objective case. I and he are nominative, acting, nouns. Him and her are objective, to whom thing are done. I gave a ride to her. Me did not give a ride to she.
 
Legionair said:
I know I don't initiate conversation a lot on here but I thought while I'm drinking a couple of glasses of champagne that I'd ask something directed mostly to the Americans on JUB concerning whether or not the truth of the matter was on a subject that not only myself but anyone around me hearing it on let's say television in Australia will always remarks upon. It's not a very convoluted question.

I hear Americans often say "Me and Karen" or "Me and Rodger". Now if you were to use the same in school (even very early education) it would always be picked up upon immediately as incorrect speech and then re-directed to correctly saying "Karen and I" or Rodger and I".

Is it the same in the states? or is it considered correct vernacular to use a persons name before your own?

Also, in OZ, if you were to say the word "she" in a sentence (depending on the setting) it also wouldn't be considered polite. The first words you would hear out of your mother or teacher or Aunt or next door neighbour would be that "SHE is the cats mother" (maybe it's an Aussie saying? UK Jubbers?). Meaning "she" is nobody, so who exactly are you referring to and by what correct name are you supposed to refer to her by?. Mrs Jones? Dr Peterson? Ms Black?

I know this is boring conversation but I've always wanted to know if because we have so much US TV here is it lazy vernacular or just a difference of culture?
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I would say it depends on the context
It is perfectly acceptable to say 'do you know me and Karen?'
But then you should say 'Karen and I would love to come'

The rule I was taught was take away the other person and see if it sounds right
i.e 'Do you know me?' and 'I would love to come'
 
Me and Karen is normal in conversational American.

She is fine as long as it's established as to who you are referring to.
 
frankfrank said:
"Me and Kevin" is most definitely incorrect, but it has become widespread here that I guess it is considered "acceptable."

Just like "pled" ("Kevin pled guilty to the crime") is incorrect, though it is very widely used, even semi-officially. The correct word is PLEADED, of course.

I steadfastly refuse to say PLED, ever...the word just "grates on me" for some reason - almost as much as hearing somebody say Frisco for San Francisco.
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And yet you said pled three times in your post! :lol: :p You are being accused of not following your own commitments, how do you plea? :rotflmao:
 
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_hohohoho_

idia ans media ans udia ans wot oda 1?
_teydia_

ooh da a 1

anyway most a defienantly a sumthang
_yea vary moist_
110%
_ooh nooooo_

nothin
_you is condem hang until ya I drop out ya gob if ya nod rop out ya gob ya no me_
*ooh sound fair*

thankyou
 
Me and Kevin is wrong and my father would correct me. It should be Kevin and I. I have never heard anything wrong about saying she went to the beach as long as it was obvious who she was. There is a lot of incorrect English spoken in the U.S.
 
As subjects, it is 'Kevin and I': Kevin and I went to the movies. (Doers.)
As objects, it is 'Kevin and me': They went to the movies with Kevin and me. (Doees.)

In either case, the other person ALWAYS comes first.
 
gsdx said:
As subjects, it is 'Kevin and I': Kevin and I went to the movies. (Doers.)
As objects, it is 'Kevin and me': They went to the movies with Kevin and me. (Doees.)

In either case, the other person ALWAYS comes first.
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That's always been my goal................:D
 
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