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just need to get something off my chest...

I would love to hear his side of this. He probably got this new job to get far away from whatever you are pulling.

His job with me is part-time and only $9 an hour. He has an opportunity for a full-time, better-paying job that is actually in his degree field. That is why he's changing jobs.

Oh, and also: Christian and I will still remain close. He isn't moving out of Memphis, just changing jobs. He's already said he'll swing by the shop on his way home from to work to see me because it will be on his way home. Also, we basically live right around the corner from each other so we'll definitely be spending time together.

He knows I love him as a friend, and by his own admission the feeling is mutual.

There just isn't any opportunity for a friends-with-benefits type of arrangement. I'd rather keep our relationship as it is than press him for more and risk damaging things. I haven't said anything about it yet and I have no plans to.
I just needed to tell someone how I was feeling. I needed someone to talk to. Instead, I get my intelligence insulted.

Thank you to the guys who have replied with private messages of encouragement. They are definitely appreciated. (*8*)
 
I just needed to tell someone how I was feeling. I needed someone to talk to. Instead, I get my intelligence insulted.

Thank you to the guys who have replied with private messages of encouragement. They are definitely appreciated. (*8*)

Well I won't bother with a PM of encouragement. I just tell you right from here! :) Your a lucky person! Your doing the right thing. All you wanted to do was get this off your chest and have somebody say it's okay....but once again the masses attack a guy just asking a simple question.

Ignore them. I'm sure alot of them wished they had this closeness with a male straight friend. I know I don't have such closeness with my male straight friends. Your lucky and don't you forget that!

Also just ignore the bad comments...I'm sure there just jealous! ;)
 
Sorry you're going through this.

You need to just let him go. It's hard to do, but you must do it. It's a good thing he's getting a new job. You need space from him.

One thing to consider: You seem awfully picky about gay guys who have "issues", but by your own admission (first post) you state you are subject to depression. That's a pretty big issue in my book.

Perhaps if you weren't so judgmental. Listen to what G-Lex said. And good luck.
 
I stand by what I wrote ad understand every word that I read. Are you a big butch man? Just curious.
 
Frankly, a person can't help who he or she is drawn to. It has to do with certain personality traits that the individual finds attractive. We don't intentionally set out to fall for someone we're sexually incompatible with.
In my own personal experience, the gay men I have known are far too wrapped up in being walking gay stereotypes for me to really find them attractive.
I'm drawn to guys who are masculine, who don't have 47 different skin and hair care products in their medicine cabinets and who don't have a song from 'Wicked' or 'Rent' as their ringtone on their cellphone. I'm more interested in discussing the latest kaiju DVD release than I am in discussing the latest episode of 'American Idol'. I'd rather flood my brain with a good book of philosophical thought than with a haze of Ecstasy or coke. When I think of a Goddess I think of Sekhmet, Oya, or Kali, not Martha Stewart, Kathy Lee Griffin or Paris Hilton.
Understand what I'm saying?
The guys who hold the qualities and interests I am drawn to invariably turn out to be straight. I have never met a gay man yet who does. It's not like I say, "Oh, I'm gonna pick out a hot straight dude to fall for."
It doesn't exactly work that way.

Dude - I know exactly where your coming from, and I agree with most of what you said. I myself am attracted to, I guess you could say, more "masculine" guys, simply because that's -what- I'm attracted to. There's really no rhyme or reason to it - femine men just don't do it for me. I'm attracted to men who are proud of being men and who want to be men - not men who wish they were women.

However.

That's not to say that a masculine man can't enjoy watching American Idol every once in a while or care about what he looks like. I don't think that because a man might like to watch shows like American Idol or might want his hair to look nice every now and then automatically makes him unmasculine. Maybe less masculine than other straight, heterosexual men, sure - but he can still be masculine and enjoy those things (and I'm not saying that's what you were saying - I'm just stating a personal opinion of mine). I'm sorry to hear that you have yet to find a gay man that fits your criteria for both an emotional, mental and physical attraction. That sucks, and I hope things eventually change around for you. I've been having that problem myself, lately.

Truth of that matter is, I really do think that with our obviously similiar attractions, that we'd probably have a harder time finding a gay partner than other gay men with different attractions, simply because their more open to the idea of being attracted to the "stereotypical" gay man (the more femine gay man). I'd give you the same advice I've been trying to give myself - perhaps be a bit more open to the idea of becoming involved with someone not quite as masculine as you currently might like them to be. Go out and meet people, and get to really know them before you come to the conclusion that their too "feminine". That's something I personally do - I tend to close myself off to someone because I think they might be too "feminine" for me, and reject them before I get to really know them because I initially think they don't fit my masculine criteria. I don't know if it's something you do, but just from reading your post and seeing the similarties between you and I, I think it's definatley a possability that you might be subconciously doing it. I always used to, in return, be closed off to trying this out simply because I didn't feel as if I had to change or alter what I'm attracted to to find someone. I felt it was unfair, and that if people could find their perfect "soul mate" based off of all the things they were primarily attracted to, then I should be able to find mine, too. But I soon realized that I wasn't being asked to change or alter anything - just to be more open and patient, and to give myself time to let things happen.

As far as your situation with this Christian guy goes - I think, after knowing about your sexual preference and after talking and spending so much time with you - there could very well be a possability that Christian might already know your attracted to him. If this is the case, and he's still holding strong to his not-interested stance, then I'd say try to become less attracted to him - both physically and emotionally - because it's probably not going to go anywhere. You haven't been pushing anything on him, and you've been nothing but a friend to him - which is good. But still feelings those feelings is doing nothing but hurting you. How do you get over him? I'm sorry, but I don't have any one answer for that. Getting over someone is rough, and - as you stated before - you can't help or control who your attracted to. Perhaps this job move that you were talking about though might be good for you. You'd still remain close, but you wouldn't be seeing him everyday. I think the distance might do you two some good. In the meantime, try keeping yourself busy with work and friends? Go out and have some fun. Try to keep your mind off of him, as hard as it may be.

As far as telling him how you feel goes - while I'm all for being honest and truthful with your feelings, in this situation, I'm really not too sure how much good it would do. If you feel as if you'd be getting something off your chest that you absolutely -need- to get off your chest, then do what you have to do. But he kind of already gave you the answer to the obvious question you'd be asking if you were to tell him how you felt, you know? Perhaps if he hadn't already made it clear that he wasn't into doing anything with other guys or wasn't attracted to guys in general, then I'd say let him know how you feel. I think in this situation, though, he knows that your attracted to him, and by telling you that he wasn't attracted to guys, that was more of less his way of letting you know that he just wants to remain friends. I think that telling him how you felt about him would only make things awkward and weird, unfortunatley. Atleast they would in this particular circumstance. Then again, though - this is your life, and no one can tell you how to handle the relationships you have with people you care about. We can only make suggestions and hope that whatever decision you come to is the right one, both for you and him.

Oh - and you can call whoever you want a "soul mate". That's a term, I beleive, that has many definitions.
 
Someone on here said tell him but why would you? Nothing can change by telling him so why bother putting him into an awkward situation? Than he may leave and leave you behind even as a friend. I always believed there was something wrong with gay men who fall for straight men. I believe it is a total lack of confidence and a way to beat yourself up. He isn't a possibility so find people who are a possibility. There is a shit load of gay men out there looking for someone. Get off this depression bus and find someone who will want you. You are old enough to know better. I am shocked when I read about under 22 year olds falling for straight guys but someone much older should know better. You are only hurting yourself and torturing yourself. This can never be.

I'm not going to even try to lecture you on how to give advice or what you should type in your posts, seeing as how you've been around here for a lot longer than I have and your a great deal older. But just a lil suggestion...

If your going to tell people to "get off the depression bus", you might want to consider why it is their depressed, and possibly suggest some healthy ways to alleviate some of the depression. This guy's problem isn't that he can't "find someone that wants him". That's not the issue here. The issue is that he is attracted to a man who isn't attracted to other men, which is a concept it seems your having a hard time grasping. Men and women do -not- pick and choose who it is their attracted to - I'd expect a gay/bisexual man such as yourself to understand that. The laws of attraction don't have an age limit or a ceilling. What, are you saying that because this man is older that he should be more capable of controlling what it is he's attracted to, or what it is he looks for in a partner? Not only is that unfair to ask, but it's also kind of illogical.

And why is it that because a man is attracted to more masculine-esque men (or "straight") men that it's because of a total lack of confidence? It seems that your hinting at the idea that because a man might not be attracted to more feminine man - something he has no control over - that he's ashamed of his sexual orientation, which is absolutely ridiculous. Just because a man isn't attracted to more feminine men does not mean he's lacking confidence. It means that he's not attracted to more feminine men. I, for one, am more attracted to more masculine men than I am to more feminine men, and I am -very- proud of being homosexual, and I like to consider myself to be very self confident.

WOW!!! You have the stereotype down!! Very sad that's how you feel. I am none of those stereotypes nor is my bf. (My bf does have really good hair though lol) I don't own any skin care products and I hate musicals. No wonder you fell for this guy since you are so prejudice. I find what you wrote above offensive and can't believe guys on here are not jumping all over you! I am not attracted to the "stereotype" either but there is a wide range of gay men. I attract guys like me and if that is the kind of gay men you attract than it says a lot about who you are.
You are right you can't control who you fall for but I have never been so desperate as to fall for a straight guy who I would beg to let me blow him! I am man enough to know who is off limits and am to old at 34 to chase after someone who could never want me. You need to let him go and get sane again. I would love to hear his side of this. He probably got this new job to get far away from whatever you are pulling.

Hahaha.

This post kind of made me laugh, actually.

The accusations and assumptions you make in this post are both insulting and completely false. electric_spirit, in no way shape or form, made any hint that he was trying to "pull" at this guy. Where you got that impression from is beyond me, even though seal clearly stated in his posts that he had never said anything to him concerning his feelings and that their relationship status was at a good-friend level.

He's not "chasing" after anyone, nor is he begging some guy to let him blow him. "You need to let him go and get sane again"? Lol - good Lord, who the hell even let you on these forums? The incompetence and general lack of reason and sense you exude through your posts really is quite astounding.

And how dare you call him prejudice. Your yelling at him for being honest and telling you what it was he's attracted to, and your yelling at him for being attracted to more masculine men as opposed to more feminine men - and your calling HIM prejudice? Your judging him and bashing him based off of what he's attracted to - THAT, my friend, is prejudice. Why are you insulted that he's attracted to more masculine men? What was it about his post that you found so insulting? Because I can find -various- things in your post that I found to be extremely insulting. You were attacking him because he's attracted to certain things in a man, and then you accused -HIM- of being prejudice.

Very hypocritical.
 
Now guys..............

The answer is still simple.

Leave him be.
 
Having read all of the subsequent posts, and gained a LOT more information about what the situation truly is, please disregard my prior comments. #-o

Christian sounds like quite a "catch" in the Good Friends department. And, since Good Friends are, indeed, something to be Cherished ... as difficult as it may be ... subdue your Lusts for Him, when around Him ... and Treasure your times of interaction "merely" for what they are. Good Times with a Good Friend! PRICELESS!! (!w!)

It sounds like You KNOW that ... and can DO that! YOU are one Lucky Guy!! ..|

As for Your LUSTS?? How do You get over that?? Sorry ... but that may never happen. Best suggestion would be Hoping to find another "Target"! Someone who will return the same "Urges", and direct Your "Desires" away from Christian.

How can that happen? No. 1 ... stop "looking"! Seems things come our way when we least expect it! Get Your butt "out there", without expectations, and just relax, while seeming "available", with Trust, and Confidence, in Yourself! (group)

Enjoy Your time with Christian for what "it" is! But, also, leave Youself open for other possibilities that may be right "under your nose"! :hurray:

Best of Luck with this! And ... no matter what ...

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
You are right Modo88 I am older and have been around longer. And that was not a little suggestion. lol.The guy hates queens and is in lust/love with a straight man he'll never have. He needs some tuff love and not hand holding. He's old enough to know how this will end. Did I get that right?
 
Look. I'm 20, and even I'm scared that I might not have enough time, might not meet enough people, to find someone who's right for me.

What in the world are YOU doing, though? You're 41, and frankly, you have two options:
1. Lower your standards NOW (Gay guys who aren't 'wrapped in the stereotype' are actually easy to find- smart and pretty ones who finish your sentences, aren't.)
2. Keep looking for that special guy, knowing that your chances of finding him are declining with every moment... those chances aren't going to rise again until you make it to a nursing home, when peoples' life partners are dying.

That's the truth. You're running a harsh race, here. It boggles the mind, to see you dawdling, yearning for some straight boy. Snap out of it! You have no time to be sitting down and smelling flowers, no matter how fragrant they may be!

Most of the other mice in your lab group have found their cheese, but you've resigned yourself to ramming your furry little head against a dead end wall. Please don't.
 
You are right Modo88 I am older and have been around longer. And that was not a little suggestion. lol.The guy hates queens and is in lust/love with a straight man he'll never have. He needs some tuff love and not hand holding. He's old enough to know how this will end. Did I get that right?


Right - as I said, you are older than I am and you have been around longer than I have. So how about you do yourself and everyone else who has to read your posts a favor and start acting that way? And yep, your right again. That wasn't a little suggestion. It was a big one - and hopefully, if your as smart as I think you are, you'll take what I said into consideration.

I never said you were in the wrong about telling him that things between him and this Christian guy won't work out - I agree with you. I don't think they will, either. But there was no "love" in your "tuff love" posts. You made assumptions and accusations, you insulted and bashed him because of the things he was attracted to in a man, and you acted like a complete hypocrite by calling him prejudice.

But then again, this is all kind of pointless, seeing as how you still manage to insult/accuse even after my post. "the guy hates queens"? Because why? Because he's not attracted to more feminine men? Lol - you are having a REALLY hard time understanding that concept, aren't you? Just because a man is more attracted to more masculine men then he is femine men, that doesn't mean he "he hates queens". Dear Lord, stop putting words in his mouth...
 
Give this letter post number 1 to him and see what happen. He will understand u completely.

NOTE ON AUSTRALIA: dude, I was recently just in SYDNEY, CAIRNS AND DARWIN...last time I checked, AUSTRALIA is a COUNTRY, AND NOT A CITY.:wave:
 
damn, I thought this was a no-flame zone.

Anyway to the original poster I just wanted to let you know that you don't have to be ashamed about who you're attracted to. If it's for some psychological reason, some weakness or lack of confidence then I guess we're both psychologically defficient haha. Meh.

It just happens. It's always interested me that there seems to be this thin line between platonic love and romantic love that so many spend their days balancing on, most without ever given a second thought to their sexuality. The effects of a "soul-mate" as you call your friend Christian are boundless, and entirely unpredictable. Many times, and in your situation the feeling is not mutual. Then comes the pain of longing for something you can't have and knowing you can never have it. Throw in the tricks of wishful thinking and you have a whole load of trouble.

I've been in several situations like this and the times that I've come clean it hasn't turned out completely bad. But it wasn't great either. But I guess they were never too great of friends anyway.

You can PM me anytime. I'll try to get to a computer to read it 'cause mine's dead :-(.
 
There are plenty of gay men out there who dont' fit the rather bizarre stereotype you placed on them. Sounds to me like you just need someone in your life and this guy just happened to be the unlucky one who was standing too close at the time.

It also sounds like instead of going out to find gay men with whom you share interests, you've decided to project things onto this straight guy because it's convenient. You don't love him. You just love the idea of loving him. That can't ever happen and you know that.

The gay stereotype that bugs me more than loving American Idol and Kathy Griffin (and at 41, I didnt' know ANYONE liked American Idol. Isn't that a kid's show?) is the gay guy who latches on to the closest straight guy because he thinks gay men are too fem for him. There are plenty of masculine gay men out there if you're willing to look in the right places.

Look, we've all made that mistake.. confusing friendship with a straight guy for something that it isn't. Once you find gay guys that you share a few interests with, your attraction to Christian will be gone pretty fast and your friendship can return to what it's supposed to be in the first place.

Now go find some gay guys who like the things you like.
 
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