Justice At Last, Bill Cosby Found Guilty.

[fabulouslyghetto]

All kidding aside....I am so glad that the women he abused so horribly have finally gotten some justice.

Let's wait til sentencing, he's rich old and going blind, that might elicit a house arrest he might not spend three minutes in prison. As a consolation prize he's been stripped of a lot of his accolades.

 

[eastofeden]

I would be interested in the follow up...to see if "justice" made the memory any easier to deal with....and do they feel empowered?

I am hoping the answer is yes...

I had two instances of someone giving me rohypnol and taking me home...I assume they put it in my drink...and I am never really "OK with it"....even after all these years. I just don't think about it as much as I used to...hardly ever now...

I don't care how many men I had sex with..I never asked for it nor did I consent in any way. I do understand now though what a STUPID idea it was for me to leave what I was drinking in a place where someone could even do that....and that is the only thing that got me past most of it.

It just never occurred to me that anyone would do that...or how many people did that....

For me...I am far happier seeing someone get convicted for rape or molestation than making unwanted advances or lewd comments. I applaud these women for stepping up and following through with it. They represented alot of other women (and men) by doing so....

 

[guyfromNY]

I always thought something was odd about Bill Cosby. I can't quite put my finger on it but I never suspected he was a rapist. I also never found The Cosby Show to be even mildly entertaining. It was just so damn cutesy and adorable, kind of like Full House.. I've never understood why it was such a cultural phenomenon.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I know he's guilty of something---I just can't help but feel bad for a pitiful legally blind 80 year old ---wish they had come forward sooner when he could have spent a long time in jail reflecting on what he had done---now he'll just probably die soon.

Any feeling bad for me is for the victims and it’s not feeling bad, I’m glad they’re getting justice, at least I hope they are feeling that way. His condition right now should be irrevelant, what he did was monsterous and nothing less.

 

[nycguydowntown]

I don't think the bit about "legally blind" means jack shit. He was able to perform stand up just last year at a club, so even if his vision is greatly reduced, he's not rotting away in a chair by the fire.

Any mitigation of justice based on a criminal's infirmity is a miscarriage of justice. Conviction & sentencing isn't about reaching a level of impairment or suffering to suffice for the crime. It's about incarceration as punishment for the culpable transgression of law, which in turn is the violation of serious social mores.

"Your Honor, the defendant, through his own neglect admittedly, is suffering from almost complete loss of his teeth. The Defense appeals for leniency in sentencing even though the Court has found him guilty of embezzlement of the $23 million fund."

"So, despite intentionally and illegally driving to the bar and becoming fully intoxicated before killing the couple who were walking alongside the road, the defendant has a chronic disease of the pancreas and probably only has a decade to live."

Rape is rape. If it means a prisoner will die in jail blind, or of pancreatic disease, it has nothing to do with justice or injustice. Crime and punishment is about social enforcement of the agreed upon codes of law. There is no valid basis for "yeah, he raped them all, but he's old now so it's not a problem."

It's frankly embarrassing to see lawyers shamelessly use these PR campaigns to try to sway judges, juries, and public opinion.

One of my best friends from youth was bitter about his father going to prison for a DWI where he drove home drunk and the truck left the road and killed a young woman walking. He went the next day to have the truck repaired and repainted on the sly to try to cover up the hit and run. He was in his 60's probably when he did it. He later developed cancer and I believe was let out early to die. My friend never even accepted that his father deserved prison.

Mercy needs a heavily compelling reason to mitigate justice.

Yeah I know---Geez you do go on. Guess u missed my point.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

For me...I am far happier seeing someone get convicted for rape or molestation than making unwanted advances or lewd comments.

Why can't both be considered irreprehensible in their own right without pitting one against the other? Are we that mad that the metoo movement is including women that weren't physically attacked? Are we forgetting that the bridge from writing off "lesser offenses" leads di-fucking-rectly into "She was asking for it" and "Well why were you wearing THAT skirt to the party?" Your post has just the slightest odor of rape culture.

 

[peeonme]

Why can't both be considered irreprehensible in their own right without pitting one against the other? Are we that mad that the metoo movement is including women that weren't physically attacked? Are we forgetting that the bridge from writing off "lesser offenses" leads di-fucking-rectly into "She was asking for it" and "Well why were you wearing THAT skirt to the party?" Your post has just the slightest odor of rape culture.

irreprehensible. adjective. Beyond reproach: blameless, exemplary, good, irreproachable, lily-white, unblamable. The American Heritage® Roget's Thesaurus

You had me for a moment, but I knew what you meant. As for the me too movement a guy has to be careful as to how to deal with co workers and subordinates. I would hate to see this become a situation where men are afraid to be around women as some are to be alone with a minor.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

As for the me too movement a guy has to be careful as to how to deal with co workers and subordinates. I would hate to see this become a situation where men are afraid to be around women as some are to be alone with a minor.

Not sure if I'm buying that. False rape/harassment claims are certainly a thing, trust me you don't have to explain that to a black American male however every day millions of men go to work and manage to not offend or harass female coworkers, it's pretty fucking simple actually if you are professional, most companies [dare I say all] make known their sexual harassment poilcies during hiring/orientation. For those who are just emerging from the cave, my rule of thumb is if you wouldn't want someone to say it to your mom/sister you shouldn't say it to a coworker, that takes care of the obvious harassment like "hey nice tits", as far as the more subtle or in-between stuff I think every adult male knows where the line is and chooses to cross it because he can. If all you talk about at work is work, what room does that leave for false claims? At best you might get hit with a claim for brushing up against her when reaching for something but, for the life of me, I can't imagine many incidents where you're innocent and get tagged for harassment "just because."

Then again my attitude at work is different than most people's, outside of "hi" and "bye" I don't talk much unless it's work-related, I don't talk about what I did last weekend or my summer plans or who I'm dating and unless a listening ear is sorely needed I don't entertain casual banter. I'm professional to the T which leaves zero wiggle room for any trouble. When people let their hair down at work and try to act informal like they're chillin in the living room with friends that's just asking for trouble.

Men respecting women in the workplace is not going to cause men to be victimized by women. Final answer.

 

[opinterph]

… a guy has to be careful as to how to deal with co workers and subordinates.

“Being careful” in “dealing with” co-workers and subordinates is not limited to “guys.” It’s not that difficult to avoid inappropriate behavior in the workplace. The same rules apply to everyone.

 

[peeonme]

“Being careful” in “dealing with” co-workers and subordinates is not limited to “guys.” It’s not that difficult to avoid inappropriate behavior in the workplace. The same rules apply to everyone.

I find that when it's an all guy group one can let there guard down some as was the case when I was working. The moment a woman was on the floor those with any common sense started to watch their language and comments.
The same rules truly don't apply, a man claiming sexual harassment because of some comment from a female co worker will not be taken seriously.
If a man says "you smell pretty today" it might be taken as a sexual overture. If a woman says "I like your aftershave" the guy will say thanks.

As for inappropriate behavior in the work place, back in the 80's I worked the night shift for a large machine manufacturer, one man who had been with the company since it started (he was in his late 50's) was always grabbing a young guys dick or ass. I told him to never try it on me, so he harassed me daily. The company would not do anything, so I followed him home, we had a nice chat and his attitude changed.
Men don't make good victims.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

“Being careful” in “dealing with” co-workers and subordinates is not limited to “guys.” It’s not that difficult to avoid inappropriate behavior in the workplace. The same rules apply to everyone.

Cosign. Been working over a decade never seen a male do something innocent and have it turn into a harassment witch hunt. I have however seen lots of males hit on female coworkers with everything from cheesy pick-up lines to unapologetically vulgar and mightily descriptive offers. And I'd be the first person to expect it from, outside of work my sense of humor is raunchy as shit-- jokes about rape, prostitution, wild sex positions, nothing's off the table. But I turn that off as soon as I'm on company property, as we're supposed to. To be honest most of the guys I've heard complaining about this pending puritan workplace culture are the types who cross the line and are just upset they're being put in check.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I find that when it's an all guy group one can let there guard down some as was the case when I was working. The moment a woman was on the floor those with any common sense started to watch their language and comments.
The same rules truly don't apply, a man claiming sexual harassment because of some comment from a female co worker will not be taken seriously.
If a man says "you smell pretty today" it might be taken as a sexual overture. If a woman says "I like your aftershave" the guy will say thanks.

This goes back to "Why go there in the first place?" Instead of engaging in a tug of war to see how close to the line you can get, why not avoid the line period? Are you going to melt if you don't tell that woman she smells nice? Which, by the way, [STRIKE]could be construed as[/STRIKE] is harassment. An admittedly extreme example, I once saw an interview with a rape victim who went bat-shit crazy on a male coworker who offered what he thought was an innocent compliment [hint: no such thing in the workplace] but it actually turned out to be almost verbatim something her attacker said to her prior to or during the rape. That in and of itself would be enough to make me watch my mouth.

As for inappropriate behavior in the work place, back in the 80's I worked the night shift for a large machine manufacturer, one man who had been with the company since it started (he was in his late 50's) was always grabbing a young guys dick or ass. I told him to never try it on me, so he harassed me daily. The company would not do anything, so I followed him home, we had a nice chat and his attitude changed.
Men don't make good victims.

You've already ascertained that the real victims here are the mennz who can no longer grab a coworker's tits or verbally admire the way her heels lift her ass up when she walks. One day I'm going to figure out why "victim" has become an insult, though I have an inkling it's just more of the typical cultural evil where the oppressor casts blame or doubt on the oppressed.

 

[opinterph]

The same rules truly don't apply,

My work experience includes functioning as Personnel Director for an international company. The same rules apply to everyone.

 

[peeonme]

My work experience includes functioning as Personnel Director for an international company. The same rules apply to everyone.

But, are they enforced?

 

[peeonme]

This goes back to "Why go there in the first place?" Instead of engaging in a tug of war to see how close to the line you can get, why not avoid the line period? Are you going to melt if you don't tell that woman she smells nice? Which, by the way, [STRIKE]could be construed as[/STRIKE] is harassment. An admittedly extreme example, I once saw an interview with a rape victim who went bat-shit crazy on a male coworker who offered what he thought was an innocent compliment [hint: no such thing in the workplace] but it actually turned out to be almost verbatim something her attacker said to her prior to or during the rape. That in and of itself would be enough to make me watch my mouth.



You've already ascertained that the real victims here are the mennz who can no longer grab a coworker's tits or verbally admire the way her heels lift her ass up when she walks. One day I'm going to figure out why "victim" has become an insult, though I have an inkling it's just more of the typical cultural evil where the oppressor casts blame or doubt on the oppressed.

Care to post a quote of mine where I said that?

 

[peeonme]

My work experience includes functioning as Personnel Director for an international company. The same rules apply to everyone.

I took a fill in job back in 2008, I was a car porter at a dealership. One day a very short black lady pulled in to the service drive. Her car was written up for whatever it was that needed to be done. When I tried to get into her car I had to squeeze behind the wheel, I guess my face reflected some discomfort. After I had moved the car(after I started it I moved the seat back) I was confronted by a manager who happened to be black. He accused me of making a face because I had to move a black persons car. Who could I have reported this to?

On another occasion when I worked at a testing lab. I asked a machinists helper (I was told by my boss if I needed anything done to ask this guy to do it) to do a small task as I was quite busy and this helper spent most of his day sitting on his ass watching me, the first thing out of his mouth was 'you think just because your white and I'm black that you can boss me around' I went on about my business and heard a strange sound behind me. When I turned around it was this guy with a knife staring at me (he was within arms reach) stabbing a piece of cardboard. He refused to get rid of the knife and was let go, then he accused me of 'helping him lose his job'

Should I tell you about the black guy who stabbed his foreman about 50 ft. from my station on the assembly line? Or maybe about how the male employees at my last job were told to leave the closer parking spots open for the women?

I know that you feel as though I am 'myopic', but I don't think that in drawing on my working experience that I am being prejudicial when I say that one should be careful in dealing with fellow employees, particularly minorities and women.

 

[opinterph]

But, are they enforced?

Perhaps that depends somewhat upon who is in charge. Or who files a complaint.

However it happens, the proper answer is yes.

 

[eastofeden]

Why can't both be considered irreprehensible in their own right without pitting one against the other? Are we that mad that the metoo movement is including women that weren't physically attacked? Are we forgetting that the bridge from writing off "lesser offenses" leads di-fucking-rectly into "She was asking for it" and "Well why were you wearing THAT skirt to the party?" Your post has just the slightest odor of rape culture.

I am not "pitting them against each other"...I have been outraged at the lack of prosecution for rape and molestation since I was a teenager and have spent years watching it all unfold...so to see lewd comments getting stellar attention while mountains of evidence against rape victims sit in warehouses...it pisses me off......

...and I am thrilled to see these ladies get justice.

I am not sorry about that and your post just reinforces my opinion..

....and if you think my post has an odor of rape culture...you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I am not "pitting them against each other"...I have been outraged at the lack of prosecution for rape and molestation since I was a teenager and have spent years watching it all unfold...so to see lewd comments getting stellar attention while mountains of evidence against rape victims sit in warehouses...it pisses me off......

It's two heads of the same monster, being blase about comments is an explicit green light for worse behavior, and a lewd comment might be brush-offable by you or I but imagine someone who's already been traumatized by sexual abuse or assault that insignificant comment can trigger all sorts of ill feelings. Notwithstanding it's a matter of respect and safety, the wrong comment from the wrong guy can make woman feel unsafe and I don't think it's fair to "We have bigger fish to fry" that. And from what I've seen nobody's fussing about remarks or lewd comments, the major headlines for the metoo movement have been about men locking women in a room with secret buttons, masturbating in front of women, asking for and offering massages, exposing themselves, come to think of it I can't recollect a single headline, interview or scandal that was simply about a guy saying "Hey nice rack." With stakes this high we can't afford to be dismissive of lewd comments, they're just a stone's throw away from a touch or an aggressive proposition.

 

[mikey3000]

But, are they enforced?

Well, as a victim of workplace sexual assault when I was a teen, I was laughed at and told, "she does that to all the new boys. Don't worry about it." So, no, the rules are not enforced equally. I have been sexually assaulted by two superiors, of both sexes, at multi-billion dollar companies.