On-Topic Kenosha Shooter – Kyle Rittenhouse Trial and Verdict

[Kulindahr]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

So he was so disciplined he was fleeing a guy with a skateboard terrified for his life and HAD to shoot some guy in the back?

Admit it, you're just bullshiting us at this point.

A skateboard is a tool capable of killing. I've been attacked by a guy with a skateboard, but more to the point so has a friend of mine, who ended up with a broken arm and a half-dozen broken ribs and was lucky to escape without further harm.

Yeah, he shot a guy in the back who had earlier told Rittenhouse "I will kill you if I get you alone!", then ambushed Rittenhouse and tried to take his gun. Rittenhouse fired until the threat was stopped.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

You just were admiring his discipline, get your story straight.

Now WHO was telling you the police were fomenting a conflict and Kyle should sue WHERE did you get that?

His personal gun discipline was superb.

I said, some talking head. I don't even know what the program was.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

A skateboard is a tool capable of killing. I've been attacked by a guy with a skateboard, but more to the point so has a friend of mine, who ended up with a broken arm and a half-dozen broken ribs and was lucky to escape without further harm.

Yeah, he shot a guy in the back who had earlier told Rittenhouse "I will kill you if I get you alone!", then ambushed Rittenhouse and tried to take his gun. Rittenhouse fired until the threat was stopped.

I don't believe you were attacked by a skateboard wielding dude, or that a friend of yours was.

Kyle created the whole situation his own damn self and remains a vigilante murderer, and now we get all the rest of the lawsuits and all the violence that's going to come with it.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

His personal gun discipline was superb.

I said, some talking head. I don't even know what the program was.

What channel were you on? Kyle was a stupid kid firing chaotically. It took him four tries to kill the one guy.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

Wuh oh. Looks like the feds are coming for that ass, probably the judge too.

Can Kyle Rittenhouse face federal charges? House judiciary chairman calls for DOJ review (Fox13 Tampa Bay; November 19, 2021)

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., called for a federal review of the verdict by the U.S. Department of Justice.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

Not an illegal firearm? So is that the precedent, 17 year olds who arent legally allowed to carry are legally allowed to carry?

The law involved is vague. When a law is vague, it is to be read in favor of defendants.

The prosecutor should have argued intent, because what the legislature meant to say with that law is pretty obvious when you look at the deliberations before it was passed. If that ruling by the judge can be appealed, it should be and IMO there's a good chance the charge will stick when it gets sent down for a trial.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

Wuh oh. Looks like the feds are coming for that ass, probably the judge too.

If anything happens to the judge it will be in chambers and we won't get to observe. There is certainly grounds for claiming reversible error, but that requires the D.A. to pursue it. The people of Wisconsin are going to have to demand their legislature impeach him for any kind of public consequence, which is probably not realistic.

Aside from that, it's protest, civil suits, and elections.

What is the FED after? The trial, or the killings?

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

Kyle violently attacked three people with the intent to do harm.

No, he didn't: according to every witness, he did not attack until attacked.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

The law involved is vague. When a law is vague, it is to be read in favor of defendants.

The prosecutor should have argued intent, because what the legislature meant to say with that law is pretty obvious when you look at the deliberations before it was passed. If that ruling by the judge can be appealed, it should be and IMO there's a good chance the charge will stick when it gets sent down for a trial.

When a law is poorly written, it's argued in front of the judge who decides what to do, and it might go either way depending on a whole bunch of things none of which is some standard rule that it must favor the defendant.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

Words from the people who had no one speaking for them during the trial:

" It sends the unacceptable message that armed civilians can show up in any town, incite violence, and then use the danger they have created to justify shooting people in the street."

What a line of BS! The violence was already present and they came to oppose it. And they didn't "use the danger they have created"; Rittenhouse reacted to the danger others had created.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

No no, they find you offensive, they feel you threaten their very lives, they think you are a criminal and a pervert, you don't get a say, you don't get to make explanations, are they justified in killing you?

This is your own argument, I have no idea why you're having so much trouble with it.

No, that isn't her argument.

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[TX-Beau]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

" It sends the unacceptable message that armed civilians can show up in any town, incite violence, and then use the danger they have created to justify shooting people in the street."

What a line of BS! The violence was already present and they came to oppose it. And they didn't "use the danger they have created"; Rittenhouse reacted to the danger others had created.

What a line of BS NO ONE WAS CHASING KYLE IN HIS LIVING ROOM.

Kyle created any danger he was in and remains a vigilante murderer.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

And these people think you are assaulting them and therefore are justified in defending themselves. You don't get to define terms because according to YOUR argument all that matters is what the assaulted THINKS. Plus they know you are a pervert anyway so you deserved it.

Yup that's exactly your argument, and the problem with it.

Misrepresentation.

It isn't about what the person thinks, it's about whether a person is being assaulted. Rittenhouse didn't have to "think" he was being assaulted; the first guy who attacked him had already declared his intent to kill Rittenhouse if he could get him alone; the second attacked with what was effectively and edged club; the third actually pointed a gun at him.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

What channel were you on? Kyle was a stupid kid firing chaotically. It took him four tries to kill the one guy.

He wasn't trying to kill a guy, he was trying to stop the threat. He did exactly what is taught in every self-defense class in the nation: shoot until the threat is ended. And he did that quite well despite the fact that he was dealing with someone trying to take his gun, someone who had already declared his intent to kill Rittenhouse.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

He wasn't trying to kill a guy, he was trying to stop the threat. He did exactly what is taught in every self-defense class in the nation: shoot until the threat is ended. And he did that quite well despite the fact that he was dealing with someone trying to take his gun, someone who had already declared his intent to kill Rittenhouse.

He was trying be Rambo. He created the situation he was in and is a vigilante murderer.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

Wuh oh. Looks like the feds are coming for that ass, probably the judge too.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/can-...house-judiciary-chairman-calls-for-doj-review

Thea rticle explains the grounds on which the feds could get involved. The case meets none of them. This is just grandstanding.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

Misrepresentation.

It isn't about what the person thinks, it's about whether a person is being assaulted. Rittenhouse didn't have to "think" he was being assaulted; the first guy who attacked him had already declared his intent to kill Rittenhouse if he could get him alone; the second attacked with what was effectively and edged club; the third actually pointed a gun at him.

This miscarriage of justice of gonna be reviewed by the DOJ. Hopefully this murderer gets what he deserves. 3 hots and a cot for some years. Nothing he did was righteous or heroic. Or legal. He went to intimidate threaten provoke and kill PROTESTORS. ALL caps cuz yall calling them violent and attackers and marxists and communists and space aliens and everything except what they were. Protestors.

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There is no rationalization for Kyle's violent behavior and murderous intentions, we are not going to be intimidated and bullied into silence by racist lunatics with cowboy fantasies.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

Misrepresentation.

It isn't about what the person thinks, it's about whether a person is being assaulted. Rittenhouse didn't have to "think" he was being assaulted; the first guy who attacked him had already declared his intent to kill Rittenhouse if he could get him alone; the second attacked with what was effectively and edged club; the third actually pointed a gun at him.

LOL it's exactly what someone thinks, THAT is the entire justification for the verdict. The entire self defense claim IS INHERENTLY ABOUT PERCEPTION OF IMMINENT HARM! The defendant doesn't have to PROVE there actually was danger, he has to DEMONSTRATE he THOUGHT there was danger.

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[Kulindahr]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

When a law is poorly written, it's argued in front of the judge who decides what to do, and it might go either way depending on a whole bunch of things none of which is some standard rule that it must favor the defendant.

Someone who knows Wisconsin and other law said it does, by precedent.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Kyle Rittenhouse is not going to be convicted

This miscarriage of justice of gonna be reviewed by the DOJ. Hopefully this murderer gets what he deserves. 3 hots and a cot for some years. Nothing he did was righteous or heroic. Or legal. He went to intimidate threaten provoke and kill PROTESTORS. ALL caps cuz yall calling them violent and attackers and marxists and communists and space aliens and everything except what they were. Protestors.

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There is no rationalization for Kyle's violent behavior and murderous intentions, we are not going to be intimidated and bullied into silence by racist lunatics with cowboy fantasies.

They were NOT protestors: protestors don't declare their intention to kill someone and then ambush him, or attack with a skateboard, or pull a gun on someone.

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