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On-Topic Kenosha Shooter – Kyle Rittenhouse Trial and Verdict

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^include black in the inverse scenario in the first paragraph. No one's even denying that multiverse black Kyle would've been shot dead by police. If by some freak accident he did survive, the tone of the conversation across various social media platforms to national news would be concerned with his motivation or right to defend himself. When a black person fires a gun the conversation begins and ends with black criminality, black violence and condemnation.
We don't live in a multi-verse. The Rittenhouse situation was very unique. It was a situation that resulted from a confluence of specific circumstances led to him a) surviving and b) having money to mount a gold standard defense and c) having a law that enabled him to get off.

If you want to try to argue that if Rittenhouse were Black, there wouldn't have been $2 million donated to buy him a good lawyer. But someone will point out that is no different than O.J.Simpson's affluence that got him off, too.

The problem here is that it's really difficult to try to frame the legislation as a race issue because the gun problem isn't race-specific. It's a sickness that is affecting Americans of all races. Americans of all races are buying guns in large numbers and they're using those guns to kill themselves and each other in large numbers.

The issue that can be framed is the basic inequities of the criminal justice system relative to money and race (and those issues, in many cases, are one and the same).
 
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It wasn't vague back then, the problem is that most modern folks want grammar suitable to middle school comprehension levels.

It's your ambiguous constitution. Don't blame me.

Beside, you can't even begin to convince me that everybody who owns a gun is in a militia. Don't even try.
 
We don't live in a multi-verse. The Rittenhouse situation was very unique. It was a situation that resulted from a confluence of specific circumstances led to him a) surviving and b) having money to mount a gold standard defense and c) having a law that enabled him to get off.

You're so close to the point that if I had a crush on the point I would be kinda jealous of how close yall are. Kyle's situation isn't unique at all. White men have been exonerating themselves for violence since this country began. For reference, see any history book (one that republicans politicians haven't gotten their hands on yet).

If you want to try to argue that if Rittenhouse were Black, there wouldn't have been $2 million donated to buy him a good lawyer. But someone will point out that is no different than O.J.Simpson's affluence that got him off, too.

OJ and that bunch of words I can't say in CE&P R Kelly are the exception that prove the rule. The only time an injustice has worked in favor of a black man, both cases these men were rich celebrities that had earned the favor of the white establishment by means of not challenging whiteness the way shunned black figures like Mohammed Ali, Colin Kaepernick and Paul Robeson did. All celebrated in hindsight as civil rights champions, but in their day they were reviled. Malehood + + wealth + being silent on civil rights issues = a silver pass to the white establishment club. You can beat your wife, you can kill, you can spend two decades preying on young women across multiple states.

Two points of contention, if OJ had killed a black woman the story never would've become the legend that it is today. He's famous because he killed a WHITE woman. And R Kelly maybe would've been in prison years ago if any of his victims were white. He was smart, he knows that black women disappearing or being abused isn't sexy enough for the news cycle. Although minority women make up a disproportionate amount of missing or exploited women, you only hear about missing women if they're blonde. Thin and pretty counts too but I won't stretch this convo into the realm of our raging superficiality.

The problem here is that it's really difficult to try to frame the legislation as a race issue because the gun problem isn't race-specific. It's a sickness that is affecting Americans of all races. Americans of all races are buying guns in large numbers and they're using those guns to kill themselves and each other in large numbers.

The issue that can be framed is the basic inequities of the criminal justice system relative to money and race (and those issues, in many cases, are one and the same).

It's not that difficult when you look at the numbers, only in conversations with white men, whose default response the moment they hear "race" in any and all contexts is "Not a problem. Non-issue."
 
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It wasn't vague back then

Yup, it was pretty explicit.

White male = lord of the country
white woman = his sentient sex toy
blacks = subhuman primates created to worship and work for the above

Of course most everyone (who isn't black and conscious) denies this, but that makes future amendments a paradox, if the constitution were intended to include everyone, what was the driving force behind the numerous subsequent various civil rights battles and court cases? Women had to beg for the right to vote, black people died just to sit in the same restaurants, and now we're being told to just take scout's honor that white men have no more bias and don't flex their exclusive economic, social, political and governmental control to the detriment of everyone else, even though literally everyone else is saying things are still broken.

In the realm of public opinion, the judicial system and execution let's draw a parallel to trends from the not-so-distant pass. When metoo became a thing men across the country challenged the movement as an overreach of women, an unnecessary, unfair and callous attempt to demonize men. They challenge and bully the accusers, demand a mountain range of evidence, witness testimony, receipts from the hotel to prove the accuser was there that day, and even if 50 women come forward and accuse the same man of the same thing the male response ranges from outright denial to cautiously skeptical... but still probably denial. They just the court system to protect women from abusers like Harvey Weinstein who has been running around raping everything with a pulse in Hollywood, openly. People knew it was happening and he still couldn't be stopped.

Rewind just a few decades and metoo was white women accusing black men of rape. We didn't even get trials, soon as a black man was pointed out the white townsmen grabbed their rope and guns and maybe a machete to cut his penis off and feed it to him after hanging him. No choruses of "Where's his day in court?" These were common occurences and nobody was calling for justice or fairness, the same people who just 30 years later would demand no less than video evidence of a sexual assault before they even consider if it might be true? :confused:

The law is not an entity, it's a tool, a tool that until recently been held by white men. Black people have been in this country for several centuries and are only now beginning to occupy political offices and positions of power, and even then mostly in little more than a ceremonial manner. It's strange as a black man to constantly be preached to about accountability, from a demographic that is literally terrified at the mere prospect of it, even at the most basic level.

"Race has nothing to do with it" is a convenient dismissal of racist power structures that we all know existed, they were literally written into the original document that governs our country and an entire national identity has been built around them. Now that minorities have equal voicing in America, it's no longer prudent to just talk about "the good parts" of these power structures. We won't allow it. We have to remind those in control of these dynamics at every turn because OUR liberty which we're STILL fighting for depends on it. Case in point... this verdict.
 
...White men have been exonerating themselves for violence since this country began. For reference, see any history book (one that republicans politicians haven't gotten their hands on yet).
Two corrections:

White men didn't exonerate Rittenhouse. A jury did. All counts, not guilty.

Someone will point out that O.J. Simpson's jury was overwhelmingly Black. Exoneration, it seems, works both ways if you have the money to buy good representation.

Republicans can't be blamed for history books in the South. Those books and the selective and altered historical accounts they present came about when Democrats were in charge.
 
Two corrections:

White men didn't exonerate Rittenhouse. A jury did. All counts, not guilty.

Republicans can't be blamed for history books in the South. Those books and the selective and altered historical accounts they present came about when Democrats were in charge.

A white judge did, white prosecutor, mostly-white jury, using laws written by... and the cops who didn't immediately arrest him were.... you get the point. Moving on....

I know democrats are guilty for the first wave of white-washing history books, republicans are leading a second wave literally right now. In the midst of economic disparity, an actual class uprising, a confusing and dysfunctional exit from Afghanistan and mounting violent civil unrest, several republican politicians exclusively in the South are championing banning CRT and want history classes to talk about "The good parts of slavery." Exact quote from some f*ckbag politician whose name I don't care to look up. Shoutout to the woman who immediately shot back "There are no good parts to slavery." If only she knew how revolutionary that tiny statement was, how profound an act it is to speak up for people of color to any white man-- least of all one with power. I hope she's safe, all protections for whiteness fade when you align yourself with people of color. See Kyle's victims for reference. I'm sure someone is going to deny this as well, but it wasn't that long ago we literally had a racial slur just for white people who were too friendly to black people, rhymes with bigger hover.

Gosh, for race to not matter it seems to be a deciding factor in a lot of this situation, most situations within the judiciary system. If you don't take it from me take it from the 60+ % of judges who corroborate. It matters before the justice system even gets involved, for reference see the black realtor who was arrested for showing a house. His injustice with the court system began the moment a white person was afraid of him and called the cops.
 
If I may be more concise, my counter-theory to his race was irrelevant: It mattered every step of the way.

He was able to carry an ar15 past police because he's white, he was able to shoot people and still not be considered a threat and be tackled or even looked at sideways by those cops because he's white, he was bonded out because he's white, he was able to go bar-hopping flashing white power signs and still have an army of cheerleaders across the nation because he's white, he was coddled by the judge because he's white and acquited because he's white. And now he's doing the news interview circuit claiming to support BLM and nobody's gonna roll their eyes or question him because he's white, he's going to go down in certain history books as a hero because of his color and only because of his color. Maybe gender too, but definitely color.
 
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The NRA is corrupt and, if I'm not mistaken, bankrupt? Even ignoring their history of racism in lobbying to disarm the Black Panthers, I can't imagine why any reasonable person would listen to them for anything. Their solution to everything is simply more guns, correct? Our goal is creating a society where everyone doesn't have to be a trained firearms specialist just to live.

A cursory glance at some stats would lead me to believe you're undermining gun deaths in the US, totaling at least 32k a year. That's a whole lot of people. Are they pulling that number out of thin air? Your nonchalant response about gun death had me thinking it was gunna be maybe a few hundred, maaaaybe 10k, and even that is way too much. That's a whole lot of life you're dismissing as... ?collateral damage? In 2019 we ranked 2nd worldwide in gun deaths with almost 40k. That's way too much life for anybody to tell me, in essence, "Meh, shit happens." Someone with a more strict respect for life would say a few hundred is a few hundred too many.

Whatever your message, I'm not entirely sure because "guns make everybody safe" is simply disproven by reading the local news, you aren't going to change any minds by dismissing a massive amount of deaths as the cost of being the boss.

The NRA happens to be right this time: the way to stop criminal misuse of guns is to enforce the law -- which many liberal prosecutors refuse to do!

And no, their solution isn't "more guns", it's more guns in the hands of trained people. That's why the NRA is the world's foremost organization for gun safety, training tens of thousands of people a year, and why they received an award from the National Safety Council.

I didn't mention gun deaths, I mentioned the tens of thousands (possibly as high as three million, according to the CDC report a few years ago) of people who protect themselves with guns every year in the U.S., mostly without ever having to fire a shot.

BTW, here are some folks who would disagree with your approach:

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That's the interestingly-named armed black militia the "Not F**king Around Coalition" marching with a few white guests.
 
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It's your ambiguous constitution. Don't blame me.

It's only ambiguous to the literacy-challenged.

Beside, you can't even begin to convince me that everybody who owns a gun is in a militia. Don't even try.

Who said that? According to the militia concept at the time, which was imported from England, every able-bodied male was a member of the militia -- nowadays that would extend to every able-bodied person.

If all the armed guys that night had been part of a militia, there wouldn't have been any problems; an actual militia would have had a commanding officer, and the first action would have been to report to the local sheriff as the representative of both the local people and of the state of Wisconsin, and Rittenhouse wouldn't have been wandering off alone, he would have been in a pair or trio patrolling under instructions from the sheriff. They wanted to be militia without the responsibility of being in a militia.
 
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That's the interestingly-named armed black militia the "Not F**king Around Coalition" marching with a few white guests.

Never heard of em. Is it safe for me to assume that's because they haven't really accomplished anything meaningful outside of paying for the college education for the children of whoever they bought their guns from?
 
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Yup, it was pretty explicit.

White male = lord of the country
white woman = his sentient sex toy
blacks = subhuman primates created to worship and work for the above

None of that is in the Second Amendment.

And I didn't respond to the rest of your post as it was thoroughly racist.
 
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It's only ambiguous to the literacy-challenged.

We've had to amend it a bajillion times and even those amendments are a categorical failure in the goals of the amendments, so we're working to amend the amendments, because it's such an iron-clad and all-encompassing document? Americans only discuss it in vague terms because once you get into the details, such as the fact that it was written by slave owners and human traffickers and even the amendments were done by people who weren't any less evil, it's really just a memo from white supremacists affirming their dominion over everything and everyone. But freedom... and guns.... and liberty and stuff.
 
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A white judge did, white prosecutor, mostly-white jury, using laws written by... and the cops who didn't immediately arrest him were.... you get the point. Moving on....

Had cops arrested him they would have been disobeying orders. He went to them, told them what he'd done, and they sent him home because that was what their orders dictated.
 
Had cops arrested him they would have been disobeying orders. He went to them, told them what he'd done, and they sent him home because that was what their orders dictated.

Disobeying orders from, let me go out on a limb and risk it all by guessing.... a white man or white men? And why were those orders given? Because he's a.... this merrygoround is getting dizzying.
 
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None of that is in the Second Amendment.

And I didn't respond to the rest of your post as it was thoroughly racist.

That was a swift dodge of the fact that the 2nd amendment was meant to apply to.... let's say it together cuz I'm shy and I'm tired of singing this song by myself.....

Or am I wrong? Were slaves and women allowed to have guns cuz the 2nd amendment was the ONE part of the constitution that applied to everyone equally?
 
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Never heard of em. Is it safe for me to assume that's because they haven't really accomplished anything meaningful outside of paying for the college education for the children of whoever they bought their guns from?

They've helped make a lot of blacks realize that they don't have to put up with their neighborhoods being the stomping grounds of violent gangs and other criminals.

They just haven't gotten the press they deserve because the mainstream media is still leery of armed blacks.
 
Disobeying orders from, let me go out on a limb and risk it all by guessing.... a white man or white men? And why were those orders given? Because he's a.... this merrygoround is getting dizzying.

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And those orders happen to be SOP for dealing with riots -- whether or not they're rational is another question, though they're intended to preserve the lives of the police. Officers did the same in Portland during the antifa riots here.
 
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