Kids say the darndest things to Michele Bachmann

[rareboy]

It makes me laugh to read the predictable reactionary views on this.

Oh boo hoo. What a bad parent. Mommy coached her son to make a point in a way that hit the mark that no adult could have.

The point got made. The kid is a hero to me. And thank God he's being coached to fight back for the rights of his family.

Instead of being made to feel ashamed and dirty by disgusting hate merchants like Bachmann Co.

 

[chance1]

So you think making laws violating the civil rights of the woman is good governing?

If you took some of the time you applied to replying to my post ......

And spent it reading my posts

You'd know the answer

 

[chance1]

It makes me laugh to read the predictable reactionary views on this.

Oh boo hoo. What a bad parent. Mommy coached her son to make a point in a way that hit the mark that no adult could have.

The point got made. The kid is a hero to me. And thank God he's being coached to fight back for the rights of his family.

Instead of being made to feel ashamed and dirty by disgusting hate merchants like Bachmann Co.

U need a good comedy outlet then

Try Comedy Central

Neither the mom nor kid is a hero

Not for this anyway

Apparently no hope for Bachman

Perhaps the mom improves her parenting skills - I hope so for the kids sake

 

[palemale]

It makes me laugh to read the predictable reactionary views on this.

Oh boo hoo. What a bad parent. Mommy coached her son to make a point in a way that hit the mark that no adult could have.

The point got made. The kid is a hero to me. And thank God he's being coached to fight back for the rights of his family.

Instead of being made to feel ashamed and dirty by disgusting hate merchants like Bachmann Co.

This is the first time anyone suggested I was "predictably reactionary."

I'm not so sure the point that was made is the one we would wish was made. The kid was obviously very uncomfortable. It didn't come across as something he thought up or spontaneously said. He is too young to fully comprehend the implications of his statement. It was quite obvious he was coached by his mother to say something to make Michelle Bachman squirm. If a 12 or 13 year old said it without coaching, that would have a big impact and would be great.

When I saw the headline, I thought, wow, this will be great. When I watched the youtube video, it was a let down. What's quite comical, however, is that Bachman did more coaching than the mother. She made that kid spit it out. I would have said, "oh, he's shy. That's all right, he can come back and talk to me when he's more comfortable."

 

[rareboy]

^Sorry-You can't be lumped in with the predictably reactionary pearl clutchers. Your response was not predictable.

I think, though, as you point out, it was Bachmann who actually coached more than the mother.

But her pestering the kid to spit it out doesn't seem to be affecting the predictably reactionary posters.

The other thing here? Bear in mind that because of the hatefest that Michele and her cabal cultivate for homo families, a lot of kids this boy's age have already had to fight back against homophobia of their teachers, classmates and neighbours by the time they are eight years old.

 

[Kulindahr]

Looks to me like the mom had coached the kid, Bachmann thought it was going to be something cute (when the mom told the kid to talk louder) so she wanted to hear, and then when it turned out not to be something cute, but (to her) offensive, she got all pissy.

I don't like that the kid seemed to have been pressed into this, but parents do that to kids all the time -- an awful lot of kids are pressed into youth sports, musical lessons, and other things. This at least was a one-shot deal instead of ongoing, years-long oppression.

 

[fetaby]

If you took some of the time you applied to replying to my post ......

And spent it reading my posts

You'd know the answer

Apply this technique to post #18...

 

[fetaby]

Attempting to judge this woman on the merits of her parenting skills doesn't do anything but show just how judgmental we are. It doesn't change Bachmann's stance on gays, and it doesn't change the woman's stance.

He is too young to fully comprehend the implications of his statement.

But he isn't too young to face the effects of the behaviors propagated by Bachmann and her ilk...

 

[chance1]

Apply this technique to post #18...

will need more than this

bottom line is what i have posted on this thread and others is that bachman's views on homosexuality are brutal

and just reading them or hearing them educates people on the horror and her ownership of those beliefs

she is clearly on the wrong side - of what is right - and luckily for us - what is believed by the majority of americans

SHE IS BAD NEWS

I think her talking is GOOD for us - it puts it out there - people are disgusted with her and those views - better that she says them and people hear them

there - my feelings on Michelle Bachman - who will likely take those views to her grave

as for mom/kid and this particular sitch

mom was wrong to do so
that doesn't change what michelle bachman believes in
mom was wrong - to USE her kid in this fashion

and frankly using the kid in this fashion actually undercuts the argument

now a take can be not about MB's wacky and dangerous views

but it is lessened by the gay mom who made her kid do this

am i making sense?

i think so as many progressives have chimed in her with i believe to be similar thoughts

palemate, kuli and others

thanks

 

[rareboy]

Of course....did it ever occur to anyone that if the entire issue of Gay rights and acceptance of homo families in the US wasn't so fucked up, there would never have been the occasion to get an 8 year old to make a point that should be so fucking obvious to politicians in the first place?

 

[CowboyBob]

I don't think what that Mom made her kid do is as bad as what they did to the kids in Jesus Camp. Or what Mormons do to their gay children. Or what the Bachmann clinic does to troubled gay youth.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486358/

 

[JOHN B]

Well, ...yesterday I FINALLY got around to watching that vid on Y/T. I'm sorry, but I have to take Bachmann's side on this. That little kid was terrified, and was obviously being prompted by the mother(s). Things like this just set back the fight for gay rights sometimes, when you have these radicals use their kids to "make a statement". It's just like those anti-pro-abortion/christian/occupy type protesters that drag their children to the groups and make them hold giant signs whom the kids have no idea (too young) what they are protesting.

 

[chance1]

I was a little uncomfortable with the video. If the kid spontaneously came out with it, that would be great. Being pushed into doing it by the mother diminishes it and isn't good for the kid.

Looks to me like the mom had coached the kid, Bachmann thought it was going to be something cute (when the mom told the kid to talk louder) so she wanted to hear, and then when it turned out not to be something cute, but (to her) offensive, she got all pissy.

I don't like that the kid seemed to have been pressed into this, but parents do that to kids all the time -- an awful lot of kids are pressed into youth sports, musical lessons, and other things. This at least was a one-shot deal instead of ongoing, years-long oppression.

Well, ...yesterday I FINALLY got around to watching that vid on Y/T. I'm sorry, but I have to take Bachmann's side on this. That little kid was terrified, and was obviously being prompted by the mother(s). Things like this just set back the fight for gay rights sometimes, when you have these radicals use their kids to "make a statement". It's just like those anti-pro-abortion/christian/occupy type protesters that drag their children to the groups and make them hold giant signs whom the kids have no idea (too young) what they are protesting.

love that some people who have very strong convictions can look at specific situations/actions and are able separate their FEELINGS from their conclusions

clearly the mom did wrong

no one is debating that Bachman's views are toxic and hateful - and that exposing her and those views is important

but using your own child to transmit this message is wrong for the child

and using this method is wrong because it is easily exposed as a "trick" and defeats the purpose of exposing Bachman and the hate

thanks to you 3 for manning up

 

[Kulindahr]

After looking at the vid again, I have to say that what the mom did with her kid isn't a whole lot different than when the Phelps clan have their kids holding their signs. The difference is mainly degree, very little in kind.

If a kid steps up and wants to do it himself, that's one thing, but it sure looks like this mom treated her kid not as a person, but as a tool to be used as an extension of herself. Yet while kids may not be competent to exercise their self-ownership completely autonomously, it's nevertheless a violation of that self-ownership to manipulate them like an object.

 

[CowboyBob]

I think you're reading too much into this.

A shy kid was coaxed by his Mother to say something to the spooky stranger. When you were little didn't your Mother tell you to speak to someone you didn't want to?

 

[justndav]

Well, ...yesterday I FINALLY got around to watching that vid on Y/T. I'm sorry, but I have to take Bachmann's side on this. That little kid was terrified, and was obviously being prompted by the mother(s). Things like this just set back the fight for gay rights sometimes, when you have these radicals use their kids to "make a statement". It's just like those anti-pro-abortion/christian/occupy type protesters that drag their children to the groups and make them hold giant signs whom the kids have no idea (too young) what they are protesting.

I am going to agree with this. Surprisingly most of my gay friends all agree as well...using the child in this manner was not appropriate. One of my friends, a psychologist, said it was a horrible thing to do to an 8 year old.

Stuff like this really does set the movement back and people see this one instance and think of the group as manipulators. Plain and simple... we have to win people over, not push them away with stuff like this.