Killer drone strikes again

[CowboyBob]

That is apples and oranges.

Jayhawk, this is the Obama haters ripping their hair out in their desperate attempt to not give President Obama any credit for keeping America safe. Altho they are aware of it, they can't admit that Bush was a complete failure in everything he did. Those poor souls hate Obama so much because he's making Bush and the republicans look even worse than they are.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

They should become Democrats and enjoy politics and life. Democrats aren't filled with hate, prejudice and greed. Democrats have solutions to problems.

 

[CFoTsD]

"I want justice," Bush said. "And there's an old poster out West I recall, that said, 'Wanted, Dead or Alive.'"

Perhaps the Bush Doctrine, Wanted, Dead or Alive, is the correct course of action. We live in interesting times.

 

[justapixel]

Now I see who and what you are.

You shed tears for terrorists, yet bash the President of the United States.

Justapixel is upset the President is protecting America, yet condemns American's leader.

The Secret Service will be asking admin for your IP address, if they haven't already.

The only person I shed tears for is you.

If a Republican (Perry) kills someone you are outraged.

If Obama kills someone, you are overjoyed with happiness.

It must be sad to be so partisan.

I shed tears for you.

 

[CowboyBob]

The only person I shed tears for is you.

If a Republican (Perry) kills someone you are outraged.

If Obama kills someone, you are overjoyed with happiness.

It must be sad to be so partisan.

I shed tears for you.

Justapixel hates the President.

An Al Qaeda terrorist was killed by the President of the United States. Is that why you hate the President?

Here are tissues to dry your eyes as you weep for the terrorist.

You better remove the Al Qaeda website bookmark from your browser.

 

[jackoroe]

A citizen whom has taken arms up against this country has denounced his rights as a citizen.

Both Americans killed in the attack got exactly what they desired when they chose to die for their beliefs.

How anyone can argue this is beyond the realm of belief.

So I take it that any family that fought in the civil war is also guilty of killing Americans and should be vilified?

I suppose the soliders in WWII who may have killed any Americans in the Waffen SS should have been condemned as well?



That killing was just. Ludicrous and ridiculous is any man who suggest otherwise. You may make your own decisions regarding the intent of Iraq, Iran and any other mid-east country that may or may not threaten this nation. However Al Qaeda has the stated purpose of killing Americans and members should be dealt with in all instances as enemy combatants and killed on sight.

The folks in the Waffen SS wore the uniform and took up arms against the US. No problem killing them.

Americans killing Americans in the civil war? Not sure how you'd villify one side or the other. Everybody involved was an American.

Consider the fact that we seek to confer Constitutional rights on those clearly not entitled to them. I.E. the scumbags in Gitmo. Then we openly deny the right of due process to two Americans who were clearly entitled to it. By many of the same people who bemoaned the lawful executions of Americans who are afforded all the due process you could ever want.

We need a judge to approve listening to his phone conversations, but the president can authorize the killing of an American citizen with absolutely no review? No, sorry that doesn't fly. I disagreed with Bush when he proposed doing so, and I continue to do so today.


http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1722678

 

[justapixel]

Justapixel hates the President.

An Al Qaeda terrorist was killed by the President of the United States. Is that why you hate the President?

Here are tissues to dry your eyes as you weep for the terrorist.


You better remove the Al Qaeda website bookmark from your browser.

You refuse to answer my question.

So sad that you have been exposed.

 

[CFoTsD]

President Obama is having a hard time politically with this issue. OBL was killed on his watch and now AAA. The killing of AAA is pissing off many Progressives and human rights advocates, his base, and to make matters worse for him the American people believe the repubs do a better job of protecting us. Damned if he does and damned if he doesnt.

Americans see the Republican Party as better able to protect the country from external threats, according to a new Gallup poll. The poll was released on the same day the Obama administration confirmed the death of Anwar al-Awlaki, a high-profile terror suspect in Yemen.

 

[Kulindahr]

If a Republican (Perry) kills someone you are outraged.

If Obama kills someone, you are overjoyed with happiness.

Wow.

Not even a photon of sense here.

Your comparison here is like if someone asked you to decide which of two houses was better, and you judged based on the color of the roof, without examining the structure at all.



The substance here is that Perry has happily let innocent people get killed, while Obama is going after VERY guilty ones.

The point of contention is that Perry is doing it with due process, while Obama is doing so without any. Both are abusing the system.

Standards by which such decisions are made should be set out, debated, and preferably approved by Congress.

 

[JayHawk]

The folks in the Waffen SS wore the uniform and took up arms against the US. No problem killing them.

Americans killing Americans in the civil war? Not sure how you'd villify one side or the other. Everybody involved was an American.

Consider the fact that we seek to confer Constitutional rights on those clearly not entitled to them. I.E. the scumbags in Gitmo. Then we openly deny the right of due process to two Americans who were clearly entitled to it. By many of the same people who bemoaned the lawful executions of Americans who are afforded all the due process you could ever want.

We need a judge to approve listening to his phone conversations, but the president can authorize the killing of an American citizen with absolutely no review? No, sorry that doesn't fly. I disagreed with Bush when he proposed doing so, and I continue to do so today.


http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1722678

Well I trust you at your word and of course you are fully entitled. I would only point out that the same nitwits who showed the leftwing 'john lennon in their head' whackos a little liberal pussy to entice them into voting for them by stating that it was not legal to deny rights to GTMO detainees and that military tribunals were not legal.... you know the POTUS and his campaign?

Well just as I said it when Bush was doing it and I believe it was good and just killing and spying AND I said Obama would do nothing but the exact same policy because it is killing Americas enemies and that is his only true job as President (protection of the union not killing but to include killing when necessary)

I endorse it over and over and over. Call me what you will but I have nothing but lethal intent for America's enemies.

SO I take it in AAA's case you would have:
A) invaded with troops to detain
B) Let him continue to plot and execute terrorist attacks against americans on American soil
C) Pretended to do something with a bunch of legal indictments and request for the inept Yemeni police forces to capture him
D) Would prefer to dodge bullet shot at you than shoot back

Me I am shootin first, fastest and bringing the biggest gun. The man was no longer entitled to American rights. he denounced them openly and attacks us openly.

Seriously if this was an american they just randomly decided to kill then MAYBE you would have a point because you would not have a clue what they were going after and why.

However this is quite obvious and abundantly justified.

President Obama is having a hard time politically with this issue. OBL was killed on his watch and now AAA. The killing of AAA is pissing off many Progressives and human rights advocates, his base, and to make matters worse for him the American people believe the repubs do a better job of protecting us. Damned if he does and damned if he doesnt.

Americans see the Republican Party as better able to protect the country from external threats, according to a new Gallup poll. The poll was released on the same day the Obama administration confirmed the death of Anwar al-Awlaki, a high-profile terror suspect in Yemen.

I agree his base will want to eat him but will vote for him. Just like the Right when confronted by a Bush who did not perform fiscally as advertised. They voted for him because the alternative was abhorrent.

 

[Kulindahr]

Jayhawk, the problem here is that as a nation that believes in justice we ought to have standards and procedures for doing things like this. Perhaps something like a non-partisan "Supreme Tribunal" of people knowledgeable in the law, with experience in military, diplomatic, and related foreign fields -- chosen in some way to avoid partisan bickering -- would do the trick. But there has to be due process.

 

[JayHawk]

SO I take it in AAA's case you would have:
A) invaded with troops to detain
B) Let him continue to plot and execute terrorist attacks against americans on American soil
C) Pretended to do something with a bunch of legal indictments and request for the inept Yemeni police forces to capture him
D) Would prefer to dodge bullet shot at you than shoot back

Bullshit. I gave the options available on the list above.

You can do those four. There are no other intl options that are effective at protecting the american people from the next cartridge bomb scheme, Major Hasan, Christmas Day Bomber, I could go on or you could go read the wiki.

It is amazing to me a gun advocate who would shoot a threat dead in the streets but after a man has attacked AND KILLED Americans multiple times he is not a threat and we should play paddy cake.

BTW There is a tribunal of lawyers and military professionals looking at when to conduct a high profile killing such as this piece of shit. The President has a team that advises on issues such as these. The Flag level Officers in the pentagon have a lawyer at there side just about day and night. Typically the JAGs in the navy have made intl law judgement that have involved the justified taking of life prior to being assigned to shadow a guy like the JCS or CNO. The intelligence community is now fully under the control of the military.

And if you say those guys are the ones who made the decision, i want someone else. Well who do you think would appoint this mystical panel of extra help in deciding for a leader ......



It seriously boggles my mind that nobody possesses any other solution other than to bitch that a guy doing serous fucking harm to America was put to rest.

 

[palbert]

I am quite certain that since the end of WWII this scenario has occured several, if not many, times. I don't see why we don't just "regret the incident" and move on. We've done it before; we'll do it again.

My training gives me trouble with what we did; my heart says "right on."

 

[chance1]

Great job to get or rather kill the fucker

Period

Leon Panetta is the man
General Patraeus is the man
Kudos to Pres Obama for hiring both

Ironic that Pres Obama has done a sterling job fighting the war on terror

Bill O'Reilly btw gave major props to the Pres last night

I imagine that clip will be missed by the club who choose their videos to suit their needs

 

[CFoTsD]

Bill O'Reilly btw gave major props to the Pres last night

Strange bedfellows in this thread. I would say 90% of the rightwing talking heads I've heard have given the president kudos

 

[chance1]

Strange bedfellows in this thread. I would say 90% of the rightwing talking heads I've heard have given the president kudos

yep - the war on terror is not a political thing IMO - playing "offense" vs. waiting to be attacked and responding is a good thing

Bush was big on it and Obama has followed up with bigger and better

and any repub who suggests this is not in sync with GWB's mindset is silly

I haven't heard any who have said so but it's not like I'm following them on twitter

yet the rubes here beat the fucking drum of repubs making obama look bad

IT DOES NOT APPLY

find another issue to bitch about

cuz this one is not applicable

such lemmings

so sad

and boring frankly

back on topic

kudos to BO for OBL and this fuck face

go get some more

 

[jackoroe]

Well I trust you at your word and of course you are fully entitled. I would only point out that the same nitwits who showed the leftwing 'john lennon in their head' whackos a little liberal pussy to entice them into voting for them by stating that it was not legal to deny rights to GTMO detainees and that military tribunals were not legal.... you know the POTUS and his campaign?

Well just as I said it when Bush was doing it and I believe it was good and just killing and spying AND I said Obama would do nothing but the exact same policy because it is killing Americas enemies and that is his only true job as President (protection of the union not killing but to include killing when necessary)

I endorse it over and over and over. Call me what you will but I have nothing but lethal intent for America's enemies.

SO I take it in AAA's case you would have:
A) invaded with troops to detain
B) Let him continue to plot and execute terrorist attacks against americans on American soil
C) Pretended to do something with a bunch of legal indictments and request for the inept Yemeni police forces to capture him
D) Would prefer to dodge bullet shot at you than shoot back

Me I am shootin first, fastest and bringing the biggest gun. The man was no longer entitled to American rights. he denounced them openly and attacks us openly.

Seriously if this was an american they just randomly decided to kill then MAYBE you would have a point because you would not have a clue what they were going after and why.

However this is quite obvious and abundantly justified.



I agree his base will want to eat him but will vote for him. Just like the Right when confronted by a Bush who did not perform fiscally as advertised. They voted for him because the alternative was abhorrent.

Just so we're on the same page, I've got no qualms about AAA the terrorist getting clipped. Hooray for us and fuck him. I'm concerned with the process. The Patriot Act and the unfettered ability of any president to decide any citizen is an enemy combatant causes me pause.

There needs to be some kind of review. I'd like for a president to have to make a case before the Supreme Court to declare a citizen similarly situated to be an enemy combatant. Hey, if you come upon somebody and he fills his hand, drop them like a bad habit, no issues. But in instances where somebody isn't quite dumb enough to pick up an AK-47 and make your decision real simple, we need something more.

It's not that I don't trust Obama. I don't trust any of them.

 

[CFoTsD]

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[Jack Springer]

So since it seems like the majority of liberals here support this killing--- do you also now support Gitmo and water-boarding?

If not. Why? Seems you can't have it both ways.

Again, I very glad that both of these guys are gone, but it does concern me a little that we've set a precedent for future US Presidents to kill other American citizens.

Bob, I'm still waiting for your answer regarding how you now approve of executing murderers in the USA.

 

[justapixel]

Bob, I'm still waiting for your answer regarding how you now approve of executing murderers in the USA.

All I hear is crickets.

 

[Kulindahr]

I am quite certain that since the end of WWII this scenario has occured several, if not many, times. I don't see why we don't just "regret the incident" and move on. We've done it before; we'll do it again.

My training gives me trouble with what we did; my heart says "right on."

Absolutely. The problem is not that he was killed, but that he was killed in a fashion suitable to an empire, not a republic, and especially not a democratic republic. Our president is not an emperor, but both Bush and Obama have certainly acted the part.

Use a drone, a nerve toxin, a knife across the throat -- I don't particularly care, so long as there is due process.

Just so we're on the same page, I've got no qualms about AAA the terrorist getting clipped. Hooray for us and fuck him. I'm concerned with the process. The Patriot Act and the unfettered ability of any president to decide any citizen is an enemy combatant causes me pause.

There needs to be some kind of review. I'd like for a president to have to make a case before the Supreme Court to declare a citizen similarly situated to be an enemy combatant. Hey, if you come upon somebody and he fills his hand, drop them like a bad habit, no issues. But in instances where somebody isn't quite dumb enough to pick up an AK-47 and make your decision real simple, we need something more.

It's not that I don't trust Obama. I don't trust any of them.

And once the Supreme Court has decided this is kosher, establish, as I described above, a panel for reviewing such cases.

For citizens of other countries... we really ought to get their invitation or approval, but given the nature of many other countries, that would be like asking the drug king if we could execute one of his trusted minions.