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KOOL-AID DRINKER - Is this the Best They've Got?

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It seems to me that everytime I'm reading or listening to something by a Republican party hack or one of the FOX minions, they inevitably refer to liberals and moderates who find their intellectually bankrupt, racist, homophobic rants repugnant or laughably jejune as Kool-Aid Drinkers.

So I'm puzzled. As a Canadian, I live in a country that has been mostly molded into a civil, inclusive society by liberal liberals and conservative liberals over the last 60 years.

Under the liberals, we ended up with surplus budgets while offering social benefits that help ensure the eradication of grinding poverty. The liberals legalized gay marriage across the country.

We don't actually curl our lips and sneer at one another for our political party beliefs, perhaps because we have a pluralistic parliamentary democracy and are essentially forced to craft our policies through consensus and respect for our underlying Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Within families and households it is not uncommon to have members voting for opposing candidates.

Of course, we've just gone through a toxic phase where a neo-con cobbled together the disaffected right-wing, homophobic, racists from out west under the Reform Party with the last of the red and blue Tories in order to grab the brass ring and attempt to push us to the right. While the attempts to use the American approach of isolating and dividing the eloctorate on wedge issues has been tried up here during the Bush years, it has generally backfired.

Now I did a quick poll among my acquaintances and it turns out that as children almost all of us drank Kool-Aid. Of all flavours. With lots of sugar and sometimes with fruit mixed in. The only person I found who still drinks Kool-Aid is a conservative woman who is also a mom and likes the grape with a shot of Vodka in it.

So what is with this Kool-Aid drinking nonsense?

From where I sit, it seems far more likely that the mormon neo-evangelist Glenn Beck behaves far more like Jim Jones than any of the liberal politicians or media personalities I'm familiar with. He has the same drug-addled messiah complex that Jim Jones seemed to be afflicted with as well as the same paranoic personality. It seems that the NASCAR tea-partiers appear to be much more likely to follow their new false god to the punch-bowl than any of the fractious and more independent minded, nuanced thinkers who consider themselves to be liberal.

Is Kool-Aid Drinker the best shot that the conservative trolls and intellectual midgets have to bandy about?

Just wondering.

Oh, and by the way, it was actually FlaVor-Aid® that the Jonestown crowd drank.
 
When I first started reading the post I figured that you didn't know about Jim Jones. Then you came out with knowing Jones and in fact the FlaVor-Aid brand of the kool-aid.
So no I got confused and didn't know what to say,,,,,, then I figured you wanted to know if kool aid was all they got.......so.......
yes!
 
Opposing camps are always going to accuse each other of drinking the Kool-Aid.
 
you either discuss the topic, or you make the cool aid or red meat accusation in pasing, OR.....

you say that someone is doing one of those things and explain why.

I don't mind the accusation or description so much as if they don't explain why they think that.

It's not a bad thing to be nudged sometimes about believing in the leaders of any country or party too much, so long as someone is willing to explain how it has become detrimental.

And if they DON"T explain the reason for the accusation then I just accept that they had nothing to answer or offer so they threw a generic insult in that the mods would allow.

Right now the truth is ALL of the republican party IMO are cool aid drinkers because they are just tuning into fox and rush and then regurgitating the party line.

Not a lot of free thinking anymore....

The Dems tend to the opposite end of the spectrum...

what was the old saying? " I Dn't believe in organized political parties, I'm a democrat".... that always makes me laugh.

What is noticeable for me as an independent is that the Dems are usually more successful than the republicans, or have been for the last four years, inspite of the fact that they are rather disorganized and have alot of internal strife.

The republicans are NOT doing well in spite of the fact that they march in the Goose step march of " NO NO".

No one can step out of line or Rush will destroy you and they are still spinning out and down the toilet.

It boggles my mind that they are not going to take full control of the Congress in this midterm. They are going to make Mr Obama set yet one more record.

They will have Beck Palin and the teabaggers to thank for that one.
 
Congratulations rareboy for not being an American. And to the Canadians for their superior form of government. Now bow to the Queen.
 
^ Obviously someone doesn't have a clue as to how a commonwealth constitutional monarchy state actually runs do they?

But that isn't the point here is it? The point is the paucity of imagination demonstrated by the hysterical right wing talking point parakeets who apparently once heard someone on FOXISTA news use 'Kool-Aid drinker' to disparage liberals and now that is the only label they use now.

And cockbrain? Always interesting to have you pop by. With only 75 posts over 12 months, you'd almost think that there's a sock missing in the dryer. No wait. Let me guess. You're another one who has a life and only bothers to come by once a week to offer only your most mordant and pithy observations.
 
I think part of the reason Rareboy is your election system. It's not contaminated with money as much as the US's cash grab system is. It takes $10 million to $30 million or more to win a Senate seat. It takes $500 million to win the Presidency.

Additionally, a huge number of Americans make up their mind who they are voting for knowing hardly anything about the candidate, outside of what they've seen on TV. Elections here in the US for Senate & President are nothing more than popularity contests.

Public financed elections is the only way to go I believe. Also, I don't think any polling should be allowed in the final 10 days before an election either.
 
I think the term refers to the debacle of Jim Jones and The People's Temple.

Don't Drink The Kool-Aid

In November of 1978, the world was shocked by the suicide deaths of 913 members of the People's Temple cult. Jim Jones, the leader of the group, convinced his followers to move to Jonestown, Guyana, a remote community that Jones carved out of the South American jungle and named after himself. Jones constantly feared losing control of his followers. His paranoia was the main reason he moved the cult to Guyana.

The mass suicide occurred after U.S. Rep. Leo Ryan of California and a team of reporters visited the compound to investigate reports of abuse. After some members tried to leave with the congressman's group, Jim Jones had Ryan and his entourage ambushed at the nearby airstrip. He then ordered his flock to commit suicide by drinking grape-flavored Kool-Aid laced with potassium cyanide.

The mass suicide wasn't a spur-of-the-moment decision. During the weeks that preceded the dreadful event, Jones had conducted a series of suicide drills, according to survivors. An alarm call would sound and every person in the camp would line up to receive a fatal dosage. These exercises in insanity proved that all of the adults at the compound knew what would be the result of their actions.

The People's Temple did not start off as your average mind-controlling cult. It initially gained much respect as an interracial mission for the sick, homeless and jobless. Jim Jones did not manifest his darker side until near the end.

One lasting legacy of the Jonestown tragedy is the saying, "Don't drink the Kool-Aid." This has come to mean, "Don't trust any group you find to be a little on the kooky side." Of course, you would have to know of Kool-Aid's dubious connection to Jim Jones to understand the proverb."

Source Link (added by moderator): http://www.raptureready.com/rr-kool-aid.html
 
Kool Aid, fruit juice - whatever. Your assessment is a dead-on bull's-eye of the problem with American politics. As long as we play these games of who is right - er, uh . . "correct" rather than be problem solvers, nothing will change. If Palin ever comes anywhere nearer to the Presidency than she already has, Move over, because I am moving north!

If it wasn't for cold winters, I would move north now. I need to go to Hawaii instead.
 
If it wasn't for cold winters, I would move north now. I need to go to Hawaii instead.

Come to Singapore! The economy is booming. You get your first $90,000 +/- tax free from the Oppressive States of Americana. The average Singaporean makes nearly 20% more than the average American. Additionally, in Singapore has a 90% home ownership rate, as Singapore believes home ownership is a right not a privilege.
 

And you'd be wrong. :rolleyes: I never said Singapore was perfect. No place is. But I assume you've never been to Singapore have you? (If not, you're doing exactly what the wingnuts do, by Googling a phrase that supports their position and tears down the point, so they can post it without reading it along with supporting understanding and context to the situation.)
 
Well, I posted that to see if I was wrong. Can you explain how? :c) (I'm genuinely curious - it's difficult to gauge attitudes a country has towards its GLBT community over the internet.)

I think it's hard. Especially thru western eyes, into Asian culture and how it views homosexuality. Where you run into opposition from families in Asian culture isn't that you want to sleep with boys/guys. After all, Asian culture is rife with ancient stories and romances about homosexual love affairs and gay warriors in battle as samurais and similar warrior types. Where it runs into difficulty and "rejection" is when you don't want to marry a woman, have babies to carry on your family's name in order to sleep with guys solely. Asian culture is, "boys will be boys", so go fuck your guys on the side no big deal, but marry your girl and have babies. That's the Asian way. Likewise, hiring a prostitute or kyabajō (hostess girl) in Japan at a cocktail bar or hostess bar is no big deal. You can pay for sex or have a boy on the side, but not an affair.

Does any of it make sense to most westerners? No, not really. Then again, western mores are just as hard to "get" to the average Asian person. So strictly from an LGBT view only, as a westerner you won't get harassed by the govt, nor experience any crime much less anti-gay violence or gay bashing from anyone. Singapore is much like San Francisco, Boston, or New York only much, much safer and cleaner. Additionally the economy in Singapore is booming, and is rife with western companies that pay gay partner benefits. So overall, it's better than the USA. From an official policy standpoint? It's tomato / tomatoe.
 
It seems to me that everytime I'm reading or listening to something by a Republican party hack or one of the FOX minions, they inevitably refer to liberals and moderates who find their intellectually bankrupt, racist, homophobic rants repugnant or laughably jejune as Kool-Aid Drinkers.

So I'm puzzled. As a Canadian, I live in a country that has been mostly molded into a civil, inclusive society by liberal liberals and conservative liberals over the last 60 years.

Under the liberals, we ended up with surplus budgets while offering social benefits that help ensure the eradication of grinding poverty. The liberals legalized gay marriage across the country.

We don't actually curl our lips and sneer at one another for our political party beliefs, perhaps because we have a pluralistic parliamentary democracy and are essentially forced to craft our policies through consensus and respect for our underlying Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Within families and households it is not uncommon to have members voting for opposing candidates.

Of course, we've just gone through a toxic phase where a neo-con cobbled together the disaffected right-wing, homophobic, racists from out west under the Reform Party with the last of the red and blue Tories in order to grab the brass ring and attempt to push us to the right. While the attempts to use the American approach of isolating and dividing the eloctorate on wedge issues has been tried up here during the Bush years, it has generally backfired.

Now I did a quick poll among my acquaintances and it turns out that as children almost all of us drank Kool-Aid. Of all flavours. With lots of sugar and sometimes with fruit mixed in. The only person I found who still drinks Kool-Aid is a conservative woman who is also a mom and likes the grape with a shot of Vodka in it.

So what is with this Kool-Aid drinking nonsense?

From where I sit, it seems far more likely that the mormon neo-evangelist Glenn Beck behaves far more like Jim Jones than any of the liberal politicians or media personalities I'm familiar with. He has the same drug-addled messiah complex that Jim Jones seemed to be afflicted with as well as the same paranoic personality. It seems that the NASCAR tea-partiers appear to be much more likely to follow their new false god to the punch-bowl than any of the fractious and more independent minded, nuanced thinkers who consider themselves to be liberal.

Is Kool-Aid Drinker the best shot that the conservative trolls and intellectual midgets have to bandy about?

Just wondering.

Oh, and by the way, it was actually FlaVor-Aid® that the Jonestown crowd drank.

Well, I live in Canada too, and man, I'd have to say we both have a different idea of this country. No offense, but this is the typical auto-Canadian response I see to comparing politics. Defending Canada as a free and just nation (I was here in Toronto during the G-20, and Justice + Canada make LOL now). I also disagree with the charter of rights aspect. I can't donate blood, BECAUSE I am a homosexual male who has had anal sex with men. All I see is Canadians curl their lips and sneer at one another for their political party beliefs, in this multi-party "demo"-crazy system. There are 5+ parties, and none of them have the balls to actually do so good work for the voters.

Steven Harper is an EPIC fail, and Dalton McGunity is a tool beyond tools, and is willing to pass laws in the dark without Ontarians approval. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is undermined with the homophobic law i mentioned, the G-20 Injustice I saw firsthand, and the disregard for voters with Patriot Act style laws being passed in the dark. As for the poverty, well, according to the poverty line for Toronto being $20,000 I am about $12,000 below it. Did you know that the glorious golden laced welfare conservatives claim that exists to keep people from working is a mere $584 a month for a single person, with only about $350 set out for rent (If you can find me an apartment or room that isn't in a Crackhouse in North York, Scarbz, or Parkdale, then let me know).

The same thing that you claimed that poverty was diminished under the liberals. I have my personal reasons and illnesses as for why I can't work and go to University at the same time, and I hope that we can respect my wishes to not talk about what is wrong. But thank God for Rich people who graduated from my uni because they government sure as hell doesn't want to help.

Anyways, my rant is over at the moment, but this country is defiantly not worse off than the United States, but it is so full of it's own pride induced bullshit, that a lot of Canadians fail to see the undermining that the plural parties have done to their basic human rights. Canada should not be a beacon for nations to follow, rather somewhere like Norway, Denmark, or Sweden, where they don't like to have their citizens in the streets.
 
I think part of the reason Rareboy is your election system. It's not contaminated with money as much as the US's cash grab system is. It takes $10 million to $30 million or more to win a Senate seat. It takes $500 million to win the Presidency.

Additionally, a huge number of Americans make up their mind who they are voting for knowing hardly anything about the candidate, outside of what they've seen on TV. Elections here in the US for Senate & President are nothing more than popularity contests.

Public financed elections is the only way to go I believe. Also, I don't think any polling should be allowed in the final 10 days before an election either.

Actually, we are not aloud to vote for our upper house OR our own fucking Prime Minister or Governor General. I'd say our election system is beyond fucked. I would love to actually vote for my leader. Senate seats are given to the party faithful when they old folks on life support check out or resign. We get to vote for MP's and MPP's. And who ever's party gets the most votes, becomes PM. Sounds great doesn't it? You may love your local congressman, but if he is a Republican, then that would make i.e. Palin one step closer to becoming President if she was running in the next election. This is why I hate the election system here, it is 100% asinine. You don't actually get to vote for your senate (senate), president (prime minister/ Gov. General). Very undemocratic if you ask me.

Thinking about this has angered me beyond need for 11 PM *sigh* -_-
 
^ Well young man, the idea of an appointed upper house is to de-politicize their deliberations. And it works very well.

As for electing a leader, don't be foolish. When people vote, they have their eyes on the leader; they know who is going to be prime minister.

And again, the idea is to avoid the cult of leadership.

You need to take some basic civics courses.
 
I see, so you like the reward positions then? I for one like to elect everyone who is supposedly "representing" me.

Well, I will avoid the classic argumentum ad hominem fallacy, and say that, contrary to what you imply, one's age does not make the validity of their statements fluctuate. i.e. Just because you are old, doesn't mean you are senile. The ruler shouldn't have to be the top insight when one votes for a local MP, people deserve to elect someone who will best represent them, without fear that it will put someone ineffective into power at the top. I like the fact that when I get to vote in US elections I can choose my local rep, who will do the best for Boston, then vote for the candidate for president, even if they aren't the same, and both be able to serve.

Perhaps it is best for you to not make assumptions about me based purely on my age, at least I list my age and city. Can you say the same, rareboy?
 
I see, so you like the reward positions then? I for one like to elect everyone who is supposedly "representing" me.

Well, I will avoid the classic argumentum ad hominem fallacy, and say that, contrary to what you imply, one's age does not make the validity of their statements fluctuate. i.e. Just because you are old, doesn't mean you are senile. The ruler shouldn't have to be the top insight when one votes for a local MP, people deserve to elect someone who will best represent them, without fear that it will put someone ineffective into power at the top. I like the fact that when I get to vote in US elections I can choose my local rep, who will do the best for Boston, then vote for the candidate for president, even if they aren't the same, and both be able to serve.

Perhaps it is best for you to not make assumptions about me based purely on my age, at least I list my age and city. Can you say the same, rareboy?

politicians elect their leader is best because it is their full time job.
Most people don't have a clue who their leaders are or stands for.
 
Hey Toronto.

You may think that the leader embodies the party, but this is what has resulted in dictators and personalities rather than parties leading the government. It may give you a chub to directly vote for the 'glorious leader', but the Canadian system of government, modelled on parliamentary democracy was specifically designed to ensure that no one man or post becomes so powerful as to think they are the government, versus the servant of their government.

The appointed senate has largely transcended politics; generally there is great co-operation and consensus as the senators do their 'work' in polishing legislation and helping to keep the government of the day more accountable. I know that on many occasions, senators have put aside partisanship to forge consensus on legislation and enact policies that are in the best interest of all the people. Because there is no electioneering, the Senate does not become competition for the House of Commons. The Senate is not there to directly represent any one person. They are there to represent the broader interests and to help ensure sober second thought before any act of Parliament is enacted.

Your American style of politics would undo all of that. Canadian politics would be as subject to the endless partisan nastiness that now engulfs the US. The prime minister would become separated from the legislative branch and the Senate would effectively become a competing and even more unnecessary branch of government.

Did you even take a civics course in high school?

My advice? You'd better move back to Boston and be happy there, because I'd give my last breath to prevent Canada from becoming a federal, presidential system that you desire.

And yes. I'm older. And I'm Canadian. And I understand our system of government. For all its imperfections, it is working much better at the moment than our neighbours to the south.
 
:=D: :=D: :=D:

The U.S. screwed up royally when the Senate was changed to be by popular vote. If I could change it back, each state legislature would pick three candidates for a Senate seat and the governor would choose one of those.

And cockbrain?

A cock has a head, so shouldn't it have a brain? :p

Public financed elections is the only way to go I believe. Also, I don't think any polling should be allowed in the final 10 days before an election either.

Screw public financing. Just get corporations out of it.

If it wasn't for cold winters, I would move north now. I need to go to Hawaii instead.

Me, too.

Then we secede and go back to a monarchy. :cool:
 
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