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Kristen Bjorn doesn't want you reselling his DVDs on eBay

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I tried listing one of his DVDs on eBay and his minions had it removed with the swiftness. When I respectfully asked Bjon's rep what I did to offend thee he replied with some evasive ramblings. When I wrote back requesting clarification, hoping to get a minion-to-english translation, all I got was a slightly rearranged reguritation of the same programmed nonsense. The Kool-Aid tub is kept full over in Bjorntown. I said all this to say if you're thinking about buying that new $50 DVD be sure it's worth it because you'll be stuck with it.
 
Telstra said:
does eBay allow people to sell adult films ?
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eBay has an "Adults Only" section. It used to be called "Mature Audiences". You need to be a US resident (I think) and provide them with a valid credit card before they will allow you access to it. No one goes there. Shit sells for like .99 cents over there. It's not even worth the bother. I'd have better luck standing on a street corner begging for spare change.
 
Big Mo said:
eBay has an "Adults Only" section. It used to be called "Mature Audiences". You need to be a US resident (I think) and provide them with a valid credit card before they will allow you access to it. No one goes there. Shit sells for like .99 cents over there. It's not even worth the bother. I'd have better luck standing on a street corner begging for spare change.
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if the US want to improve their economy, they should allow people to sell anything non-lethal around the world.
 
That would be too much like right (as my great aunt would say). It'll never happen.
 
That is so wrong. If I purchase a copy of one of his movies on DVD, I own that, it's my physical property. As long as I didn't make a copy of it and sell the copies I have every right to resell the original item I own.

Kristen Bjorn's movies are terrific; beautiful masculine men, passionate sex, exotic locales.

Garth Brooks tried to stop the re-sale of his CD's too. All it did was anger his fans and they got back at him by actively posting his music on the internet. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Yes, ebay has lots of adult XXX movies, etc in their adult area. They're not anything special as someone else mentioned.... at 99¢ a DVD..... you get what you pay for.
 
bw92116 said:
Reminds me of the time the RIAA tried to get some sort of tax or fee out of any sale of a used CD. They thought that the first buyer was paying for his/her use of it, then the person buying it used had to pay them again for their use of it, and so on. I think that idea bit the dust pretty quick. My opinion is if it came to a court trial, you would win, that Bjorn could not stop you from selling the DVD. An argument could be made in court that you were simply transferring the license you had to watch it to another person, and that you would not be able to watch it again. I think that argument would be likely hold up in court. Bjorn would likely fight it tooth and nail, of course, claiming that you did not have the right to transfer your license of it to someone else. If I were on the jury, I would be on your side though. Bjorn already got his money once from the sale of the DVD, he's just trying to get more money out of it.

And when VCRs first became popular 30 years ago, there was a lawsuit by the media companies to prevent home taping of broadcast shows, as a violation of copyright. That went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court and lost. The court said it was merely "time-shifting" so that people who had to work or for whatever reason couldn't watch the show while it was broadcast, could record it to watch it at a later time. That's not the same issue of course, but I think the law would probably come down on your side, unless you physically signed some sort of contract when you originally bought the DVD, agreeing that it could never be transferred to another person. Ebay is just being chicken by siding with Bjorn instead of you.
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Thanks, bw. On a completely unrelated note... how you doin'? [said in my best Wendy Williams voice] If you need anymore pictures taken, let me know, just bought a new camera.:D
 
^ gay porn producer in the 80s.
He is a multimillionaires by producing porn ......
 
Telstra said:
^ gay porn producer in the 80s.
He is a multimillionaires by producing porn ......
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Doubt that he is a multi-millionaire from producing porn. Where the hell did that insight come from? Sounds like the lame excuse pirates and thieves use to justify stealing. "Oh, he/she is a millionaire, so it's not so bad if I upload this to hotfile."
 
wow.....the amount of self-righteous logic in this thread is absolutely astounding.

When you buy a cd or movie you ARE NOT buying the RIGHTS to it. You cannot resell it, because you don't have the RIGHTS to the actual film.

Look up some copyright law.
 
tidimus said:
wow.....the amount of self-righteous logic in this thread is absolutely astounding.

When you buy a cd or movie you ARE NOT buying the RIGHTS to it. You cannot resell it, because you don't have the RIGHTS to the actual film.

Look up some copyright law.
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You are absolutely incorrect. Copyright law gives you the right to resell. Otherwise there would be no used book stores. Books and movies are very much the same under the law.

There's currently a huge debate about purely-electronic download sales. Amazon feels that you should only be able to rent them; the sane people think that if they say you're "buying" the book, you should be able to resell it, keep it as long as you want, whatever. Amazon has the technological ability, and believes it has the legal right, to delete the book remotely from your Kindle and refund your money whenever it wants, and that you have no right to lend or sell the file when you're done with it -- rights that are protected for physical books under copyright law.

There is in fact NO debate about physical media (books, tapes, CDs, DVDs). Everyone agrees that you have the right to resell and lend (but not copy) those.

Don't tell other people to look up copyright law unless you're familiar with it yourself.
 
I stand corrected. I was riled up about something else and did not read the first post all the way through. For that I apologize.

OP, did you contact Ebay instead asking why they removed it? If they didn't do it for copyright reasons, what was it? Unless you were selling a copy.
 
tidimus said:
I stand corrected. I was riled up about something else and did not read the first post all the way through. For that I apologize.

OP, did you contact Ebay instead asking why they removed it? If they didn't do it for copyright reasons, what was it? Unless you were selling a copy.
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WOW! Just...WOW!
 
bw92116 said:
Reminds me of the time the RIAA tried to get some sort of tax or fee out of any sale of a used CD. They thought that the first buyer was paying for his/her use of it, then the person buying it used had to pay them again for their use of it, and so on. I think that idea bit the dust pretty quick. My opinion is if it came to a court trial, you would win, that Bjorn could not stop you from selling the DVD. An argument could be made in court that you were simply transferring the license you had to watch it to another person, and that you would not be able to watch it again. I think that argument would be likely hold up in court. Bjorn would likely fight it tooth and nail, of course, claiming that you did not have the right to transfer your license of it to someone else. If I were on the jury, I would be on your side though. Bjorn already got his money once from the sale of the DVD, he's just trying to get more money out of it.

And when VCRs first became popular 30 years ago, there was a lawsuit by the media companies to prevent home taping of broadcast shows, as a violation of copyright. That went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court and lost. The court said it was merely "time-shifting" so that people who had to work or for whatever reason couldn't watch the show while it was broadcast, could record it to watch it at a later time. That's not the same issue of course, but I think the law would probably come down on your side, unless you physically signed some sort of contract when you originally bought the DVD, agreeing that it could never be transferred to another person. Ebay is just being chicken by siding with Bjorn instead of you.
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You are spot on! There is NO legal basis for this Bjorn person to stop you from reselling the DVD, once you paid for it, it is yours to do what you want with, as long as you aren't copying it for resale.
Ebay is a spineless shadow of the company it once was, and they should NOT have pulled the auction, but that's just what those morons do over there. Forget Ebay...put it on Craigslist or something...
 
cyravance said:
You are spot on! There is NO legal basis for this Bjorn person to stop you from reselling the DVD, once you paid for it, it is yours to do what you want with, as long as you aren't copying it for resale.
Ebay is a spineless shadow of the company it once was, and they should NOT have pulled the auction, but that's just what those morons do over there. Forget Ebay...put it on Craigslist or something...
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I've attemped to sell non-porn DVDs on Craigslist and no one responded to my ads. At least no one serious about buying anything. Doesn't Craigslist have a no pornographic material policy? I'm pretty sure I read that when I posted my ads. As much as eBay is hated I can't understand why they have no real competitors. I've been to ioffer.com, it looks like a bootlegger's swap meet. I've tried selling stuff on eBid.net, that place is like no man's land. Something like three views the entire month I had my stuff up. That's insane! Seriously, why doesn't eBay have any competition?
 
tidimus said:
again, I want to know why e-bay agreed to remove it
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eBay removed it because the copyright owner told them to do so on the shaky grounds that the photograph I took of the DVD case contained their copyrighted images. That, and eBay is run by nitwits. I was not selling a bootleg copy as you have accused and did not violate any of eBay's policies.
 
Big Mo said:
eBay removed it because the copyright owner told them to do so on the shaky grounds that the photograph I took of the DVD case contained their copyrighted images. That, and eBay is run by nitwits. I was not selling a bootleg copy as you have accused and did not violate any of eBay's policies.
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So repost it again without the photograph, but add a link to it.
 
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