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[metta]

But they are all Americans.

 

[NotHardUp1]

^Oh my. You should watch the news or read a newspaper.

But I forget. Things are only correct if YOU think they are

Snide remarks don't change the data though. I cited an example of Texans and their deeply divided voting, to which nothing was offered to refute it beyond your ad hominem. I'm ok with being reviled, as the point of posting counterarguments is to make a valid point. And when points are not negated, they stand.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Don't forget that Hawaii is one of the fifty states, but Puerto Rico is not.

I'm not sure how that effects their citizenship compared to Puerto Ricans.

Just over 500,000 Americans claim Hawaiian ancestry. Over 5.6 million Americans are of Puerto Rican descent. Puerto Ricans IN Puerto Rico ARE American citizens.

The citizens of the District of Columbia are not in one of the 50 states. I didn't notice the attack on the Pentagon on 9/11 getting second scrift because DC isn't a state. (And yes, the Pentagon is in Virginia but, just like Americans who are oblivious to Puerto Rico, most think it is in DC, so perception matters.)

Geographically, both Hawaii and Alaska are far from the mainland, unlike Puerto Rico, and both capitalize on it (for tourism) and relish it (for isolation and keeping other Americans from buying there.)

Because Puerto Rico AND DC have been blocked by Republicans from becoming states, their less-than-state status can't be counted against them. As long as they would enter the union and vote Democrat, they won't be allowed until the GOP can find two other vassals to come in and vote Republican. Perhaps the Batistas in Florida could retake Cuba and come back as a state? And Jamaica. It's so homophobic that surely they would vote GOP and corrupt enough to be bought outright. Trump couldn't get Norway to sell, but Jamaica would be much cheaper.

 

[Kahaih]

Don't forget that Hawaii is one of the fifty states, but Puerto Rico is not.

Right.

In the last Statehood referendum put before Puerto Rico only 52.52% of the voters were in favor. That's not a big majority.

47.5% of Puerto Rico's voters don't want US Statehood, so just how interested in their well-being should Americans be? 50%?

 

[Kahaih]

/\ Not a minor consideration is the fact that without full Statehood, Puerto Rico does not have representation in Washington. And, apparently, 47.5% don't want it.

 

[Alistair]

Snide remarks don't change the data though. I cited an example of Texans and their deeply divided voting, to which nothing was offered to refute it beyond your ad hominem. I'm ok with being reviled, as the point of posting counterarguments is to make a valid point. And when points are not negated, they stand.

I don’t think you really believe half of what you write. You just like to argue with everyone.

 

[metta]

/\ Not a minor consideration is the fact that without full Statehood, Puerto Rico does not have representation in Washington. And, apparently, 47.5% don't want it.

Some want to be independent. Some want statehood. Some want a mix of both. It is complicated. I can't blame the ones that want to be independent. It is awful the way the USA has treated them. The Jones Act is abusive.

 

[NotHardUp1]

A lot of people don't realize it, but there is a substantial Puerto Rican population in Florida, and there has been for decades. Recently many Puerto Ricans moved to Florida after the devastation from hurricane Maria. Remember, they are American citizens, so they can travel freely to the mainland.

That is pretty surprising. The cost of living in PR must be comparatively very low when looking at Florida. One wonders how well they can live in Florida without being rih like the Cubans who came decades ago and created a network to help other Cubans move up.

Right.

In the last Statehood referendum put before Puerto Rico only 52.52% of the voters were in favor. That's not a big majority.

47.5% of Puerto Rico's voters don't want US Statehood, so just how interested in their well-being should Americans be? 50%?

If we're doing math, why should anyone vote to give gays anything when we only constitute 5% of the population, or trans citizens who are less than 1/10th of 1%.

I don’t think you really believe half of what you write. You just like to argue with everyone.

So, that makes me a troll and a liar in your pronouncement. That's not news.

There's nothing improbable in me believing 100% of what I write and enjoying debate, too.

I like helping to balance the scales in ideas being presented on a forum. From the very beginning of joining JUB, I posted viewpoints that were at odds with positions on the right, left, and center, and said why I did. JUB's propensity to become an echo chamber has increased over the years as members were run off.

You apparently enjoy arguing enough to keep me off Ignore when you go out of your way to repeated attack my posts with personal comments rather than refute the evidence I post in them. The difference being that this is Hot Topics and I expect subjects to be in fact hot, and for people to engage in strong ways rather than everyone agree with what his friends post.

As for defending accusations of being a troll or a liar, I post on a wide range of threads, comic posts, other times sympathetic or celebratory, and many times critical and analytical. As for lying, see my earlier comments about not answering evidence with evidence to the contrary. It's easier to smear than to disprove asserted evidence.

When debate is ridiculed as "arguing," it strongly indicates the desire is for uniformity and congruity more than it is to see as diverse a span of views as possible, or even a significant diversity of a few views. I'm for ideas being debated and I'll gladly stand by that. Whenever opinions are presented as fact or true, any valid contradictory evidence should be presented in the interest of real consideration of the topic rather the bobbleheads tilting.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Right.

BTW, congratulations on passing 7,000 posts. We used to have threads congratulating, but not any more. I still think its nice to see people reaching those milestones.

 

[Alistair]

JUB's propensity to become an echo chamber has increased over the years as members were run off.

How many of them were run off by you?

 

[NotHardUp1]

How many of them were run off by you?

How many of them were run off by you?

How many of them were run off by you?

How many of them were run off by you?

How many of them were run off by you?

 

[Alistair]

That’s mature

 

[smokeshadow]

Now, now, children

 

[metta]

That is pretty surprising. The cost of living in PR must be comparatively very low when looking at Florida. One wonders how well they can live in Florida without being rih like the Cubans who came decades ago and created a network to help other Cubans move up.

The cost of living is expensive in Puerto Rico. Most things have to be shipped in. And the Jones Act makes sure that it is ridiculously expensive to do so. The basic infrastructure is not maintained properly. It is not an easy place to live. A lot of people leave Puerto Rico after major disasters, and they have had several. I doubt that Puerto Rico is cheaper than Florida.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I just can't imagine rents and mortgages are anywhere near Florida prices in PR, but I don't know. Those prices are driven by a market able to pay. Puerto Rico isn't known for that, is it?

 

[metta]

I just can't imagine rents and mortgages are anywhere near Florida prices in PR, but I don't know. Those prices are driven by a market able to pay. Puerto Rico isn't known for that, is it?

Crypto pushed prices up on real estate. A lot of crypto investors moved to Puerto Rico for the tax savings on crypto.