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Lady Gaga [Mega-Merged] Discussion Thread
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
Will Lady Gaga, Whitney Houston, Madonna, Mariah Carey...STILL BE TALKED ABOUT 100 years from now?
No, I'm not "picking on female singers" - it just happens that these are the most successful artists to emerge in the past thirty years - it's a coincidence, the luck of the draw...
I'm just not that sure people will be talking about Lady Gaga 100 years from now. Among those "POP ARTISTS" that we're familiar with currently, I think people will still be talking about: The Beatles, Frank Sinatra, Michael Jackson, The Rolling Stones, Madonna, Johnny Cash, Elton John, Diana Ross, Pink Floyd, Patsy Cline, Elvis Presley...and maybe five or ten others.
Of course all this assumes that we don't blow ourselves up first...
Will Lady Gaga, Whitney Houston, Madonna, Mariah Carey...STILL BE TALKED ABOUT 100 years from now?
No, I'm not "picking on female singers" - it just happens that these are the most successful artists to emerge in the past thirty years - it's a coincidence, the luck of the draw...
I'm just not that sure people will be talking about Lady Gaga 100 years from now. Among those "POP ARTISTS" that we're familiar with currently, I think people will still be talking about: The Beatles, Frank Sinatra, Michael Jackson, The Rolling Stones, Madonna, Johnny Cash, Elton John, Diana Ross, Pink Floyd, Patsy Cline, Elvis Presley...and maybe five or ten others.
Of course all this assumes that we don't blow ourselves up first...
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
As with KISS, who one day stopped doing the whole make-up thing, I do wonder if people will get bored eventually.
I'm sure the good Lady herself has already.
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As with KISS, who one day stopped doing the whole make-up thing, I do wonder if people will get bored eventually.
I'm sure the good Lady herself has already.
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GameOver
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
Exactly what I'm getting at. It doesn't matter if Madonna did it before, or if David Bowie did it before, etc. If you aren't old enough to have experienced that, or willing to take a time machine back to those eras, that's all irrelevant. The fact is, every generation will have a musician that is considered significant for constantly break boundaries and challenging what is considered the social norm. Just the same, every generation will be filled with people from one of the previous generations screaming "it's been done before!" or "I don't get [insert artist name here]". That's just the nature of the industry. People didn't "get" Madonna or Gaga's other predecessors either. It's just that we often choose to forget that fact. So what if someone did something similar 15 or 20 years ago. Is it wrong to bring a similar concept to the next generation so that they can enjoy it too, perhaps with a modern spin on it? Absolutely not.
Exactly what I'm getting at. It doesn't matter if Madonna did it before, or if David Bowie did it before, etc. If you aren't old enough to have experienced that, or willing to take a time machine back to those eras, that's all irrelevant. The fact is, every generation will have a musician that is considered significant for constantly break boundaries and challenging what is considered the social norm. Just the same, every generation will be filled with people from one of the previous generations screaming "it's been done before!" or "I don't get [insert artist name here]". That's just the nature of the industry. People didn't "get" Madonna or Gaga's other predecessors either. It's just that we often choose to forget that fact. So what if someone did something similar 15 or 20 years ago. Is it wrong to bring a similar concept to the next generation so that they can enjoy it too, perhaps with a modern spin on it? Absolutely not.
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
I like Lady Gaga. She is different and I think she is a positive image.
I like Lady Gaga. She is different and I think she is a positive image.
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
^You're not doing a good job of listening, because Esquire (in particular) has been doing a great job of explaining how she is so popular, and even explained why she's relevant today, as far as the scope of pop goes.
Basically, what was old is new again. But you might just be jaded.
^You're not doing a good job of listening, because Esquire (in particular) has been doing a great job of explaining how she is so popular, and even explained why she's relevant today, as far as the scope of pop goes.
Basically, what was old is new again. But you might just be jaded.
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
What is there to 'get' exactly?
She's a singer/songwriter/performer.
I mean, I don't 'get' the hero-worship of Bob Dylan, Neil Young, The Beatles, U2, Michael Jackson, Madonna, and most other singer/songwriter/performers either.
As far as I am concerned they all did the odd good tune (including Ms Gaga), and that's it, so what? Most of their output is merely sonic-landfill in the cosmic scheme of things. Gaga appears to be no better or worse than anyone else who cranks out music-for the masses.](/images/smilies/bang.gif "Brick wall ](*,)")
As for originality ... everything in popular entertainment seems to be a copy.
What is there to 'get' exactly?
She's a singer/songwriter/performer.
I mean, I don't 'get' the hero-worship of Bob Dylan, Neil Young, The Beatles, U2, Michael Jackson, Madonna, and most other singer/songwriter/performers either.
As far as I am concerned they all did the odd good tune (including Ms Gaga), and that's it, so what? Most of their output is merely sonic-landfill in the cosmic scheme of things. Gaga appears to be no better or worse than anyone else who cranks out music-for the masses.
As for originality ... everything in popular entertainment seems to be a copy.
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
That goes back to what Lucky just said.
I don't watch her like you guys do - but I can tell you now her Saturn dress on SNL a couple years back was genius, in my opinion.
That goes back to what Lucky just said.
I don't watch her like you guys do - but I can tell you now her Saturn dress on SNL a couple years back was genius, in my opinion.
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
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Some of us were around for the forerunners who 'influenced' Madonna.
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Some of us were around for the forerunners who 'influenced' Madonna.
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
Some of us were around for Grace Jones and know who Robyn is as well. So, you know, we've seen and heard things.
Still, and I think i'll have to keep saying this, what was old is new again.
Now, I'm going to listen to metal, cleanse thyself of all this pop talk. I need to see a show, BAD.
Some of us were around for Grace Jones and know who Robyn is as well. So, you know, we've seen and heard things.
Still, and I think i'll have to keep saying this, what was old is new again.
Now, I'm going to listen to metal, cleanse thyself of all this pop talk. I need to see a show, BAD.
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
Re-read what Esquire wrote.
People have different tastes. It's really not that complicated.
I don't get death metal, but I move on. I figure, there's an appeal there for some people, but I'm not one of them.
Well, some of her outfits are pretty skimpy even if they're weird.
This is NOT an "I HATE Lady Gaga" thread!
This is a "Help me to understand why her popularity is so high, when her level of presentation is so homespun" thread.
Maybe I'm jaded. Maybe I remember all too well the club kids of the 80s, Madonna and Cher, and the everpresent drag queens in our little subculture. While one can argue that there is nothing new under the sun, I can't help but wonder if all of you gaylings (20 something gays) don't fully comprehend our cultural history. My feeling is that you don't.
Honestly if you have not seen Madonna perform Vogue in 18th century French drag . . . . well, I have nothing more to say to you.
Re-read what Esquire wrote.
People have different tastes. It's really not that complicated.
I don't get death metal, but I move on. I figure, there's an appeal there for some people, but I'm not one of them.
Well, some of her outfits are pretty skimpy even if they're weird.
Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
I LOVE GaGa!
I didn't read this entire thread because it was a lot of back and forth banter. I can understand the different perspectives of her though but am also able to defend the negativity and try to explain a bit. Hopefully not blindly. I love her stuff but can also admit when things aren't their shiniest.
PS: I also LOVE Madonna too! So in a war between the two... they both win my love!
I LOVE GaGa!
I didn't read this entire thread because it was a lot of back and forth banter. I can understand the different perspectives of her though but am also able to defend the negativity and try to explain a bit. Hopefully not blindly. I love her stuff but can also admit when things aren't their shiniest.
PS: I also LOVE Madonna too! So in a war between the two... they both win my love!
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
It's one thing to be 'influenced,' but it's another to have no swag of your own. And that's this bitch's problem. Gaga has no swag of her own. She's *blatantly* influenced by this one, by that one, by this one, by that one....to the point where her whole presentation is overwhelmed by her influences, and seems like a complete bite. She brings absolutely no originality or spin to it that's uniquely hers. She's like someone who stops and picks up food from Pizza Hut, KFC, McDonalds, Taco Bell, Long John Silver and DQ...then comes home and their dumbass family gushes about how good a cook they are because they put it on plates -- despite how they didn't even bother to throw the bags away.
Everyone artist has their influences, and every artist revisits something similar to what someone from a previous generation did. Fine, sure, great. But what makes an artist a good one is *adding* to it, or at the very least putting an original attitude and interpretation on it that IS fresh and unique, so much so that doesn't come off like plagiarism....and basically IS original. She doesn't do that. Michael was influenced by James Brown, Fred Astaire and street breakers, but at no point while watching him perform did anyone roll their eyes and think "James Brown already did that."
THAT's the problem with this latest generation of "talent" and their fans that didn't so much much exist 20-30 years ago. The copycatting today is a lot more blatant, and few seem offput by it. It gets dismissed as "hey…no big deal…everyone is influenced by something…" Nah...Gaga is more the influenced by her idols; she copycats and a swagger jacks them. And that's one of the reasons I have zero respect for her or any appreciation to any talent she MIGHT have.
Speaking of generations, it really annoys me when people use the excuse that this latest rehatched theme and ripoff is bringing it to a new generation; It's like when horror films of the late 70s and 80s get remade and defenders defend it by claiming that it's being revamped and introduced to a new generation. Bullshit. The new generation can take their asses to Blockbuster and rent the original.
It's one thing to be 'influenced,' but it's another to have no swag of your own. And that's this bitch's problem. Gaga has no swag of her own. She's *blatantly* influenced by this one, by that one, by this one, by that one....to the point where her whole presentation is overwhelmed by her influences, and seems like a complete bite. She brings absolutely no originality or spin to it that's uniquely hers. She's like someone who stops and picks up food from Pizza Hut, KFC, McDonalds, Taco Bell, Long John Silver and DQ...then comes home and their dumbass family gushes about how good a cook they are because they put it on plates -- despite how they didn't even bother to throw the bags away.
Everyone artist has their influences, and every artist revisits something similar to what someone from a previous generation did. Fine, sure, great. But what makes an artist a good one is *adding* to it, or at the very least putting an original attitude and interpretation on it that IS fresh and unique, so much so that doesn't come off like plagiarism....and basically IS original. She doesn't do that. Michael was influenced by James Brown, Fred Astaire and street breakers, but at no point while watching him perform did anyone roll their eyes and think "James Brown already did that."
THAT's the problem with this latest generation of "talent" and their fans that didn't so much much exist 20-30 years ago. The copycatting today is a lot more blatant, and few seem offput by it. It gets dismissed as "hey…no big deal…everyone is influenced by something…" Nah...Gaga is more the influenced by her idols; she copycats and a swagger jacks them. And that's one of the reasons I have zero respect for her or any appreciation to any talent she MIGHT have.
Speaking of generations, it really annoys me when people use the excuse that this latest rehatched theme and ripoff is bringing it to a new generation; It's like when horror films of the late 70s and 80s get remade and defenders defend it by claiming that it's being revamped and introduced to a new generation. Bullshit. The new generation can take their asses to Blockbuster and rent the original.
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Re: I don't "get" Lady Gaga
^I'm not entirely sold on any of this, truth be told, all that stuff in your opening paragraph about influences.
Personally, I reckon she's got the world eating out of the palm of of her hand because they haven't yet realised she's simply taking the piss. She's found a formula which works, and she's exploiting it.
I'll admit I haven't paid enough attention to the content to decide whether it is proper art or just catchy and clever-enough pop with loads of imagery, but at face-value I'm not convinced she isn't just having a go, posing as the progeny of a genetic cross between Madonna and Borat.
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^I'm not entirely sold on any of this, truth be told, all that stuff in your opening paragraph about influences.
Personally, I reckon she's got the world eating out of the palm of of her hand because they haven't yet realised she's simply taking the piss. She's found a formula which works, and she's exploiting it.
I'll admit I haven't paid enough attention to the content to decide whether it is proper art or just catchy and clever-enough pop with loads of imagery, but at face-value I'm not convinced she isn't just having a go, posing as the progeny of a genetic cross between Madonna and Borat.
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Re: The Official LADY GAGA Mega-thread
CONGRATS Gagaaaa!
http://www.billboard.com/...his-way-1005208502.story
It's Official: Lady Gaga's 'Born This Way' Sells 1,108,000
Lady Gaga .Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" album debuts at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart with 1,108,000 million copies sold in its first week, according to Nielsen SoundScan. It's only the 17th album to sell a million in a week since SoundScan began tracking sales data in 1991, and the highest sales week since 2005.
"Born This Way" also marks Gaga's first No. 1 album -- "The Fame" debut peaked at No. 2, while "The Fame Monster" EP reached No. 5 and dance effort "The Remix" hit No. 6.
"Born This Way's" bow reaps the largest sales week of any album since 50 Cent's "The Massacre" did 1,141,000 in its first week, in March of 2005. The last time we had a million-plus frame was when Taylor Swift's "Speak Now" premiered at No. 1 with 1,006,000 in November of 2010. The SoundScan-era record week is held by NSYNC's "No Strings Attached," when it debuted at No. 1 with 2,416,000 in 2000.
Additionally, Gaga is only the fifth woman to notch a million-plus week. The record frame for a woman is held by the bow of Britney Spears' "Oops! I Did It Again," which started with 1,319,000 upon its release in May of 2000. "The Bodyguard" soundtrack, driven by Whitney Houston songs, was the first SoundScan-era album to shift a million, and it did so over the busy Christmas shopping week of 1992 (1,061,000). Later, Norah Jonas' "Feels Like Home" debuted with 1,022,000 in 2004, and then the aforementioned Swift sizzled just last year.
While there wasn't any doubt as to whether Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" album would debut at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 -- that's been an assumption for months -- its first-week number was always in question. A month ago, executives at Gaga's record company, Universal Music Group, were expecting a first week total of around 400,000.
That number escalated to 650,000-700,000 by its release on Monday, May 23 -- the same day AmazonMP3 announced its controversial decision to sell the album for 99-cents for one day only. By last Wednesday (May 25), sources indicated that a million-unit week seemed quite plausible. Once Amazon opted to again sell the set for 99-cents on Thursday, May 26, "Born This Way's" million-unit week was all but guaranteed. It's estimated that AmazonMP3 sold upwards of 440,000 downloads of its 99-cent "Born This Way" album.
Gaga's total downloads haul from all digital retailers was 662,000 -- the biggest week for a digital album in SoundScan history. It represents 60% of the set's overall first week.
A full recap of the week's top 10 selling albums and digital songs will follow on Wednesday morning (June 1).
CONGRATS Gagaaaa!
http://www.billboard.com/...his-way-1005208502.story
It's Official: Lady Gaga's 'Born This Way' Sells 1,108,000
Lady Gaga .Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" album debuts at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart with 1,108,000 million copies sold in its first week, according to Nielsen SoundScan. It's only the 17th album to sell a million in a week since SoundScan began tracking sales data in 1991, and the highest sales week since 2005.
"Born This Way" also marks Gaga's first No. 1 album -- "The Fame" debut peaked at No. 2, while "The Fame Monster" EP reached No. 5 and dance effort "The Remix" hit No. 6.
"Born This Way's" bow reaps the largest sales week of any album since 50 Cent's "The Massacre" did 1,141,000 in its first week, in March of 2005. The last time we had a million-plus frame was when Taylor Swift's "Speak Now" premiered at No. 1 with 1,006,000 in November of 2010. The SoundScan-era record week is held by NSYNC's "No Strings Attached," when it debuted at No. 1 with 2,416,000 in 2000.
Additionally, Gaga is only the fifth woman to notch a million-plus week. The record frame for a woman is held by the bow of Britney Spears' "Oops! I Did It Again," which started with 1,319,000 upon its release in May of 2000. "The Bodyguard" soundtrack, driven by Whitney Houston songs, was the first SoundScan-era album to shift a million, and it did so over the busy Christmas shopping week of 1992 (1,061,000). Later, Norah Jonas' "Feels Like Home" debuted with 1,022,000 in 2004, and then the aforementioned Swift sizzled just last year.
While there wasn't any doubt as to whether Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" album would debut at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 -- that's been an assumption for months -- its first-week number was always in question. A month ago, executives at Gaga's record company, Universal Music Group, were expecting a first week total of around 400,000.
That number escalated to 650,000-700,000 by its release on Monday, May 23 -- the same day AmazonMP3 announced its controversial decision to sell the album for 99-cents for one day only. By last Wednesday (May 25), sources indicated that a million-unit week seemed quite plausible. Once Amazon opted to again sell the set for 99-cents on Thursday, May 26, "Born This Way's" million-unit week was all but guaranteed. It's estimated that AmazonMP3 sold upwards of 440,000 downloads of its 99-cent "Born This Way" album.
Gaga's total downloads haul from all digital retailers was 662,000 -- the biggest week for a digital album in SoundScan history. It represents 60% of the set's overall first week.
A full recap of the week's top 10 selling albums and digital songs will follow on Wednesday morning (June 1).
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Re: The Official LADY GAGA Mega-thread
So one-third of her sales came from the $1 deal. I hope she had a good deal in place with Amazon for that...
So one-third of her sales came from the $1 deal. I hope she had a good deal in place with Amazon for that...
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Re: The Official LADY GAGA Mega-thread
It should also be noted Gaga apparently wants nine singles from this CD. Oops!... I Did It Again only had four singles, none of which hit #1 on the Hot 100 (if I recall correctly). So who cares? Born This Way has huge staying power, the tracks on it will be played in clubs for decades to come...and with nine singles, it will break the 5 million mark in America with ease and launch Gaga into the 35m+ records sold worldwide category with her combined albums in a whopping three years of release. And as star that was recently noted as "the most pirated musician in the world", that's extremely fucking impressive.
I'm just waiting for an Americano remix with Beyonce or Madonna to continue the Paparazzi/Telephone saga.
It should also be noted Gaga apparently wants nine singles from this CD. Oops!... I Did It Again only had four singles, none of which hit #1 on the Hot 100 (if I recall correctly). So who cares? Born This Way has huge staying power, the tracks on it will be played in clubs for decades to come...and with nine singles, it will break the 5 million mark in America with ease and launch Gaga into the 35m+ records sold worldwide category with her combined albums in a whopping three years of release. And as star that was recently noted as "the most pirated musician in the world", that's extremely fucking impressive.
I'm just waiting for an Americano remix with Beyonce or Madonna to continue the Paparazzi/Telephone saga.
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No disrespect meant here, but I'll believe that when it happens. There's usually a sharp sales decrease after an album's opening week, and a third of her sales this week already came from an insane bargain on Amazon.
I also hope she doesn't do nine singles altogether, as that could overexpose her really fast and make people care less. I mean, just with Judas, it came out, hit #10 thanks to sales and then was dropped hard for Edge of Glory even though it could have gone higher. I felt like it barely even registered with me as a single in the same way that Paparazzi, Bad Romance, Telephone or Born This Way did because it was so here and gone.
No disrespect meant here, but I'll believe that when it happens. There's usually a sharp sales decrease after an album's opening week, and a third of her sales this week already came from an insane bargain on Amazon.
I also hope she doesn't do nine singles altogether, as that could overexpose her really fast and make people care less. I mean, just with Judas, it came out, hit #10 thanks to sales and then was dropped hard for Edge of Glory even though it could have gone higher. I felt like it barely even registered with me as a single in the same way that Paparazzi, Bad Romance, Telephone or Born This Way did because it was so here and gone.
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