Leaving religion

[Wajdan]

I have, finally. Coming from a mixed religious family of Jews, Christians and Muslims, I was expected to adopt any of these three Abrahamic faiths. I denied my BM much to the chagrin of my Jewish mom and did not adopt the faith of my mixed Christian and Muslim paternal family. Now in retrospect I think I made the right decision. I can never be Jewish because they have become the new Nazis while continuing with their crying foul strategy. I have also noticed that they are not faithful to the country they live in but just to Israel and it is a very open fact. I can't stand this unfaithfulness. I can't be Muslim because they do have some violent streaks but they are also the ones that are at the receiving end of Judeo-Christian hatred and wars; there is nothing short of genocide in Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan. And Christians are totally dumb fellows.

I tried Buddhism and Hinduism but its really boring. Hinduism is an even more discriminatory religion as they are divided into castes and only the Brahmins are considered as the 'real' human beings. Just visit India and observe the things with open eyes then you guys will realize the ugliness hidden behind the soft image projected on international media.

So finally I've become agnostic or humanist to be precise. Religions are just too divisive.

 

[Seasoned]

I believe that questioning religion is a sign of a healthy mind. If you think you need some religious structure in the future look to the sects of any of these groups which are spiritual rather than political and gay affirming, of course. I stay with my religion of origen at an arm's length for cultural reasons. I wouldn't tolerate any negativity towards any group while at church.

 

[braex27]

I have, finally. Coming from a mixed religious family of Jews, Christians and Muslims, I was expected to adopt any of these three Abrahamic faiths. I denied my BM much to the chagrin of my Jewish mom and did not adopt the faith of my mixed Christian and Muslim paternal family. Now in retrospect I think I made the right decision. I can never be Jewish because they have become the new Nazis while continuing with their crying foul strategy. I have also noticed that they are not faithful to the country they live in but just to Israel and it is a very open fact. I can't stand this unfaithfulness. I can't be Muslim because they do have some violent streaks but they are also the ones that are at the receiving end of Judeo-Christian hatred and wars; there is nothing short of genocide in Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan. And Christians are totally dumb fellows.

I tried Buddhism and Hinduism but its really boring. Hinduism is an even more discriminatory religion as they are divided into castes and only the Brahmins are considered as the 'real' human beings. Just visit India and observe the things with open eyes then you guys will realize the ugliness hidden behind the soft image projected on international media.

So finally I've become agnostic or humanist to be precise. Religions are just too divisive.

I see that you say you tried Buddism and Hinduism. Out of curiosity, how deeply did you immerse yourself in these religions? On the same point, how much of Judaism, Christianity and Islam did you explore?

 

[levenshulme31]

It looks like you have rejected these religions because of political concerns.

I rejected religion more for it being based on nonsense.

But, whatever works for you.

One more of us, one less of them.

 

[Nomenclature]

Wajdan,

Your view of Jews is hateful to say the least, and just plain wrong. You also speak as though there are none of us reading your post. Your subjective view can be based on nothing more than sheer ignorance.

So are you Conform, Conservative or Hasidic?

 

[rareboy]

Whatever....

 

[Wajdan]

Wajdan,

Your view of Jews is hateful to say the least, and just plain wrong. You also speak as though there are none of us reading your post. Your subjective view can be based on nothing more than sheer ignorance.

It is not hate dear and its not based on ignorance. My mom's family is very active in their Zionist agenda and I am now sick of their infatuation with Israel. I am not talking about an average Jew but the intelligentsia and journalists and especially the Jewish politicians in the US are so pro-Israel;you just need to read newspapers or online postings and you would see the lengths they go to justify Israel's actions. My question is simple. If they are so into Israel, why are they living in the US or Europe? I can't comprehend this love for Israel while they are living in the US; this is simple disloyalty.

 

[Wajdan]

I see that you say you tried Buddism and Hinduism. Out of curiosity, how deeply did you immerse yourself in these religions? On the same point, how much of Judaism, Christianity and Islam did you explore?

To significant extent. I have even lived in India for almost a year and have also visited Tibet. As for the Abrahamic religions, it was in my family upbringing.

 

[Under-taken]

J'Boy is right lol, you ooze cynnicism and blatant ignorance.

I can never be Jewish because they have become the new Nazis while continuing with their crying foul strategy

Made me die a little inside that someone who, as you said, has a family with mixed religious views, would be so naive in stating something like that.

Props on finding yourself an agnostic, just could state that without the bitterness!

 

[Wajdan]

Yup. I stand by what I said, but even more so now.

Thank you

 

[pauliesan89]

My initial thought was "leaving it where?"

 

[Wajdan]

J'Boy is right lol, you ooze cynnicism and blatant ignorance.


Made me die a little inside that someone who, as you said, has a family with mixed religious views, would be so naive in stating something like that.

Props on finding yourself an agnostic, just could state that without the bitterness!

It may sound ignorant but that is what I have experienced. You guys do not have that multi-religious upbringing and do not know the real facts. Ever visited Israel and yes, the 'occupied territories'? Or visited any meetings of Jewish think tanks? Or those stupid church meetings and mosque meets? I guess not.

 

[Under-taken]

It may sound ignorant but that is what I have experienced. You guys do not have that multi-religious upbringing and do not know the real facts. Ever visited Israel and yes, the 'occupied territories'? Or visited any meetings of Jewish think tanks? Or those stupid church meetings and mosque meets? I guess not.

Not debating what you know or have seen, but rather how you chose to go about expressing it.

 

[rareboy]

I'm just struggling with why your very personal decision on leaving religion somehow became a public diatribe about Zionism and Israel. And not in the no-flame religious zone.

Gotta say.

Sniffs like troll to me.

 

[Wajdan]

I lived in Israel for a few years and I speak fluent Hebrew.

אז אתה יהודי, נכון

 

[Wajdan]

I'm just struggling with why your very personal decision on leaving religion somehow became a public diatribe about Zionism and Israel. And not in the no-flame religious zone.

Gotta say.

Sniffs like troll to me.

Nope. I've just shared my opinion and others are just 'expressing' what they think about my OP

 

[Wajdan]

I am also of mixed religious heritage (Jewish, Christian) and yes to all your questions. I have not developed the same psyche-devouring bitterness, and certainly not the hatred, that you apparently have. I have also spent considerable time in China and India and have friendly, social relations and friendships with multiple members of the Buddhist and Hindu faiths, too. I view almost all of the adherents of the various religions you mentioned, as well as animist, Wiccan, and atheist adherents, and the agnostics that I know, as sincere, decent people who find meaning, security and relief in their lives from their faith (or even from their hesitancy, in the case of agnostics). These are almost all persons who love their own country and are loyal to it first but also feel loyalty, affection, and sometimes even devotion, to the seat or center or wellspring of their belief. So be it (which translates as amen).

And praise be to those of us who can love both one's ancestral origin and one's present country as one can love both one's spouse and children (genetic or adopted) and at the same time also love one's birth family and feel loyalty and duty to each.

I hope you find the desire, heart, will, and love to rid yourself of the rot inside you and regenerate with compassion.

Finally some sane counter argument. I respect your opinion.

 

[CumAlong]

Good for you. Organized religions can only lead to worse things in this world. However, that doesn't mean you can't believe in something if you so wish.

I think you will be much better off now.

 

[unloadonme]

I agree with levenshulme31's take on this. You appear to have arrived at the right answer, but by the wrong route.

You say you're rejecting Judaism because of the actions of the Israeli state, dismissing Islam for a "violent streak" and so on. This all seems to be rather superficial. I think Braex was gently hinting at this too. I think it's possible to accept the precepts of a particular faith without embracing the activities of some of those who claim to act in its name.

If, on the other hand, you'd said you were rejecting religion because, to be blunt, it's complete and utter nonsense, I'd agree with you entirely.

 

[bulge]

Religion doesn't leave you any other choice than to quit. They are so hatefull. It is flagerbastingly abashing. Never have I seen such hatred as in religion.