Lets just say it: The 1% took all our fucking money! Deflation looms.

[peeonme]

That's why you don't get it: you can't cut off the rest of the world.

"With all respect, I don't care about the rest of the world, at least to the extent that I feel that US workers should give up any thing for them."

How about an entire sentence? I care about disease, hunger and more than anything human rights. That's why I am so pissed off about China, the government is well known for human rights violations. Do they have freedom of speech? Freedom to peacefully assemble? Freedom to worship? How are they with gay rights? How many children are they allowed to have?

Have the Chinese really built a middle class of consumers? Compare their supposed middle class to the number of workers. China has built empty cities http://realestate.aol.com/blog/2013/03/05/china-empty-cities-photos/
The military budget has exploded http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...diaviewer/File:China_Military_Budget_2012.png

Yes I know that the US military budget is much larger, we are in mutual defense treaties with other nations and will have to protect them should China become expansive.

So what the hell, let's create our very own Frankenstein's Monster, on the back of the American worker, then tell him that he doesn't get it.

 

[Kulindahr]

"With all respect, I don't care about the rest of the world, at least to the extent that I feel that US workers should give up any thing for them."

How about an entire sentence? I care about disease, hunger and more than anything human rights. That's why I am so pissed off about China, the government is well known for human rights violations. Do they have freedom of speech? Freedom to peacefully assemble? Freedom to worship? How are they with gay rights? How many children are they allowed to have?

Have the Chinese really built a middle class of consumers? Compare their supposed middle class to the number of workers. China has built empty cities http://realestate.aol.com/blog/2013/03/05/china-empty-cities-photos/
The military budget has exploded http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...diaviewer/File:China_Military_Budget_2012.png

Yes I know that the US military budget is much larger, we are in mutual defense treaties with other nations and will have to protect them should China become expansive.

So what the hell, let's create our very own Frankenstein's Monster, on the back of the American worker, then tell him that he doesn't get it.

Once again, you don't get it: you can't cut off the rest of the world. The American worker can't magically somehow be free of the laws of economics.

 

[peeonme]

Once again, you don't get it: you can't cut off the rest of the world. The American worker can't magically somehow be free of the laws of economics.

So, how far does it go? Those who despise the blue collar worker in America and seem to imply that he should live no better than the
worker in China... should we lives in shacks? Maybe mud huts? Do we get more than one bowl of rice per day?

You believe that the American worker (you mean the blue collar guy) has to sacrifice, be brought down to lift up the poor in other countries, how has that worked?

The middle class has all but been destroyed, does that make others better off? Hell no! Unless you are referring to the billionaires that have brain washed you.

BTW: America did fine for a few hundred years before you one world wonders made the scene.
You amaze me, you play the same song, beat the same drum. All I hear is "the rest of the world"
I am a citizen of the USA, not the world.

 

[EastMed]

Once again, you don't get it: you can't cut off the rest of the world. The American worker can't magically somehow be free of the laws of economics.

Such 'laws' have been subject to a hermeneutic turn.

They are now COMMANDMENTS.


http://www.the-utopian.org/post/53360513384/the-thirteen-commandments-of-neoliberalism

 

[Kulindahr]

So, how far does it go? Those who despise the blue collar worker in America and seem to imply that he should live no better than the
worker in China... should we lives in shacks? Maybe mud huts? Do we get more than one bowl of rice per day?

You believe that the American worker (you mean the blue collar guy) has to sacrifice, be brought down to lift up the poor in other countries, how has that worked?

The middle class has all but been destroyed, does that make others better off? Hell no! Unless you are referring to the billionaires that have brain washed you.

BTW: America did fine for a few hundred years before you one world wonders made the scene.
You amaze me, you play the same song, beat the same drum. All I hear is "the rest of the world"
I am a citizen of the USA, not the world.

You really don't get it at all. It isn't possible to disconnect the US from the rest of the world, unless you want to stop all imports and exports. The interconnectedness of the world economy is just a fact.

I haven't said anything about, and have no interest in, such things as "sacrifice". All your emotional and ideological blather is utterly irrelevant here, as is "citizenship" of anything.

BTW, "America did fine for a few hundred years" because no one else had an economy yet that could use all the resources we roamed the world taking for ourselves.

Just a note on economic reality: the most prosperous time in American history came after we deliberately spent huge amounts of wealth not on ourselves, but on rebuilding the economies of others.

 

[Kulindahr]

Such 'laws' have been subject to a hermeneutic turn.

They are now COMMANDMENTS.


http://www.the-utopian.org/post/53360513384/the-thirteen-commandments-of-neoliberalism

Ack.

Neoliberalism as defined there doesn't think of humans as individuals, it treats us all as molecules in thermodynamic equations, none of us of any real worth except as we flow along with the currents.
In fact, that's why neoliberals love "gun control": it "protects" people as statistics, while denying them any dignity at all as individuals. And it's the same reason they sell out (as Obama has done) to corporations: statistically, healthy corporations mean a healthy economy, but to maintain that you have to regard the individual as of no worth, only the aggregate.

 

[bankside]

So, how far does it go? Those who despise the blue collar worker in America and seem to imply that he should live no better than the
worker in China... should we lives in shacks? Maybe mud huts? Do we get more than one bowl of rice per day?

You believe that the American worker (you mean the blue collar guy) has to sacrifice, be brought down to lift up the poor in other countries, how has that worked?

The middle class has all but been destroyed, does that make others better off? Hell no! Unless you are referring to the billionaires that have brain washed you.

BTW: America did fine for a few hundred years before you one world wonders made the scene.
You amaze me, you play the same song, beat the same drum. All I hear is "the rest of the world"
I am a citizen of the USA, not the world.

Let me not imply it, let me state it clearly: The American worker should live no better than the worker in China. Why the fuck should a worker from the US do better than a worker from any other country who is just as good? Except I don't despise the American worker any more than the Chinese worker, which is to say, not at all.

The only way for both of those workers to have a decent standard of living is for the economy to function in high gear, which is what I want. We will never get there unless countries trade openly and without favouring their own. I want all of us to do well. But if you want me to put American workers on a pedestal, fuck it. The rest of us will all trade together and the US can watch it's pedestal crumble.

 

[evanrick]

Let me not imply it, let me state it clearly: The American worker should live no better than the worker in China. Why the fuck should a worker from the US do better than a worker from any other country who is just as good? Except I don't despise the American worker any more than the Chinese worker, which is to say, not at all.

The only way for both of those workers to have a decent standard of living is for the economy to function in high gear, which is what I want. We will never get there unless countries trade openly and without favouring their own. I want all of us to do well. But if you want me to put American workers on a pedestal, fuck it. The rest of us will all trade together and the US can watch it's pedestal crumble.

out of touch much?

 

[peeonme]

out of touch much?

I love it when a plan comes together, I wanted the one worlders to show their hand, to admit that their goal is for a one world class of workers.
Wow, no better than China, if I responded to that I would be banned.

 

[bankside]

out of touch much?

I love it when a plan comes together, I wanted the one worlders to show their hand, to admit that their goal is for a one world class of workers.
Wow, no better than China, if I responded to that I would be banned.

Care to answer the question, gents?

Why the fuck should a worker from the US do better than a worker from any other country who is just as good?

 

[peeonme]

Care to answer the question, gents?

Why the fuck should a US worker answer to you? Do you live in the US?
However, I say that the standard of living of a worker in a country should reflect the economy of that country, not the economy they was handed to their country as in the case of China.
China did not grow an economy, they pimped out their cheap labor to the "Johns" the corporate world crowd, they hi jacked the US economy.
I hope that when the day comes that the communist Chinese government becomes aggressive and expansive (and it will, they are still communists) that the American working class when called upon to stand up to them and defend freedom will tell the world to get fucked.

 

[kallipolis]

Let me not imply it, let me state it clearly: The American worker should live no better than the worker in China. Why the fuck should a worker from the US do better than a worker from any other country who is just as good? Except I don't despise the American worker any more than the Chinese worker, which is to say, not at all.

The only way for both of those workers to have a decent standard of living is for the economy to function in high gear, which is what I want. We will never get there unless countries trade openly and without favouring their own. I want all of us to do well. But if you want me to put American workers on a pedestal, fuck it. The rest of us will all trade together and the US can watch it's pedestal crumble.

We should not use China's human rights record, and working conditions in Chinese factories as a bench mark for labour rights in our own country.

China does not have an independent judicial system whereas, the United States does...

The Chinese Government does not stomach dissent from its dictates....dissenters are imprisoned for daring to voice opinions in public that question government policies...

I'm certain that Chinese workers would be much happier were they to enjoy labour rights granted to American workers in the United States.

 

[mightbe]

Peeonme: You can't see the forest for the trees.

Bankside is asking why an American deserves better compensation than his or her Chinese counterpart. Not why they won't be compensated the same. Why should, in a perfect world, the Chinese make less than the American if they have the same skill?

You're arguing that the American deserves more because of an accident of birth. Without earning it. Just because.

Kallipolis: you completely missed the point. Bankside is calling out peeonme's exceptionalism, one of the vilest American tendencies.

Bankside isn't talking about China. He's talking about the Chinese. And not America, but Americans. He's saying their is no reason why one should not be paid more than the other, or live at a different standard. It's not the Chinese's fault that they have an awful government.

 

[kallipolis]

You can't see the forest for the trees.

Backside is asking why an American deserves better compensation than his or her Chinese counterpart. Not why they won't be compensated the same. Why should, in a perfect world, the Chinese make less than the American if they have the same skill?

You're arguing that the American deserves more because of an accident of birth. Without earning it. Just because.

Try using spectacles...no where have I referenced financial compensation in my post....

try again....

 

[peeonme]

We should not use China's human rights record, and working conditions in Chinese factories as a bench mark for labour rights in our own country.

China does not have an independent judicial system whereas, the United States does...

The Chinese Government does not stomach dissent from its dictates....dissenters are imprisoned for daring to voice opinions in public that question government policies...

I'm certain that Chinese workers would be much happier were they to enjoy labour rights granted to American workers in the United States.

The very condition in China that you have noted are the reason that I find it repulsive that Red China is allowed to suck the life from another country.
We point at human rights violations around the world and use them as an excuse to go to war against small non nuclear nations, then we patronize Red China.

 

[mightbe]

Kalli: When I started writing, your post wasn't there. I was addressing peeonme. You've since been addressed in an edit.

Try again.

 

[peeonme]

You can't see the forest for the trees.

Backside is asking why an American deserves better compensation than his or her Chinese counterpart. Not why they won't be compensated the same. Why should, in a perfect world, the Chinese make less than the American if they have the same skill?

You're arguing that the American deserves more because of an accident of birth. Without earning it. Just because.

So, then does a person by "accident of birth" deserve to inherit millions of dollars? The economy in America that was hi jacked by China was built upon the backs of American workers, defended by American soldiers, and given to the Chinese.

 

[kallipolis]

The very condition in China that you have noted are the reason that I find it repulsive that Red China is allowed to suck the life from another country.
We point at human rights violations around the world and use them as an excuse to go to war against small non nuclear nations, then we patronize Red China.

Correctly you also emphasise the working conditions in Chinese factories which are often reported in the media as appallingly bad.....

 

[kallipolis]

Kalli: When I started writing, your post wasn't there. I was addressing peeonme. You've since been addressed in an edit.

Try again.

No, you try again.....

 

[peeonme]

Correctly you also emphasise the working conditions in Chinese factories which are often reported in the media as appallingly bad.....

It is these very working conditions that lure corporations to China, they know that they will have a voiceless, fearful, intimidated mass of workers to exploit.