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[kneelin]

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If you can fix your quotes, that would be great. Easier to read.

Secondly, you misconstrued what I wrote. When Hillary was in the race, she was electable and I never denied that. However, now that she has suspended her campaign, the only 2 electable choices are McCain and Obama. How do you expect Hillary to be elected if she herself suspended her campaign at this point?

okay . . . can you see why you were mis-read?
Don't know why the quotes are messed up. Sorry

 

[MystikWizard]

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Can we stop debating Hillary? Can we stop mentioning Hillary? Hillary lost. I wanted her to win. She didn't. Can everyone just go on? Why has a thread asking people to discuss Obama's accopmlishments feautred ONE post in which someone actually did that and then just a shit load of Hillary talk. I mean really. Hillary has no place in this thread. I can make a list of people I'm MORE qualified than but that will never make me qualified.

With that being said, I echo these statements.

It's time to get this thread back on track.

 

[EvilForce]

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You didn't answer my question. I said that you are obviously unhappy with Bush's Presidency and his Foreign policy. Therefore, I would like to hear you justify voting for McCain, who has made very clear he has no intentions of getting us of course in Iraq, and will likely escalate tensions with Iran. Furthermore, McCain admits he is not well-schooled on the Economy. If you are unhappy with Bush, I would like to hear your justification for voting for McCain.

I am not voting for McCain. I'm looking for a reason to support Obama. As it sits right now Obama has my tentative vote, but nothing else. This campaign cycle I've been donating a significant amount of money to the DSCC (Democratic Senatorial Campaign Comm.) that Sen. Amy Klobuchar (whom I both supported financially and volunteered 2 years ago) is chairing with a few other Senators. I am also financially supporting and volunteering for the Al Franken campaign. I donated to Hillary's campaign but was too busy to volunteer at the time of the year here in MN when they needed people.

So maybe that's why my position seems nuanced to some. I have different levels of support beyond my vote. Is the candidate worth my time volunteering for? Are they worth donating my hard earned money towards?

I've been hoping to see some well reasoned positions of what led people to supporting Sen. Obama in the first place. There seems to be much enthusiasm for him. I was wanting to see the substance behind the veneer all politicians have regardless of party affiliation.

 

[CO Bob]

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He has accomplished the pulling of wool over a great many pairs of eyes.

He is a big government, tax & spend liberal who will raise taxes on everyone in the country, and will expand government beyond it's already ridiculous level.

He is weak on the military, and plans to meet with our sworn enemies without conditions, including Hammas, which is not a government at all, but a terrorist organization (though he has backed off of his original comments about Iran).

As Mae West once said, "hold on, it's going to be a bumpy ride".

 

[EvilForce]

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He has accomplished the pulling of wool over a great many pairs of eyes.

He is a big government, tax & spend liberal who will raise taxes on everyone in the country, and will expand government beyond it's already ridiculous level.

He is weak on the military, and plans to meet with our sworn enemies without conditions, including Hammas, which is not a government at all, but a terrorist organization (though he has backed off of his original comments about Iran).

As Mae West once said, "hold on, it's going to be a bumpy ride".

May I ask which votes or bills that Sen. Obama has supported or voted for that you find objectionable with regards to the tax & spend, and military issues?

As far as his Hamas comment I dismiss as plain "gotcha journalism" and misquoting. I give it no weight. Much as I don't give any weight to the "bomb bomb bomb Iran" garbage people try to plain on McCain. It's noise, nothing else.

But, I am interested in the particular votes of candidates. I then go to the Library Of Congress at http://thomas.loc.gov/ and research those bills and votes so I can see for myself what the vote was actually for, and if I agree or disagree with it.

Thank you in advance for pointing towards the bills / laws you are concerned with.

 

[jockboy01]

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He is a big government, tax & spend liberal who will raise taxes on everyone in the country, and will expand government beyond it's already ridiculous level.

And this statement is based on?

plans to meet with our sworn enemies without conditions, including Hammas, which is not a government at all, but a terrorist organization

Good for him. I'm all about meeting with the enemy as you put it. And clearly, you need to read up a bit on Hammas if you think it is nothing more than a terrorist organization. Americans in general just believe what what they hear without looking into the truth of a situation. Hammas is much more than a terrorist organization and there are good reasons that they win seats in the government. I watched a few great documentaries on them. And this is the reason we should meet with our "enemy". I think we all too often don't understand our "enemy" and we label them without knowing them. I'm not saying all of the world is good. But if you've ever lived in areas that were "terrorists" you would see that's a term applied to groups we don't like... not b/c they are bad people necessarily.

 

[EvilForce]

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But if you've ever lived in areas that were "terrorists" you would see that's a term applied to groups we don't like... not b/c they are bad people necessarily.

Spend any time in Central America or South America, and you realize how true this is. The difference between "terrorists" and "freedom fighters or rebels", lies solely in which country's newspaper is printing the news.

 

[CO Bob]

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May I ask which votes or bills that Sen. Obama has supported or voted for that you find objectionable with regards to the tax & spend, and military issues?

But, your thread asked to just put it in our own words. You did not want pastes, etc. Now you do?

You got what you wanted.....my own words.

Zebra's don't change their colors, Obama is a liberal. I never said it was a bad word. But he will raise taxes. He will grow government, and he will enable more people to think that government will take care of them instead of teaching them to take care of themselves.

I lack the time, or desire to stroke your ego, to go into congressional records. I know that he is fairly unaccomplished in the Senate. I know his Illinois voting record reflects his big-government, entitlement liberal ideaology.

I think we need a leader with more experience and less naivete.

You asked for "in your own words" opinion. You got it.

 

[falconfan]

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But, your thread asked to just put it in our own words. You did not want pastes, etc. Now you do?

You got what you wanted.....my own words.

Zebra's don't change their colors, Obama is a liberal. I never said it was a bad word. But he will raise taxes. He will grow government, and he will enable more people to think that government will take care of them instead of teaching them to take care of themselves.

I lack the time, or desire to stroke your ego, to go into congressional records. I know that he is fairly unaccomplished in the Senate. I know his Illinois voting record reflects his big-government, entitlement liberal ideaology.

I think we need a leader with more experience and less naivete.

You asked for "in your own words" opinion. You got it.

He's simply asking for some sort or evidence to corroborate what you're putting into your own words. If you don't have the time to do that then just don't reply to his reply.

 

[MystikWizard]

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But he will raise taxes.

For the rich and those making over $200,000, I believe he said. I think they can afford to have their taxes raised.

He will grow government.

As have the Republicans, which now apparently are for big government, as well. The difference is that the Dems admit it, but the Republicans say they are against it, while they continue to grow it.

 

[CO Bob]

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As far as his Hamas comment I dismiss as plain "gotcha journalism" and misquoting. I give it no weight. It's noise, nothing else.

You should give it weight. He said it.

In a June, 07 speech, he told the crowd that he would sit down with enemy states, unconditionally. He specifically mentioned Iran, Hamas, and Korea. He said he could "look into their eyes" and assess their character.

And would you please tell me which country Hamas represents? They are a non-nation terrorist organization sworn to the destruction of Israel (and America). While Hamas representatives may exist in other governments, Hamas is not a government. And it has never been a position of this (or any modern-enlightened government) to negotiate with terrorists.

But look out, Barry Obama will give credence to any third-world thug and terrorist on the world stage by sitting with them. He will grant instant credibility to these people by asking no conditions from them to meet with the most powerful man on the planet.

Yep, that's change you can count on folks!

 

[Sammie13]

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As have the Republicans, which now apparently are for big government, as well. The difference is that the Dems admit it, but the Republicans say they are against it, while they continue to grow it.

I, too, am for a smaller government, and Midnight, you are sadly dead-on with that statement. The GOP lost their ways on spending; they've lost their way on security and foreign affairs; but, they still have kept to their core conservative social values...that's all they can run on, and for voters like me, that's the most dis-tasteful section of their party platform. If I don't vote Obama, guess I'll go Libertarian, but the Repubs have nothing to hang their hat on.

 

[EvilForce]

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But, your thread asked to just put it in our own words. You did not want pastes, etc. Now you do?

You got what you wanted.....my own words.

That's true, and for what you gave me I appreciate it. I was just asking for more information. I wasn't saying you were wrong. I was just curious.

I don't know if your from Illinois or formerly from Illinois and know him from there. Or if there was some Senate bill recently that's came up that you've objected to. Hence, why I asked for more info.

If that's your "gut feel", that's one thing. If there was something specific, well that's something different. Something I could take a look at.

 

[CO Bob]

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For the rich and those making over $200,000, I believe he said. I think they can afford to have their taxes raised.

As have the Republicans, which now apparently are for big government, as well. The difference is that the Dems admit it, but the Republicans say they are against it, while they continue to grow it.

Please, don't kid yourself. When a liberal says he will raise taxes, he will raise it on the segment that will generate the most revenue, the middle class. And $200K? There is a lot of middle class ground right there. Think about the professional couple with a large mortgage and four children. They fall into this bracket, and there are alot of them.

Well, no doubt the Republicans have lost their way, probably why you left them. Too bad the majority of voters, who rely on the major media to help them with their decision, will not give Bob Barr any attention. A true conservative is needed to right what is wrong in Washington. Barry Obama is just another part of the sick system we currently have.

 

[CO Bob]

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If that's your "gut feel", that's one thing. If there was something specific, well that's something different. Something I could take a look at.

Never took any inference from your request.

A "gut feel". Yeah, you could say that. I don' trust liberals. Especially this one. But, since you asked.....Check out the "Global Poverty Act", a bill he has recently sponsored. It's bad legislation, and due for a vote. It will require our government to fork over untold billions of dollars to the U.N., to forward to corrupt governments around the world, to combat world poverty. (Don't get me started about the United Nations!)

Hey, how about we end poverty in our own nation before we send out more of our tax dollars to foreign countries that have no appreciation at all for the generosity America has extended thus far?

 

[falconfan]

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And would you please tell me which country Hamas represents?

There are a number of members in the elected Palestine council that are members of Hamas.

 

[EvilForce]

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Never took any inference from your request.

A "gut feel". Yeah, you could say that. I don' trust liberals. Especially this one. But, since you asked.....Check out the "Global Poverty Act", a bill he has recently sponsored. It's bad legislation, and due for a vote. It will require our government to fork over untold billions of dollars to the U.N., to forward to corrupt governments around the world, to combat world poverty. (Don't get me started about the United Nations!)

Hey, how about we end poverty in our own nation before we send out more of our tax dollars to foreign countries that have no appreciation at all for the generosity America has extended thus far?

The official bill #'s of the Global Poverty Act of 2007 are Senate bill 2433 / House bill 1302 and a copy can be found here:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:h1302rfs.txt.pdf

It passed the House committee unanimously and then again passed the entire House unanimously. In the House the bill had 84 co-sponsors. 80 Dems / 4 Reps.

Currently the bill is in the Foreign Relations committee of the Senate. It has 21 co-sponsors in the Senate, 5 of whom are Republicans. (Co-sponsers listed here: http://www.congress.org/churchworld...1233681&cs_party=all&cs_status=C&cs_state=ALL )It is scheduled for upcoming discussion / debate.

Summary:

AN ACT
To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive
strategy to further the United States foreign
policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty,
the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the
achievement of the United Nations Millennium Development
Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of
people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on
less than $1 per day.

I've listed two main sites that offer a pro and a con view of the pending Senate Bill.

Pro / Progressive / vote in favor of bill:
http://obama.senate.gov/press/071211-obama_hagel_can/


Con / Conservative / anti-bill point of view:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/ForeignAid/wm1878.cfm

I have a little more reading to do on it, and will share my thoughts when I finish the reading.

 

[jockboy01]

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There are a number of members in the elected Palestine council that are members of Hamas.

That's what I was referring to.

They are a non-nation terrorist organization sworn to the destruction of Israel (and America). While Hamas representatives may exist in other governments, Hamas is not a government.

I think you need to learn a bit more about Hamas. They have a very sophisticated education and health care system that they have set up for the people of Palestine and the west bank. If you can't understand that they are more than a terrorist organization, you'll never be able to understand why they have the support of the people in the area. They did it by providing social services.

 

[EvilForce]

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I've finished reading the pros / cons, recaps, reviews, and the bill itself.

The Republican's problem with this is the "slippery slope" argument. If this bill passes, then that means ______________, which will lead to ___________, and probably tax increases. This bill doesn't have a spending component attached to it at all. The rapid right fringe has grabbed onto it, and screamed because of their irrational hate of anything UN.

Now, because the legislation has no real funding, taxing, or spending laws, it's mainly a puff piece. Feel good legislation that states we want to end poverty. Well, duh. It's a political show piece, not much else. Congress vets sports stars these days for steroid abuse, and lectures them, why care about some grand, meaningless "act" to end poverty?

Had there really been any tax implications or spending implications there wouldn't have been two unanimous votes in the House by both Rep and Dems, nor 5 Republican Senators signed onto the bill in the Senate. Much ado about nothing IMHO.

 

[syntax]

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In a June, 07 speech, he told the crowd that he would sit down with enemy states, unconditionally. He specifically mentioned Iran, Hamas, and Korea. He said he could "look into their eyes" and assess their character.

CO Bob, it's a common practice at CE&P to provide sources for assertions. Could you please provide a source for this speech in June 2007 where Sen. Obama made these comments?