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Peter Sallis, who portrayed Norman 'Cleggy' Clegg in 'Last of the Summer Wine', was the only cast member to appear in every episode (295) of the long-running series from 1973 to 2010.
 
Harke the Boeotarch said:
The Malay theory is the best one. We have a dark Indonesian condiment called ketjap in The Netherlands, made out of -among other things- soy meal.

Joy of Cooking speaks of ´catsup´ which derives from ketjap... could catsup be an earlier version of ketchup?
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Both spellings have gone in and out of favor over the years. The video podcast I posted touches on both the Malay origin and the spelling. The current ketchup was brought back by Heinz, I think that it said only one brand in the US still uses the catsup spelling.
 
^ I've priced the complete series. X-Pen-Siff!!!

Way beyond my budget.

When I started watching it, Seymour was the third wheel to Cleggy and Compo. Then he left and Foggy came back. The station is running with Truly and Billy now, then Alvin comes in and Entwhistle soon follows. I'm not too keen on Hobbo, though.
 
Ice cream, or something similar, is thought to have originated in the second century BCE. Alexander the Great is said to have liked snow and ice flavored with nectar and honey. Hey, Alex, come over to my tent--I've got something for you.

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Kulindahr said:
Historians still don't know who the "Peoples of the Sea" were who devastated Mediterranean civilization in about 1200 B.C.
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Weren't they Myceneans? Or were the Philistines another group?

Alistair said:
Both spellings have gone in and out of favor over the years. The video podcast I posted touches on both the Malay origin and the spelling. The current ketchup was brought back by Heinz, I think that it said only one brand in the US still uses the catsup spelling.
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Where?
 
At 9 a.m. on August 27, 1896, Britain declared war on the Zanzibar Sultanate, which had displeased the Empire. The Royal Navy sent three cruisers, two gunboats, 150 marines and sailors, and 900 Zanzibaris into the harbor at Zanzibar Town and began to wreak havoc. By 9:38 a.m., Sultan Khalif's palace had been set on fire, his royal yacht had been sunk, his harem had been destroyed, 500 of his men had been killed or wounded, one British sailor had been injured, and the war ended. Khalid got the hell out of town and found refuge in neighboring German East Africa, but no one knows what happened to the harem ladies.

At 38 minutes (or 40 or 43, depending on the source), it was the shortest war in history.

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The Sultan's harem after the war. Photo from Wikipedia
 
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gsdx said:
^ I've priced the complete series. X-Pen-Siff!!!

Way beyond my budget.

When I started watching it, Seymour was the third wheel to Cleggy and Compo. Then he left and Foggy came back. The station is running with Truly and Billy now, then Alvin comes in and Entwhistle soon follows. I'm not too keen on Hobbo, though.
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It was costly enough just for my mom to buy tapes to record all those episodes on.
 
Harke the Boeotarch said:
Weren't they Myceneans? Or were the Philistines another group?
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The Myceneans were victims, but when displaced probably "became" "sea people" themselves. The Philistines were definielty one group, but may also have been displaced from west of Italy somewhere.

That's what's fun about figuring out the whole "sea people" thing: it's hard to tell who was victimizing, who was victims, and who were both....
 
^ It might be like calling Sea Peoples all the migrants sailing to Europe the past couple of decades: it may have been more a general displacement of population all over the Mediterranean basin, following more the dynamics that Kul has described there.

It may therefore not NECESSARILY have been the sort of "sea peoples" that the Vikings/Normans/Varangians were.
 
Kulindahr said:
The Myceneans were victims, but when displaced probably "became" "sea people" themselves. The Philistines were definielty one group, but may also have been displaced from west of Italy somewhere.

That's what's fun about figuring out the whole "sea people" thing: it's hard to tell who was victimizing, who was victims, and who were both....
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Were the Japanese victims in WW2?
 
Harke the Boeotarch said:
Were the Japanese victims in WW2?
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Kul was not talking about being victims of their own national idiocy in the 1930s, only about being pushed to become invaders themselves around 1200 BC: I don't think that necessarily implied moral judgement, let alone justification, maybe just not the most accurate choice of terms.
 
belamo said:
^ It might be like calling Sea Peoples all the migrants sailing to Europe the past couple of decades: it may have been more a general displacement of population all over the Mediterranean basin, following more the dynamics that Kul has described there.

It may therefore not NECESSARILY have been the sort of "sea peoples" that the Vikings/Normans/Varangians were.
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"Varangians"? Sounds like a croissant-faced race from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
 
belamo said:
That's about how deeply imaginative and creative Anglos can get to be successful :mrgreen:
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After the dark-skinned blue-eyed Ice age Britains, I'm beginning to think Star Trek might actually be closer to the truth than contemporary paleontology...
 
"West Side Story," the Broadway musical, began in its earliest planning stages as "East Side Story" with a book concerning a romance between a Catholic boy and a Jewish girl on Manhattan's Lower East Side. After putting the idea aside for a few years, the creative team got back together and decided to give the project a Latin element and set the story in Los Angeles. That idea was also dropped, and the team eventually decided they would do better using a locale they were all familiar with--Manhattan's Upper West Side. The rest, needless to say, is history.
 
belamo said:
^ It might be like calling Sea Peoples all the migrants sailing to Europe the past couple of decades: it may have been more a general displacement of population all over the Mediterranean basin, following more the dynamics that Kul has described there.

It may therefore not NECESSARILY have been the sort of "sea peoples" that the Vikings/Normans/Varangians were.
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There were some similarities, insofar as some Vikings didn't do raiding but took land to settle on, subjecting the locals. The dissimilarity is that with the "sea peoples" at least some populations fled and in turn did the same to others. One lecturer used toppling dominoes as a comparison, pointing out that we don't yet know why any given domino fell: was it hit by another, or did it topple itself?


It's perfect material for "Little Known Facts" because for those studying the matter, there are little (few) known facts.
 
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^ You mean "little publicized mysteries": you are admitting yourself that we do not even know what original "fact" we should be discussing.
 
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