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Lockdown at the US Capitol

That he manages to slide over all of this tells you a lot about the power of people to keep him activated in the takedown of democracy in America.

Even within the DOJ he must have some people will real pull.
 
jaysizzles said:
I wonder how many of these "domestic terrorists" have been arrested? With all the pics online and in the media, facial recognition technology should help catch some of those that haven't been caught.

Sad to say though, Trump will likely pardon them.
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There's a bunch. Not a few of them are still in prison, and it's the vids, social media, and their own mouths that usually catch them.

Toad does nothing without a price, last time it was two million for a pardon, I doubt any of these guys can afford Toad's love and devotion.
 
rareboy said:
That he manages to slide over all of this tells you a lot about the power of people to keep him activated in the takedown of democracy in America.

Even within the DOJ he must have some people will real pull.
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I don't think there is any deep conspiracy to keep these guys free. For the most part, their own side doesn't much like them either; they routinely stab each other in the back, commit new offenses, and are just not all that competent. They vie for attention in the echo chamber, which is where the money is, but I seriously doubt that shadowy figures have organized them all into some grand plan.

What I think is happening is two things, there are no rules for a lot of this, like social media. Hate speech on social media should be just as illegal as print, but it's not, and that's the fault of Congress, which didn't fail to regulate over policy but for money. Second, the system was deliberately designed to move at a glacial place because the people who set it up were tired of summary judgment, arrest without charge, no habeas corpus, trial in absentia, and invisible accusation.

I think we've got a combination of things working against each other and that the system itself has to navigate new territory while each of these assholes attempts to manipulate it and the horde at the same time.

That's not to say that there aren't rich assholes out there contributing, but I really don't see an organized whole.
 
TX-Beau said:
There's a bunch. Not a few of them are still in prison, and it's the vids, social media, and their own mouths that usually catch them.

Toad does nothing without a price, last time it was two million for a pardon, I doubt any of these guys can afford Toad's love and devotion.
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Pardons are likely but most of the insurrectionists will have completed their sentences and paid their restitution. There's a few who got longer sentences for assaulting police officers or for seditious planning of the coup attempt. Those few like Tarrio (22 years) or Rhodes (18 years) would likely get commuted sentences and pardons.

I don't see where guys like Bannon have any chance in prevailing at appeal, so it's not clear why he's podcasting while lesser deplorables like Navarro are serving their time.

More reasons for the Orange Abomination to never inhabit the Oval Office, ever again.
 
Oh noes. He's going to lose his California law license.

Thoughts and prayers!

An attorney discipline judge in California has recommended that ex-Trump election lawyer John Eastman be disbarred, according to an opinion released on Wednesday.

Eastman will lose his ability to practice law within days, because the court’s decision involuntarily revokes his license, according to the opinion.

Judge Yvette Roland’s opinion comes after a lengthy trial about Eastman’s actions as he led some of the efforts for Donald Trump to challenge his 2020 election loss. The opinion serves as a recommendation to the California Supreme Court, which will ultimately decide whether to endorse or reject the punishment. Eastman will have the opportunity to appeal Roland’s ruling.
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Next up.... Arizona!

An Arizona grand jury on Wednesday indicted seven attorneys and aides affiliated with Donald Trump’s 2020 presidential campaign as well as 11 Arizona Republicans on felony charges related to their alleged efforts to subvert Joe Biden’s 2020 victory in the state, according to an announcement by the state attorney general.

Those indicted include former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, attorneys Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, John Eastman and Christina Bobb, top campaign adviser Boris Epshteyn and former campaign aide Mike Roman. They are accused of allegedly aiding an unsuccessful strategy to award the state’s electoral votes to Trump instead of Biden after the 2020 election. Also charged are the Republicans who signed paperwork on Dec. 14, 2020, that falsely purported Trump was the rightful winner, including former state party chair Kelli Ward, state Sens. Jake Hoffman and Anthony Kern, and Tyler Bowyer, a GOP national committeeman and chief operating officer of Turning Point Action, the campaign arm of the pro-Trump conservative group Turning Point USA.

Trump was not charged, but he is described in the indictment as an unindicted co-conspirator.
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But will they?

Or will justice have moved at such a glacial pace that the trials will never be held.

Certainly if the Trumpists regain control in Arizona, the prosecutions will die.
 
rareboy said:
But will they?

Or will justice have moved at such a glacial pace that the trials will never be held.

Certainly if the Trumpists regain control in Arizona, the prosecutions will die.
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One of the defendants (Jenna Ellis) is having to raise money via GoFundMe for her legal fees. She was one of the first to plead in Georgia in order to salvage her law license in Colorado.

Other defendants also have law licenses they want to try to save.

I expect the line for plea deals is growing by the day. They'll throw the big fish under the bus which will speed up the process considerably.
 
I suspect if they all thought he was going to lose the election, they would have thrown him under the bus already.

For a number of them, they are likely hoping that if he wins, or that if the right MAGA thugs are elected in the states bringing charges against them, there will be sufficient to vacate any charges against them.

Even though it is already nakedly clear that he has thrown them under the wheels of the bus.
 
rareboy said:
I suspect if they all thought he was going to lose the election, they would have thrown him under the bus already.

For a number of them, they are likely hoping that if he wins, or that if the right MAGA thugs are elected in the states bringing charges against them, there will be sufficient to vacate any charges against them.

Even though it is already nakedly clear that he has thrown them under the wheels of the bus.
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I suspect the "big fish" is going to be the campaign operatives and Trump bag men who concocted the scheme and convinced the cult followers to sign their names on the certificates.

The individual States are apparently sharing discovery documents because emails to the Arizona Republican officials showed up in other States' discovery. It's pointing the attorneys- Kenneth Chesebro and John Eastman, some of whom are listed as "unindicted co-conspirators". That's why I suspect that they're going to try to flip and do plea deals with the small fish in order to bring stronger indictments against the unindicted participants.

Whether they can directly tie this to Trump (also listed as one of the "unindicted co-conspirators) is a bigger question.

This really is mafia stuff.
 
Nabbing Toad would require Chesbro or Eastman to flip, which I don't see happening until after he loses in November. So long as there is a chance he'll win, they will wait it out.
 
Because irony has died.

www.motherjones.com

The GOP's "election integrity" lawyer was just indicted for election subversion

Christina Bobb tried to overturn the 2020 election, and Arizona just charged her for it.
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The attorney running the Republican National Committee’s “election integrity” effort has been criminally charged by the state of Arizona for her efforts to help Donald Trump steal the 2020 election. This turn of events highlights the Orwellian meaning of the phrase “election integrity,” as used by Trump and the Republican Party: An effort to win at all costs.

Bobb endeared herself to the former president as a fervent supporter who worked as both a Trump associate and a journalist as part of various efforts to help Trump overturn the 2020 results. As Mother Jones reported when the RNC hired her last month:

As a correspondent for OAN, Bobb promoted the Big Lie—enough that she was a named a defendant in Dominion Voting Systems’ defamation suit against the network. But Bobb was not just a purveyor of the Big Lie—she was also part of the operation. Weeks after the 2020 election, Trump brought in a new team of lawyers, including Rudy Giuliani, to help him subvert the results and remain in office. Though Bobb has not been charged with any crimes, she worked with that team to help coordinate the scheme to certify fake slates of electors in states Biden won, a plot that is part of both the criminal indictment against Trump in Georgia and the federal charges brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith.
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It is why she was hired again.

The first time was just a practice run.
 
But of course...there will be no consequences.


A federal appeals court on Friday upheld the contempt-of-Congress conviction of Steve Bannon, the ex-adviser to former President Donald Trump who was found guilty after failing to comply with a subpoena from the House January 6 committee.
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Bannon’s conviction — and now, the DC Circuit’s affirmation of that conviction — is a boost to Congress’ leverage in its efforts going forward to obtain cooperation in its investigations.

The US DC Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously rejected several challenges Bannon made to the case, including his claim that the trial court excluded evidence he should have been allowed to put before the jury in his defense.
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rareboy said:
But of course...there will be no consequences.
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He's out on an appeal bond. He got the same sentence as Navarro, who is parked for a 6 month stay with the other aging inmates at the Fed facility in Miami.

Navarro's appeal to SCOTUS was denied.

That means that the judge in Bannon's case could remand him to prison.

It's mentioned in the article but given Bannon's previous conviction for fraud (for which he was pardoned by the Tangerine Tantrum), I don't know why he's NOT in prison. At least Navarro wasn't a convicted felon.
Bannon was sentenced to four months in federal prison, and that sentence was also upheld Friday by the appeals court. The ruling could pave the way for Bannon to eventually report to prison, though the timing is unclear.

The judge who presided over Bannon’s trial previously agreed to let him hold off from serving his sentence while his appeal played out. In its ruling Friday, the three-judge appeals panel gave Bannon time to appeal its ruling to the full DC-based appeals court before it formally notifies the trial judge that the conviction was upheld.
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'Bout time.

The unfortunate thing is that somewhere in a Federal prison, inmates will be subjected to seeing a naked Steven Bannon in the showers.

www.nbcnews.com

Judge orders Steve Bannon to report to prison on July 1 for contempt of Congress sentence

The former Trump adviser was sentenced to four months in prison for refusing to comply with Jan. 6 Committee subpoenas, but it had been put on hold while he appealed.
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A federal judge on Thursday ordered former Trump adviser Steve Bannon to report to prison on July 1 to begin a four-month prison sentence for defying subpoenas from the Jan. 6 Committee after a higher court rejected his appeal.

Bannon was found guilty on two counts of contempt of Congress in July 2022 for defying the committee’s subpoenas, but his sentence had been put on hold while he appealed the case. U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols said Thursday he did not believe that the “original basis” for his stay of the imposition of Bannon's sentence existed any longer after an appeals court upheld Bannon's conviction. Bannon could still appeal Nichol’s ruling that he must report to prison.
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