LOST - parts that make you cry. *

[Spiff]

It satisfies us because some of us have the patience to wait for the answers because we know that the result willl be a huge payoff.

But we don't know that. We can only hope that. And the "that's not important right now" answers may have been acceptable in the first few seasons. But where every other exchange in dialogue in season 5 they are still saying that, it just seems like a bit of lazy writing. And apparently, most of the people have plenty of time to listen to the answers that someone else can provide. So they are moving through time, so what? It doesn't mean they lost their ability to speak to one another. I'm not saying I want all of the answers all at once. I just am mainly saying that I am sick of hearing "that's not important right now".

 

[scains]

Oh right, now I think I get what you're saying. I do agree with you, especially when it seems odd that Daniel hasn't told them anything at all about needing to find their constants when they're so close to death!

 

[scains]

Totally! And I Must Disagree With qixote That Unanswered Questions Appear To Be A "bit of lazy writing." The Whole Show Is One Big Unanswered Question. And I Have Come To Trust The Writer's To Reveal Only What They Want Us To Know - When They Want Us To Know It. I Am Along For The Ride And Even If This Roller Coaster Has A Pre-Determined Track That Takes Us For A Thrill - I Don't Particularly Want To Know About Each Twist And Turn To Come. That Is After All What Makes It So Fun!

There's nothing left to say after that!

 

[Spiff]

And I Must Disagree With qixote That Unanswered Questions Appear To Be A "bit of lazy writing."

I did not say that the unanswered questions is the lazy writing. I said specifically that having everyone always say "that's not important right now" is lazy writing. They should write so that characters say something different occasionally rather than something like "that's not important right now."

A big pet peeve of mine is when people distort what I have said, or simply don't read carefully what I said. Let's try to not let that happen again.

 

[scains]

Well, actually, having them say "that's not important right now" and other phrases to that effect is leaving you with an unanswered question. But I haven't really noticed any "That's not important right now"s...

The only thing I don't understand like I've already said, is why Daniel hasn't told anyone about their constants? He spilled the beans about it to Desmond quickly enough - or is that because the rules don't seem to apply to him? We need to figure out what the rules of time travel are...

 

[Spiff]

But I haven't really noticed any "That's not important right now"s...

Are you kidding? This tells me that you haven't been very attentive for the past 4+ seasons. Heck, in this week's episode alone, something like that was said at least four times. You can easily find these type of replies in every episode:

JULIET: If there's something that you want to tell me, Daniel, now would be a good time.
FARADAY: I'm not sure what you mean exactly.

LOCKE: They're not dead, James.
SAWYER: Says who?
LOCKE: That doesn't matter.

LOCKE: James? What happened? Did you see something out here, James?
SAWYER: Don't matter. It's gone now.

KATE: Sayid? What's he doing here?
JACK: That's not important right now.

 

[Spiff]

I think this sums up my point perfectly:

 

[scains]

Are you kidding? This tells me that you haven't been very attentive for the past 4+ seasons. Heck, in this week's episode alone, something like that was said at least four times. You can easily find these type of replies in every episode:

JULIET: If there's something that you want to tell me, Daniel, now would be a good time.
FARADAY: I'm not sure what you mean exactly.

LOCKE: They're not dead, James.
SAWYER: Says who?
LOCKE: That doesn't matter.

LOCKE: James? What happened? Did you see something out here, James?
SAWYER: Don't matter. It's gone now.

KATE: Sayid? What's he doing here?
JACK: That's not important right now.

Excuse me? I have been very attentive thank you very much and coming up with theories on what is going on, some of which have turned out to be correct.

How could they have answered the Kate/Jack one with any decent writing since we already know what Sayid is doing there - looks like you're just nitpicking to support your previous nitpicking.

I don't really find any of the others important either. I think Daniel is still figuring things out so he couldn't really explain to Juliet in a convincing way what was going on.

Locke/Sawyer/Locke. We already know that Locke knows they're not dead - it would be a waste of five minutes TV time to show Locke explaining how he knows. And I think it's important for James to think that Kate is dead because then he can move on and then when Kate comes back she can be with Jack.

Locke/Sawyer. Sawyer was affected emotionally when he saw Kate in the jungle delivering Claire's baby. He's hardly going to admit to Locke what he saw and show said emotion in front of him. We all know that Sawyer keeps his feelings locked inside - that was what the letter was all about.

It's really all about character, even though they have been on the island for months it still shows that some of them can't trust each other.

 

[scains]

Curiouser And Curiouser - From A Different Forum:

The title of this episode was "The Little Prince". The author of the book was lost in an airplane crash. In the book, the prince leaves his home, astroid B612 - in French - Besixdouze, which happens to be printed on a container of food they turn over from the french freighter reckage that washed up on shore. So who is the little prince in this episode? Aaron? It is pretty Aaron-centric with his birth and custody issues. Sawyer? The prince in the book leaves his carefully tended rose only to find how much he loves and misses it too late. (Sawyer/Kate - birthing scene). Miles? It was heavily hinted that Miles has lived on the island because of the nosebleeds. So is he the Dharma leader's (Dr. Candle's) son in last week's episode? Locke? In the book, the prince dies in order to return to his astroid and take care of his beloved rose. Oh - and not my catch, but the words on Sayid's van, the letters can be scrambled to read "reincarnation".

The Speculation About The Nosebleeds Is That It Happens To Those Who Have Been On The Island Before - Meaning Miles And Charlotte Had Been On The Island In The Past - Which Would Account For Miles Knoweldge Of The Dead Bodies.

I have no idea who the little prince is in this episode.

But Miles knew the dead bodies were there because he's a ghost buster!

 

[Spiff]

- looks like you're just nitpicking to support your previous nitpicking.

And you're nitpicking all of my nitpicking. Really, it's not necessary and you're wasting your time nitpicking every sentence I write. I'm not really reading all your explanations so you're basically talking to yourself.

Just remember that I love this show and has been my favorite since the pilot. It's just that I have the balls to critique both the good and bad things about it. People around these boards have seen me praise this show more often than not.

 

[scains]

Well that's funny since you keep coming back to reply to me.

And obviously I'm not talking to myself if you and all the other people who have posted in this thread are replying to my posts.

And I can critique the show as well, I know that Season 2 was probably it's weakest with Michael running around crying "My son!" all of the time - that's bad writing. And then in season 2 when Rousseau and Carl were both killed and Alex was left to shout that Ben was her father. I think that was poorly dealt with and not written well at all (Well I can't tell if it was the writing, but something about it seemed really awkward)
And I have rarely seen you praise this show, I'm not saying you haven't and I could understand since season 4 and so far what we have seen of season 5 is a big change from what we have seen of past seasons.

 

[Spiff]

And I have rarely seen you praise this show, I'm not saying you haven't and I could understand since season 4 and so far what we have seen of season 5 is a big change from what we have seen of past seasons.

Considering I've been posting here much longer than you . . err. nevermind. What's the point. You got me. The gigs up. The show really sucks major balls. That's why I haven't missed a single episode, and that's why I hang out on Lost forums.

 

[scains]

Considering I've been posting here much longer than you . . err. nevermind. What's the point. You got me. The gigs up. The show really sucks major balls. That's why I haven't missed a single episode, and that's why I hang out on Lost forums.

Looking back over the earlier posts you made in this thread I can see that you love the show, your tribute to the Penny and Desmon scene in the constant.

But then, I never said you hated the show so stop putting words in my mouth. I merely stated that you rarely posted anything positive about it. Instead you've been focusing on the negatives since season 5 began.

Anyway, why don't we just continue to discuss the positives and negatives of the show politely and without any sarcasm, huh?

 

[Ekim23]

After the vid u posted Qixote... I can't stand the word WHAT
ahahahahahahhaah


I still believe in my theory about the constant...

they need a constant for each and every flash... so they basically have to find something or someone to be their constant (in each flash)... and I still believe Dan is Charlotte's constant... its not because Dan's constant is desmond that it's impossible coz

Desmond ==> Penny (constant)
Dan ==> Desmond (Contsant)
Charlotte ==> Dan (constant)

I think it could make sense...

and I am thinkin of something else..

- we know it affects people who spend a big amount of time in the island (it happens to Charlotte & Miles first)
- we know charlotte is born on the island.. and from what we know from her she must've spend a part of her childhood there
- Dan said to miles "are u sure its the first time u came to the island?"

so my thoughts... Miles & charlotte problly met in their childhool on the island but they don't know it...

Miles ==> Charlotte (Constant) ????!!!!



and i'm happy about the fact we dont have a lotta answers, and even tho im pretty sure they wont answer every question.. im sure we'll know stuff with the last season

 

[jj1087]

and even tho im pretty sure they wont answer every question

Which, IMO, is the same thing as not having the question there in the first place. For the more obvious stuff that they don't answer (if that exists), I think it just means they were obviously going for shock/intrigue. I don't like that possibility of them not backing it up.

 

[scains]

Well I read somewhere that they weren't going to go back to the four toed statue - doesn't mean that it's true of course. But if it is then I'm a little disappointed, it was one of the more interesting things that was more fantasy than sci-fi... I always thought the statue had something to do with the temple that the others go to.

 

[NomineDetracto]

i'm really eager to see what's going to happen when they get to the Orchid, if they make it.

i was also curious about when/if/how Jin and Danielle met before. even if they hadn't... i'm sure he heard about the crazy French woman. either way, i thought that was a pretty great scene & i hope that Jin meets up with Sawyer and the others soon and it doesn't take a few episodes.

 

[scains]

I want to know what John thinks he can do when he's at the Orchid! Does he do what Ben did and get sent off of the island that way?

The Jin and Danielle thing... I'm a bit confused with the time travelling stuff but I would say that this didn't happen in Jin's past before - I mean of course it didn't. So he doesn't remember it, this is more the island's past than the people's pasts we're delving into. Man I am really confused.
I think it will take them a few episodes to get Jin back to the others, they have to have the scary bit where Jin nearly does die because he doesn't have a constant.

 

[NomineDetracto]

^ yeah, that's one thing about stories that involve time traveling, it's hard to stay consistent.

perhaps Dan was lying to Sawyer about not being able to change things so he could speak with Desmond privately?

he said, adamantly, "if it didn't happen, it can't happen." which means there's no way that Jin could have met young Danielle, because that didn't happen.

so, Dan lied or the writers are just conveniently ignoring that point sometimes. or Dan just doesn't know what's going on.

 

[Ekim23]

I guess for Jin & Roussea... i take it more like it was meant to be...

Either way they met in the past... they always met, and always will...

This whole time travel thing gives headache... but IMO everything they're doing, living .. its written in stones...

I mean It happened... coz "if it didnt happen it can"t happen"