MA Judge rules DOMA is unconstitutional [MERGED]

[Kulindahr]

It's no more illegal now to assault or murder gays than it was before that legislation.

Come on, you can't really be that dense.

The economics of the situation have changed.

 

[NickCole]

Come on, you can't really be that dense.

A silly insult doesn't change the fact that what I said is the truth.

The economics of the situation have changed.

As disappointments over the competence of our government agencies, current applications of our legal system and penal system have piled up, I've become less supportive of hate crimes laws. These laws hand over more power to the state to use at its discretion (hate crimes laws don't distinguish between oppressed and privileged groups), and focus on extending punishment rather than healing victims or teaching tolerance. Supporting longer periods of incarceration and providing a more threatening weapon to the State to be used at its discretion (who determines what is and is not a hate crime?), is placing a lot of faith in a legal system that's riddled with prejudice, institutional bias, economic motive and corruption.

In short I'm just not all that impressed with hate crimes laws as a substantive step towards equal rights and access to equal benefits and privileges. And in fact I'm somewhat suspicious of laws that purport to address discriminiation by handing over more power to the state rather than to me and my fellow citizens experiencing discrimination.

I think efforts would be better spent repealing DADT and DOMA.

 

[Kulindahr]

A silly insult doesn't change the fact that what I said is the truth.

There was no insult until you just insulted yourself by pretending that the law did nothing.

In short I'm just not all that impressed with hate crimes laws as a substantive step towards equal rights and access to equal benefits and privileges. And in fact I'm somewhat suspicious of laws that purport to address discriminiation by handing over more power to the state rather than to me and my fellow citizens experiencing discrimination.

Well, yes, I think that all gays and other minorities ought to be allowed to carry concealed without an license or permit, and that the cost of a good self-defense weapon should be a tax credit. But short of that, the Matthew Shepard Act was a help.

 

[NickCole]

There was no insult until you just insulted yourself by pretending that the law did nothing.

Implying I'm dense is an insult.

And I never pretended the law does nothing.

Your disingenuousness is showing again.

 

[Kulindahr]

Implying I'm dense is an insult.

And I never pretended the law does nothing.

Your disingenuousness is showing again.

You plainly implied that the law made no difference at all.

Now you pretend you didn't.



You should go work for Obama.

 

[NickCole]

You plainly implied that the law made no difference at all.

Wrong.

And it's all right here in this thread.

I said the law "only helps us if we're murdered or assaulted." That's not implying it makes no difference at all, it's saying forthrightly that the law makes a difference ("helps us") if we're murdered or assaulted.

I also said, "And no law discriminated against us on that score anyway," which is true.

I also said it's no more illegal now to assault or murder a gay than it was before the law was signed. And that also is true.

And I explained at length why I am not impressed with hate crime laws.

Nothing implied; everything very forthright and true.

Now you pretend you didn't.

Either you're incompetent at reading comprehension or that's a lie.

I neither implied the law made no difference nor pretended I didn't. I don't pretend. Don't have to.

You should go work for Obama.

I'd love to. Doubt he or his bots would love it, however.