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Mac Leopard vs Ubuntu Intrepid vs Windows Vista
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I have always put my recycle bin in the lower right hand corner. It is now just apart of my muscle memory. When I erase something, I just naturally drag stuff straight to the bottom right.
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Re: Mac Leopard vs Ubuntu Intrepid vs Windows Vist
I recently switched to Ubuntu, and I love it! A little later, I got a laptop, with Vista on it. Previously, I didn't like Vista at all.... after using it for a little while, its not TOO horrible.. I still would say Ubutu is my favorite O/S, but Windows is probably in second place
I recently switched to Ubuntu, and I love it! A little later, I got a laptop, with Vista on it. Previously, I didn't like Vista at all.... after using it for a little while, its not TOO horrible.. I still would say Ubutu is my favorite O/S, but Windows is probably in second place
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I bought a new MacBook last month, my first one and first time using OS X Leopard. I have to say that I prefer Mac. The notebooks are beautiful, and I haven't had a problem with the OS so far (knock on wood). I am absolutely impressed by Mac's stability and organization and power. It just feels so much cleaner than Windows. Not to mention the virus free environment of OS X. Yeah, I am a Mac fan now.
I bought a new MacBook last month, my first one and first time using OS X Leopard. I have to say that I prefer Mac. The notebooks are beautiful, and I haven't had a problem with the OS so far (knock on wood). I am absolutely impressed by Mac's stability and organization and power. It just feels so much cleaner than Windows. Not to mention the virus free environment of OS X. Yeah, I am a Mac fan now.
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I am primarily a Mac fan now after years with Windows. My secondary OS is Xandros on the EEEPC with Puppy Linux on my old PC Laptop. Have tried Ubuntu on eeepc and old laptop but wireless networking was a pain so dropped it. I've had a few windows mobile devices and they were without exception buggy and unreliable, always crashing for one reason or another. I had an N95 which was great and did loads of things, more than the iphone however I now have an iphone and, despite its limitations, it does what it does so well and the apps for it are what really makes it shine.
I am primarily a Mac fan now after years with Windows. My secondary OS is Xandros on the EEEPC with Puppy Linux on my old PC Laptop. Have tried Ubuntu on eeepc and old laptop but wireless networking was a pain so dropped it. I've had a few windows mobile devices and they were without exception buggy and unreliable, always crashing for one reason or another. I had an N95 which was great and did loads of things, more than the iphone however I now have an iphone and, despite its limitations, it does what it does so well and the apps for it are what really makes it shine.
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I found out what ctrl+z could be used for in Photoshop, but didn't realize it could be used in anything on a computer. It has saved me from having to retype super long posts plenty of times.
I've only started realizing the power of the delete key. For so long I thought it was useless, but the delete key with ctrl+z makes me very happy.@BW
Oh, a drag-n-dropper. I see.
I like using the delete key, myself. It makes me feel powerful, I guess, and besides, I’d probably drop stuff all over my desktop if I tried to actually make a mouse grip-n-trip out of it.
I found out what ctrl+z could be used for in Photoshop, but didn't realize it could be used in anything on a computer. It has saved me from having to retype super long posts plenty of times.
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I started using Macs in the days of Mac OS 9 because I started working for a Mac minded company, but since OS X came out I have never considered using Windows or Linux again as a primary system. I use linux on servers, have a Windows machine to keep up with the technology as a techie, but my work horse is a macbook pro and an older G5 tower in the hobby room.
At work (open source web development) we have a 60/30 mac/linux ratio, but 2 of the 3 linux guys are considering a mac as their next machine. Oh, and one lonely new Windows colleague who is now pulling out his hairs daily. He thought that using windows 'would be easier' since he already used it. Now that he has seen us working for a few months he really wants to switch.
I started using Macs in the days of Mac OS 9 because I started working for a Mac minded company, but since OS X came out I have never considered using Windows or Linux again as a primary system. I use linux on servers, have a Windows machine to keep up with the technology as a techie, but my work horse is a macbook pro and an older G5 tower in the hobby room.
At work (open source web development) we have a 60/30 mac/linux ratio, but 2 of the 3 linux guys are considering a mac as their next machine.
Oh, and one lonely new Windows colleague who is now pulling out his hairs daily. He thought that using windows 'would be easier' since he already used it. Now that he has seen us working for a few months he really wants to switch.
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I have Ubuntu 8.10 (and Kubuntu 8.10) and my wireless connection works perfectly. I haven't had trouble with an internet connection since Ubuntu 6.
I have Ubuntu 8.10 (and Kubuntu 8.10) and my wireless connection works perfectly. I haven't had trouble with an internet connection since Ubuntu 6.
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Re: Mac Leopard vs Ubuntu Intrepid vs Windows Vist
Vista here, works fine.
Vista here, works fine.
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They're all pretty much of a muchness if you ask me. I have an intrepid hatred for Microsoft's money-grabbing ways, but Windows (if you set it up correctly) does work well. Vista not so much - you'd have to pay me to use it. The only thing about Vista I found I like was that they'd put Device Manager back directly in Control Panel rather inside System Properties like it was back in Windows 95. I'll stick with XP until Windows 7 comes out, though I'm not expecting much from that either.
On the Linux side of things, I've used a variety of distros, Mandriva (back in the days when it was Mandrake though), Red Hat and Fedora, and Ubuntu. I've got Ubuntu on my laptop, Fedora 8 on my Desktop, and Fedora 6 on my server (I actually had to log in and check that 'cause I couldn't remember). Linux's main issue is for the average person it's too difficult to use - Ubuntu is good at making it easy, but there are still points where the average user will stare blankly at the arcane error message being displayed to them. A lot of Linux developers don't see the problem with asking the user to edit some configuration file by hand when something doesn't work. I 'spose the user interface of most bits of software in Linux is where it goes wrong. The software is written by people who can write software, not by people who can do user interfaces for the unwashed masses. That's the problem with Linux currently.
That, and Firewire controller support for certain Ricoh 1394 chipsets... Grr. No, Mr. Kernel Module Developer, it's not a hardware fault - it works in Windows flawlessly.
As for Mac OS X... I have a very mixed relationship with it. Any problem I have with Mac OS X is generally not with it, it's with its fan club. The people who claim that "Nothing crashes in OS X!" Really? Tell me that when the software I'm using crashes in the middle of a performance of a charity gig I'm crewing for. Tell me that during the summer when somebody using a MacBook Pro tells me that it crashes more often than his Windows PC. They've got one thing right in OS X though - it's very easy to use. Maybe its because I'd been using Windows and Linux for a very long time that it all came naturally...
My main problem with Mac OS X (actually, this is more a problem with Apple rather than OS X) is the "Apple Tax." I'm not paying for a MacBook Pro of a certain spec when I can buy an identical PC for about half the price. Just no.
Wow, I can really ramble on when I want to...
They're all pretty much of a muchness if you ask me. I have an intrepid hatred for Microsoft's money-grabbing ways, but Windows (if you set it up correctly) does work well. Vista not so much - you'd have to pay me to use it. The only thing about Vista I found I like was that they'd put Device Manager back directly in Control Panel rather inside System Properties like it was back in Windows 95. I'll stick with XP until Windows 7 comes out, though I'm not expecting much from that either.
On the Linux side of things, I've used a variety of distros, Mandriva (back in the days when it was Mandrake though), Red Hat and Fedora, and Ubuntu. I've got Ubuntu on my laptop, Fedora 8 on my Desktop, and Fedora 6 on my server (I actually had to log in and check that 'cause I couldn't remember). Linux's main issue is for the average person it's too difficult to use - Ubuntu is good at making it easy, but there are still points where the average user will stare blankly at the arcane error message being displayed to them. A lot of Linux developers don't see the problem with asking the user to edit some configuration file by hand when something doesn't work. I 'spose the user interface of most bits of software in Linux is where it goes wrong. The software is written by people who can write software, not by people who can do user interfaces for the unwashed masses. That's the problem with Linux currently.
That, and Firewire controller support for certain Ricoh 1394 chipsets... Grr. No, Mr. Kernel Module Developer, it's not a hardware fault - it works in Windows flawlessly.
As for Mac OS X... I have a very mixed relationship with it. Any problem I have with Mac OS X is generally not with it, it's with its fan club. The people who claim that "Nothing crashes in OS X!" Really? Tell me that when the software I'm using crashes in the middle of a performance of a charity gig I'm crewing for. Tell me that during the summer when somebody using a MacBook Pro tells me that it crashes more often than his Windows PC. They've got one thing right in OS X though - it's very easy to use. Maybe its because I'd been using Windows and Linux for a very long time that it all came naturally...
My main problem with Mac OS X (actually, this is more a problem with Apple rather than OS X) is the "Apple Tax." I'm not paying for a MacBook Pro of a certain spec when I can buy an identical PC for about half the price. Just no.
Wow, I can really ramble on when I want to...
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Ubuntu sucks and will always sucks, Vista is a step in the right direction, stil slow as fuck and a real resource hog requiring reboos.
Debian 64 without X and OS X Leopard on picture.
Ubuntu sucks and will always sucks, Vista is a step in the right direction, stil slow as fuck and a real resource hog requiring reboos.
Debian 64 without X and OS X Leopard on picture.
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Infoworld's Tom Yager voices his opinion
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/11/26/48TC-osx-leopard-client_1.html
Infoworld's Tom Yager voices his opinion
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/11/26/48TC-osx-leopard-client_1.html
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Lol Jup, those are the worst fanboys 
I'm a happy Mac OS X, but had my share of little annoyances. But I've tried the alternatives and still do ocasionally. On my checklist OS X wins, your checklist might give different results. Check out 'the cult of mac'. It's a coffee table size book full of almost religous anecdotes. Hilarious.
Jup, they charge you more for the hardware, but the software (OS X) is cheaper and not version crippled. (Oh, how I hate the remote desktop in Vista: sorry, you should get ultimate for that. What? (downloads... uvnc)). I'd rather pay $130 every two years for a one size fits all upgrade. it's a kind of package deal I guess, the Apple software/hardware pricing.
Maybe it's age, but I am willing to pay for the extra thought and attention that has gone into the design, functionality, ease of use and extra support that's available. I don't know pricing in the US but see it this way: if you use a tool daily for 2-3 years and you can save 200-300 dollars but you end up with a system that annoys you a bit every day and makes you think 'did I buy the right one, should I get another', is that worth the 20-30 cents a day you saved?
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Jup, those are the worst fanboys I'm a happy Mac OS X, but had my share of little annoyances. But I've tried the alternatives and still do ocasionally. On my checklist OS X wins, your checklist might give different results. Check out 'the cult of mac'. It's a coffee table size book full of almost religous anecdotes. Hilarious.Jup, they charge you more for the hardware, but the software (OS X) is cheaper and not version crippled. (Oh, how I hate the remote desktop in Vista: sorry, you should get ultimate for that. What? (downloads... uvnc)). I'd rather pay $130 every two years for a one size fits all upgrade. it's a kind of package deal I guess, the Apple software/hardware pricing.
Maybe it's age, but I am willing to pay for the extra thought and attention that has gone into the design, functionality, ease of use and extra support that's available. I don't know pricing in the US but see it this way: if you use a tool daily for 2-3 years and you can save 200-300 dollars but you end up with a system that annoys you a bit every day and makes you think 'did I buy the right one, should I get another', is that worth the 20-30 cents a day you saved?
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That's what happends when you purchase OLD hardware.
Try to buy the Macs when they just been _UPGRADED_ , and you'll notice that they are in the top of the line for what you pay for, atleast in Sweden.
You won't get the same computer with parts that work well together in a unibody-aluminium and thinnest chassi ever with a PC.
That's what happends when you purchase OLD hardware.
Try to buy the Macs when they just been _UPGRADED_ , and you'll notice that they are in the top of the line for what you pay for, atleast in Sweden.
You won't get the same computer with parts that work well together in a unibody-aluminium and thinnest chassi ever with a PC.
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I was in a computer shop the other day looking at the new macs. Sales lady came over and found I already used macs. She asked me the three things I liked most about the mac the last thing I said was how much my language had improved since I converted to them and how my friends had noticed that when I did computer things for them I no longer swore continuously at the computer asking why the f... it wouldn't do that and now what the f... are you doing you c...ing machine? What do you mean you want to re-f...ing boot? etc.
Well I didn't demo the language to her but she understood me.
I was in a computer shop the other day looking at the new macs. Sales lady came over and found I already used macs. She asked me the three things I liked most about the mac the last thing I said was how much my language had improved since I converted to them and how my friends had noticed that when I did computer things for them I no longer swore continuously at the computer asking why the f... it wouldn't do that and now what the f... are you doing you c...ing machine? What do you mean you want to re-f...ing boot? etc.
Well I didn't demo the language to her but she understood me.
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So, to sum up experiences would it be safe to say:
Mac: Think different if you feel you must think
Windows XP: Think difficult
Vista: Think difficult but with more time to wait
Windows 7: see Vista
Linux: Think hex without the use of your printer or camera
[Climbs into flamesuit, leaves room wishing everyone fair winds, happy new year, and hopes your broken Windows box won't be at the shop too long this time]
So, to sum up experiences would it be safe to say:
Mac: Think different if you feel you must think
Windows XP: Think difficult
Vista: Think difficult but with more time to wait
Windows 7: see Vista
Linux: Think hex without the use of your printer or camera
[Climbs into flamesuit, leaves room wishing everyone fair winds, happy new year, and hopes your broken Windows box won't be at the shop too long this time]
trawler69
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The Windows flame thrower is no longer with us!
The Windows flame thrower is no longer with us!
Apollo
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I use to care about the Mac vs. PC debate (through linux in there somewhere, idk where) but now it is just boring and entertaining.
The crazy Macheads don't know what they are talking about with Windows. And the Windows people just get overly angry and make small swips at Macheads.
And the linux people mention open source stuff, and coding, and you can make it look just like windows/mac blah blah
Whats the point. Mac has it's attributes, so does Mac. And people find a reason to use Linux too.
I use to care about the Mac vs. PC debate (through linux in there somewhere, idk where) but now it is just boring and entertaining.
The crazy Macheads don't know what they are talking about with Windows. And the Windows people just get overly angry and make small swips at Macheads.
And the linux people mention open source stuff, and coding, and you can make it look just like windows/mac blah blah
Whats the point. Mac has it's attributes, so does Mac. And people find a reason to use Linux too.
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If I had the spare time, I'd delve into learning how Firewire is meant to work and a have a look at fixing the 1394 driver myself. Having not done any kernel module coding before however, I may be in for an uphill struggle.
I totally agree with you. Creative were being equally annoying with the X-Fi range of cards in Linux, and after releasing a piss-poor quality driver that worked (and I use that term loosely) on the remotest subset of Linux machines, they eventually gave up and just open sourced the entire thing, which surprised me quite a lot.
If I had the spare time, I'd delve into learning how Firewire is meant to work and a have a look at fixing the 1394 driver myself. Having not done any kernel module coding before however, I may be in for an uphill struggle.
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There are no rivals for Microsoft Office and Adobe Photoshot and their other software, none of them are as good as those apps, you still need them.
Linux (even Ubuntu) has a far way to go to be as user friendly as Windows, but when it gets there, it will be better
The question is, will it be as bloated as Windows when it gets there?
Ubuntu is so damn slow compared to a lighweight Debian.
Actually I have used windows since 95 and I still use it for C# sometimes...
It is crap, and I know what I am talking about.
It is USELESS yet dominating because it's cheap, and almost (hate to say it) a standard.
A funny thing, me and some friends were talking about programming jobs being outsourced to india or other third world countries. The solution would be to learn OBJ-C and Cocoa
that way those indians can't take our jobs since macs are so damn expensive.
BSThe reason i prefer linux is quite simple. I dont have to pay for a system that manages to compete very well against the proprietary OS's, i dont have to pay for software that rivals photoshop and microsoft office, and i dont have to pay for upgrades which, in any OS, don't bring a great deal of new innovative features.
There are no rivals for Microsoft Office and Adobe Photoshot and their other software, none of them are as good as those apps, you still need them.
Linux (even Ubuntu) has a far way to go to be as user friendly as Windows, but when it gets there, it will be better
The question is, will it be as bloated as Windows when it gets there?
Ubuntu is so damn slow compared to a lighweight Debian.
Actually I have used windows since 95 and I still use it for C# sometimes...
It is crap, and I know what I am talking about.
It is USELESS yet dominating because it's cheap, and almost (hate to say it) a standard.
A funny thing, me and some friends were talking about programming jobs being outsourced to india or other third world countries. The solution would be to learn OBJ-C and Cocoa
that way those indians can't take our jobs since macs are so damn expensive.