Mac Leopard vs Ubuntu Intrepid vs Windows Vista

[Apollo]

Re: Mac Leopard vs Ubuntu Intrepid vs Windows Vist

BS
There are no rivals for Microsoft Office and Adobe Photoshot and their other software, none of them are as good as those apps, you still need them.

Linux (even Ubuntu) has a far way to go to be as user friendly as Windows, but when it gets there, it will be better
The question is, will it be as bloated as Windows when it gets there?
Ubuntu is so damn slow compared to a lighweight Debian.



Actually I have used windows since 95 and I still use it for C# sometimes...
It is crap, and I know what I am talking about.
It is USELESS yet dominating because it's cheap, and almost (hate to say it) a standard.


A funny thing, me and some friends were talking about programming jobs being outsourced to india or other third world countries. The solution would be to learn OBJ-C and Cocoa that way those indians can't take our jobs since macs are so damn expensive.

Funny, I have windows vista, and it works like a well oiled machine. i got it the day it came out and never had problems.

You obviously don't know what your talking about. Cause if you did, then you would be able to explain why Windows still dominates, and why the vast majority of people are perfectly fine with their windows machines.

Why do people think they know stuff when they don't?

 

[happy20945]

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ITA With Persian89 windows dominates because It's cheap. if mac were to change there price as low as Windows I think Mac would totally be number one.

 

[Apollo]

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ITA With Persian89 windows dominates because It's cheap. if mac were to change there price as low as Windows I think Mac would totally be number one.

It would be number one. But Steve Jobs has personally said, to the share holders of all people, he doesn't want to lower the price below a thousand dollars. He seems Macs as a premium product, and should be priced as such. Bullshit really.

By the time he does make cheap Macs, Windows 7 will be out and it is pretty solid.

 

[trawler69]

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I think you will often find that a lot of people are far from happy with their windows machines and complain like hell about them but are tied to them because of the software they use. While it may be true that there are now an increasing number of alternatives to windows based software there is the inertia and expense of changing an entire company platform. From a home point of view the main drawback to the alternatives seems to be microsoft's dominance as a gaming platform.

From my personal point of view, the saving in frustration and fixing time has more than made up for the extra cost of the mac.

 

[Apollo]

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Considering a majority of americans voted for bush twice, that's not a very reassuring statement.

I don't really see how they are connected.

And really, I would like to see a group of a thousand regular people use Linux for a day or two and get their opinions on it. I doubt they would enjoy having to be able to understand code and trying to figure out how to properly download a new program.

 

[Apollo]

Re: Mac Leopard vs Ubuntu Intrepid vs Windows Vist

I think you will often find that a lot of people are far from happy with their windows machines and complain like hell about them but are tied to them because of the software they use. While it may be true that there are now an increasing number of alternatives to windows based software there is the inertia and expense of changing an entire company platform. From a home point of view the main drawback to the alternatives seems to be microsoft's dominance as a gaming platform.

From my personal point of view, the saving in frustration and fixing time has more than made up for the extra cost of the mac.

Most of my friends are completely happy with the windows platform. A few are Mac guys, but not the crazy ones, and I think one or two of them know what Linux is. I had to explain what Linux was to most of my friends when I showed them my ubuntu install.

None of them complain about it that much. The complaints about their windows computer is equal to that of the Mac complaints really.

But again, this is a old and tired debate. If you have a proper computer to run Vista, you find it more stable and a decent improvement over XP. It isn't significant, but thats what Windows 7 is for.

I love Mac's too. I know how to use them, and how to fix them for people, and set them up for people. It has it's attributes, and I do find it feels less clunky when you use OS X. But that is because of Finder really. The performance from OS X to Windows isn't that significant.

I try every new flavor of Ubuntu, and it is ok. I couldn't live in it. I prefer Microsoft Word to Open Office. Especially with the new ribbon interface. That makes it much much more superior to Open Office in that regard. And I love Adobe Photoshop, Lightroom, Audition etc etc. I just enjoy Adobe products, because while Linux has a open source equivalent, it always comes up short to Adobe.

And the way you have to install a new program in Linux is unbelievable really. I love the idea of going to the website, downloading the program, and double clicking to install. Everytime I try that method in Ubuntu, I have to end up finding a different way to get the program. It is the most annoying thing about it. A regular user wouldn't even bother.

 

[Apollo]

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I think the thousand or so regular people would be ecstatic at not having to pay hundreds of dollars for an office suite, for starters.

Since installing linux i've never even had to bother with codes, so i dont really know what you're talking about.

When it comes to adding/removing programs, you'll find this nifty little selection in your start menu called "Add/Remove Software", now, if you consider this to be coded language, then i can understand your frustration, but to the rest of us proles, it's pretty simple and straightforward.

Thats if they could figure out how to install the program first.

And I tried using Add/Remove Software. Could never find the program I wanted.

I ended up finding Synaptic, and even then it was hit or miss if it found the program I was looking for.

Eventually, someone showed me the command line I could use to get a program through the terminal.

something sudo install/ whatever

 

[ace3316]

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But again, this is a old and tired debate. If you have a proper computer to run Vista, you find it more stable and a decent improvement over XP. It isn't significant, but thats what Windows 7 is for.

I love Mac's too. I know how to use them, and how to fix them for people, and set them up for people. It has it's attributes, and I do find it feels less clunky when you use OS X. But that is because of Finder really. The performance from OS X to Windows isn't that significant.

I try every new flavor of Ubuntu, and it is ok. I couldn't live in it. I prefer Microsoft Word to Open Office. Especially with the new ribbon interface. That makes it much much more superior to Open Office in that regard. And I love Adobe Photoshop, Lightroom, Audition etc etc. I just enjoy Adobe products, because while Linux has a open source equivalent, it always comes up short to Adobe.

And the way you have to install a new program in Linux is unbelievable really. I love the idea of going to the website, downloading the program, and double clicking to install. Everytime I try that method in Ubuntu, I have to end up finding a different way to get the program. It is the most annoying thing about it. A regular user wouldn't even bother.

I can agree with most of that. I've been using a MacBook for a year now as my primary computer, and have enjoyed it. I have not become a Mac crazy.

I have a copy of Vista Ultimate 64, but never really experimented with it since the hardware on my desktop has been starting to show its age. I instead put Fedora Core 9 on my desktop, and after the third installation, it has been running pretty smoothly. Of curse, that is also thanks to some good online instructions and forums I found.

I also put Mandriva Spring 2008.01 on a 4 year old Gateway notebook, and didn't experience any problems. I just found that Mandriva comes preloaded with too much stuff, and it is constantly updating.

For Ubuntu, I've tried version 6 and 8.10, but it just didn't grab me. I like how Linux can be completely customized, and the variety and functionality of open source software has greatly improved. Yet, certain features and functions still tend to fall short of the products that are used regularly (i.e. MS Office).

Even with my Mac, I did not want to purchase Office for Mac, and went with iWork. The Mac office suite has met my needs, but when I need to share with others, the conversion feature can sometimes change the format or cause errors. I also think MS Word is more complete when it comes to editing over Pages.

Ok, I think I rambled long enough. As mentioned in previous post, I can agree that this debate has ran its course. I think it should move into the direction of talking about experiences between Mac, Linux, and Windows rather than trying to say what is better.

I think virtualization will also help people now pick a base computer, and then allow them to explore and use other operating systems.

 

[Nephelauxetic]

Re: Mac Leopard vs Ubuntu Intrepid vs Windows Vist

Linux (even Ubuntu) has a far way to go to be as user friendly as Windows, but when it gets there, it will be better
The question is, will it be as bloated as Windows when it gets there?
Ubuntu is so damn slow compared to a lighweight Debian.

My mother was using Ubuntu... I think for 90% of the PC users that would be just optimal.

I don't agree that Debian is faster. Anyway what do you mean? The user interface? Boot time?
We use Ubuntu for HPC without any speed loss compared to debian.