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[NYCGuy2000]

did u guys see the commercial for the reunion show? the host asked ben if he had genuine feelings for ronnie

 

[aijalon18]

I saw a clip from the reunion. Ben and Ronnie were wearing matching "Bronnie" t-shirts.

 

[Apollo]

I've Heard That Said On The Show Too. But Is Personality Important To A Model? I Mean Does This Lack Of Personality Come Through In Her Catwalk And Photos - Or Is It Just Because We Got To Know Her From The Show?

It is important if she wants to win the show. It is also important if she wants to be a genuine supermodel. Networking networking networking

 

[falconfan]

WOW...I think I'm in love with you now. Good job FalconFan!

Awww thnx well I already loved you lol

 

[falconfan]

A Lot Of Good That'll Do falconfan - When It Comes To Bi-Guys You'd Get More Loyalty From A Labrador.

Although They Do Make Wonderful Sex Toys.

Which Leads Me To Str8 Boy Ben - Looking Back He Is Definitely Playing The Gay Card - Trolling For Gay Votes By Alluding To Same Sex Attraction. Repulsive In My Opinion. He Has About As Much Attraction To Ronnie As Ronnie Has For Holly. Kind Of Proves That In The End Voting For The True Gay IS The Only Way!

Wow... you're ignorance is ASTOUNDING.

A. You don't know a damn thing about Nik for you to try and make a statement based on his character is just proof that you're world view is uninformed, over simplistic, and judgmental. Don't try to make generalizations about bisexuals or any group of people. It's just sad.

B. Ben knew that Ronnie was attracted to him and rather than be a homophobic ass he was nice to him. That's not repulsive. The man is married he never hinted to anything. Just because he's secure enough to joke about things doesn't mean you should defame him.

C. You've surpassed the point where I'm disgusted by your comments and now I simply pity you for creating such a strange dark world for yourself ot live in.

 

[Supernature]

I still can't believe my beautiful Casey is gone! *cries*

But I'm hoping Holly wins in the end. Not only is she the last female, but I think her performance throughout the show has been pretty outstanding. She's definitely got something that transcends her personality and occasional emotional fragility.

Though, I've grown to loathe Perry's personality there is no denying that he's committed and gives it his all. Ronnie too (and obviously he is more likeable). I'll be appalled if Ben somehow manages to win. He doesn't deserve it, IMHO.

 

[Spensed]

Ben knew that Ronnie was attracted to him and rather than be a homophobic ass he was nice to him. That's not repulsive. The man is married he never hinted to anything. Just because he's secure enough to joke about things doesn't mean you should defame him.

I don't really disagree with that comment.

But my sense was that the Ronnie-Ben thing was producer driven as an interest-generating point and it was kinda creepy at times.

It's one thing for Ronnie to have a soft spot for Ben and find him sexually attractive, it something else for him to monologue and indulge it as if Ben might be sexually available to him and wasn't sexually commited elsewhere.

The other creepy part was when Ben got into the whole homophobic jag on one of the shoots effectly calling Casey (I think) a girl with no sensitivity to Ronnie's gayness. The incident was unpleasant and outweighed Ben's overly quick and glib apology.

I realize I'm over-analyzing a silly reality show. But lots of straight men flirt with gay guys without intending anything to come of it and they tend to play it like Ben does, as if he had no active role in it.

The problem for me with the Ronnie-Ben crush was that it was a tired and unhealthy stereotype, the active opportunistically predatory gay and the passive unavailable straight.

Even though he had no sexual interest in it, Ben's role in allowing or encouraging the crush was never touched on. That would have been much more interesting.

P.S. I still hope Perry wins.

 

[falconfan]

You Have Got To Be Kidding

When You Use Someone To Advance Your Own Goals - I'd Say That Is Pretty Repulsive. The Flirting, The Kissing . . . None Of It Was Genuine Or Honest - It Was A Blatant Attempt To Appeal To The Gay Audience In Order To Win.

And To Call Ben NOT Homophobic Shows Incredible (dare I say ASTOUNDING) Ignorance On Your Part Regarding What Happened On The Show. It Was Ben Who Slipped Up On One Episode And Showed His TRUE HOMOPHOBIC Self By "Gay Bashing" Ronnie. An Incident That Ronnie Explained "brought him back to a dark side of his past." And You Call This Just Being Nice To Him?

He called Ronnie and Casey girls.... he referred to Casey as gay and meant it as an insult... does that make him a horrible person? Certainly not. The word "gay" has found it's way into the American slang lexicon as being synonymous with bad. I know gay men who use the term in such a fashion all the time. It's not really a reflection of one's feelings but of a societal perception of the topic. And even if one does believe that homosexuality is "wrong" I don't think that makes them a bad person... it makes them wrong but you're free to have whatever wrong opinion you want. I'm not a judgemental person. I don't label people as good or bad or whatever. I see people for what they are. If Ben hated gay people or if he was "homophobic" (perhaps the biggest misnomer in our lexicon. I don't even like using it) he wouldn't have treated Ronnie the way he did. He wouldn't have reacted the way he did. He's just a normal guy who doesn't like using and when he was loosing he started hurling miscellaneous insults because he doesn't like to loose. It's as simple as that. I'm not about to condemn people for using specific words. The problem with slurs is that they're not equally appreciated by both sides. The person who uses them rarely understands the term. But like I said before it all goes back to the simple fact that I'm not trying to label people. I get certain impressions based on their actions and feel a certain way based on what I observe.

 

[aijalon18]

Ben was being a homphobe which i agree is the biggest misnomer. But everything else is pretty asinine.

Ben was making fun of gays bottom line. He started out saying your building a penis because your gay. There's no other way to spin that. He may have Ben frustrated but the fact is he was saying gay as an insult in its sexual meaning. Not just gay as bad on is own.

And I lost all respect for Ronnie for accepting that apology. He only did because he wants Ben's love. Just another gay guy with little self-worth putting up with anything from straight guys. I bet if Perry said that Ronnie wouldn't have accepted that bullshit. Even Tyson blogged about Ben's behavior being unacceptable.

 

[Spensed]

Calling someone gay in a negative way means that you're not a good person (at least in that respect) in the same way as calling someone the N word does. Words matter.

A gay guy doesn't deserve support over an equally matched or better straight guy only because the gay guy is gay. Just being gay doesn't always mean much more than just being gay.

 

[falconfan]

Unbelievable. Anymore Of This Excuse Filled Str8 Sympathizing And I'll Start Taking You For One Of Those Traitorous Log Cabin Republicans.

The Only Difference Between What Ben Did And That Of Some Redneck Homophobe Is That He Used Snowballs Along With His Insults Instead Of A Baseball Bat. It Had Nothing To Do With Losing (or loosing as you put it), It Had Everything To Do With Revealing The True Darkness And Spiteful Nature That Resides In His Manipulating Black Heart. It Is His Blatant Use Of Our Dear Ronnie For Personal Gain That Makes His Actions The Even More Repulsive.

Ronnie Is The Epitome Of The Gay Male. He Is Intelligent, Beautiful, Graceful, A True Class Act In Every Way. He Represents What All Gay Men Are To This World - Irreplacable Wonderful Gifts. We Know This To Be True - But Too Often Like You falconfan - Unable To Admit It - Let Alone Flaunt It - Perhaps Somehow Ashamed Of It - Thus Too Ready To Excuse Away The Str8 Society's Hatred Toward Us As Just Some Misunderstanding Or Trivialized Personal Opinion.

It Is Time We Recognize Our Unabashed Beauty And Support Those Like Us Who Are Gay - If For No Other Reason Than Because They ARE Gay.

Ummmmm

A. Really stop capitalizing every word. It's annoying.
B. "Str8 sympathizer" ? Really??? really???? You make it sound like a WAR. There are no traitors. There are no enemy sympathizers. There's just life. One life. Full of people, all types of people, smart people, dumb people, malicious people, kind people, people with sad sad twisted views of this world. I try not to condemn people. Actions are wrong. Beliefs are wrong. People are more than the sum of their parts. Which is why just like I'm willing to see that Ben is a product of his environment and not a malicious human being I know that you are not malicious or evil just severely ignorant and the product of what life has thrown at you. And for that I feel sorry. But I urge you to stop seeing life as a battleground of us vs. them and see it as reality.
C. I don't know what world you live in. I really don't. But here in reality not every gay man is "intelligent, beautiful and graceful" Gay men are like any other group of people. They are variable. You can't some up any group of people as consisting of any one set of adjectives. I refuse to buy into silly stereotypes, be they positive, negative, or neutral. There's only one generalization you can make about gay men and that is that they are men who are sexually attracted to other men. Other than that it's all variety.

 

[falconfan]

Calling someone gay in a negative way means that you're not a good person (at least in that respect) in the same way as calling someone the N word does. Words matter.

I disagree with you completely. You're assuming it's a given that using N word makes someone "bad." It doesn't. I have racist family members. They're not evil malicious people who go about hurting people for their own enjoyment. They're racist. It's a flaw. A big flaw. But we all have them and it's irresponsible to say someone else's flaws are "worse" than your own. Only when we stop judging people can we asked not to be judged ourselves.

 

[aijalon18]

I disagree with you completely. You're assuming it's a given that using N word makes someone "bad." It doesn't. I have racist family members. They're not evil malicious people who go about hurting people for their own enjoyment. They're racist. It's a flaw. A big flaw. But we all have them and it's irresponsible to say someone else's flaws are "worse" than your own. Only when we stop judging people can we asked not to be judged ourselves.

Sorry but being racist does make you BAD. You just don't wanna accept it because it is your family. But you can't take responsibility for them you are not them. You don't get to choose your family. However you can choose your friends and if you choose to have racist friends that is something you have to deal with.

I'm not trying to talk bad about your family members but you are the one who said they are racist. By calling them racist you are saying they treat people a certain negative way based solely on their race. That makes them bad. Just like people who mistreat homosexuals based solely on their sexuality are bad people.

 

[snapcat]

Guys, we're treading into some deep waters with some of the comments made in this thread. I'm not going to point fingers at this time, but 2 of you all need to take a breather and calm down before you say something that will get you a warning, or worse, a forum ban. I don't think we've ever had anyone forum banned from the entertainment forum before. It's just a TV show, folks.

Alright? Can I anticipate everyone's cooperation?

 

[falconfan]

Sorry but being racist does make you BAD. You just don't wanna accept it because it is your family. But you can't take responsibility for them you are not them. You don't get to choose your family. However you can choose your friends and if you choose to have racist friends that is something you have to deal with.

I'm not trying to talk bad about your family members but you are the one who said they are racist. By calling them racist you are saying they treat people a certain negative way based solely on their race. That makes them bad. Just like people who mistreat homosexuals based solely on their sexuality are bad people.

What are things make you bad then? Is there a check list? Because I was never showed one? Which character flaws allow you to completely write off another human being?

 

[falconfan]

Guys, we're treading into some deep waters with some of the comments made in this thread. I'm not going to point fingers at this time, but 2 of you all need to take a breather and calm down before you say something that will get you a warning, or worse, a forum ban. I don't think we've ever had anyone forum banned from the entertainment forum before. It's just a TV show, folks.

Alright? Can I anticipate everyone's cooperation?

Well you're the moderator so if you say so... but I really don't see how this is any different than the endless discussions of race that perpetually pop up in the Real World/Road Rules threads

 

[snapcat]

I'm just saying that some of y'all's posts are kinda' too personal, and that's just not necessary. Just my 2 cents ....

 

[aijalon18]

What are things make you bad then? Is there a check list? Because I was never showed one? Which character flaws allow you to completely write off another human being?

well I think we can keep this civilized so neither of us will be in trouble. But we have to set limits. Hating or disliking an entire group of people is one of those limits. If we follow your philosophy then bullies are not bad they just are misunderstood. You have to have limits or no one will ever be accountable for anything. Racists need to be accountable for their bigoted beliefs and practices.

 

[falconfan]

I'm not trying to talk bad about your family members but you are the one who said they are racist. By calling them racist you are saying they treat people a certain negative way based solely on their race. That makes them bad. Just like people who mistreat homosexuals based solely on their sexuality are bad people.

I just wanted to clarify my statement


I didn't mean to imply that certain members of my family treat people different based on race. There are different levels of racism. No one in my family is burning crosses on lawns but if they see a black man with sagging jeans and three or four chains I'm not gonna pretend that they don't lock their car doors. Racism isn't a clear cut issue. You could be mean and malicous and hurt people, you could think yourself to be innately superior or it could be something more along the lines of believing in stereotypes, which is what I am referring to with respect to certain members of my family. If they encounter a black man will they treat him differently than a white man... no. But I'm not going to pretend that my grandfather isn't under stereotypical racist impressions. And I'm not condoning him thinking that but I'm saying that doesn't make him an all out "bad" person. And I don't think Ben calling Casey gay is any different from that last level. I don't think if they were outside of the house he would've treated Ronnie any differently. I don't think he's secretly mean to gay people when there aren't cameras around. I think people say stupid things when they're angry and I'm just not ready to say they are a horrible human being because of that. Ignorant sure but horrible... no."

I refer you to Barrack Obama's wonderful race speech. He put it far better than I ever could.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eCRpw821V5k&feature=related

 

[falconfan]

And I haven't met anyone kinder, more loving and who satisfies all of my needs the way he does.

Not even me

Oh and to the moderator, I totally understand your position but I don't think anything FalconFan posted was too personal. I think his posts are intelligent, eloquent and a joy to read and he was willing to engage in a topic that many prefer to shy away from which is precisely why it should be engaged. Good for you FalconFan!

Hmmmmm seems he was right... no sense of loyalty at all lol

Love ya babe