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Male Cheerleader Struggling To Come Out The Closet

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Hey, everyone. First post.

I'm a closeted male cheerleader who is afraid to come out of the closet. I am almost 20 years old and still haven't told anyone, not even my closest friends. It's crazy because cheer leading has a lot of gay guys involved, yet I'm still afraid to come out to my own team mates! I've been cheering for a while now, but I just recently moved to KY and cheer at UofK.

No one would ever question me being gay only because of my voice and physique. Yeah, I've got some muscle on me and a "straight" voice, but I don't want to to categorize me as being a heterosexual! I get out A LOT and have missed out on A LOT of action because I'm scared of something leaking out and totally ruining my reputation.

I was really comfortable with coming out to my new college team, but every single one of those guys are straight and I'd feel weird coming out to them! It's just a big mess! I've read in a lot of places that you will feel comfortable to come out when you are ready -- that was three years ago, and I'm still having trouble! I really, really want to come out but am extremely scared.

Maybe sticking around on this forum will help me, because I really need help!
 
I don't know if anyone is "comfortable," coming out unless they've done it a lot. If you're waiting for calm and easy, as the sign you're waiting for, you're going to be waiting forever. Comfortable comes with being out awhile. Right at the beginning it's mostly fear and relief.

You generally know you're ready when you stop playing with the idea and actually do it.

How do you know all the guys on the team are straight? Some of them could be hiding just like you are.

The primary reason I got to the point where I could overcome the fear of closet life, was sexual frustration. I wanted to get laid, by someone with a dick, it's better over here. Think about it.

OK you're a male cheerleader, who's worried people are going to think you're gay - because you are. Is it possible that a lot of those straight guys on the team are already assuming you're gay? I mean, this is probably the only instance I've ever seen where stereotype actually runs in your favor. Try running with it, instead of against it.

Plus, sugar, you're a male cheerleader, a whole lot of people are guessing you're gay, a bunch more are assuming it. It's gonna be hard for you to pull the straight acting bullshit.
 
Plus, sugar, you're a male cheerleader, a whole lot of people are guessing you're gay, a bunch more are assuming it. It's gonna be hard for you to pull the straight acting bullshit.
The thing is its not hard because it's THERE! I come off as straight.

Some may assume I'm gay, but I've never had anyone personally ask or comment about it around me and that's what also kills me. If someone asked, I'd probably tell them because it would feel like an invite.

I'm becoming really close friends with all of the cheerleaders on the squad and next week, we're going off to dinner. I don't wanna drop the bomb and have someone choke on a meatball, 'ya know?

I think the problem is just me actually telling them. All I need is that little push. If someone even joked around and said, "So-and-so is gay", I would feel comfortable with saying it, but this hasn't happened and probably never will.

I'm just very frustrated.
 
The thing is its not hard because it's THERE! I come off as straight.

I just want to throw this out there.

You say you are a male cheerleader who comes off as straight.

There are people that think they come off as straight and maybe they do, but when they do come out, no one is surprised or they already knew.
 
Yea coming out is a definite hard time, I am not a cheerleader but come off as straight and feels like that’s what puts more pressure on coming out. Like the last poster said that many people may not be surprised but still it’s a hard step. I hope that you can find out a way to make it out of the closet, if so let us know how it goes.

Also, good luck with the cheerleading thing at UK I know how serious they are about it here.
 
:-D Perhaps, if you were to go to the "Show Yourself Off" forum and upload 387 nudes of yourself in various stages of arousal, you'd be more at ease coming out. lol
 
Yea coming out is a definite hard time, I am not a cheerleader but come off as straight and feels like that’s what puts more pressure on coming out. Like the last poster said that many people may not be surprised but still it’s a hard step. I hope that you can find out a way to make it out of the closet, if so let us know how it goes.

Also, good luck with the cheerleading thing at UK I know how serious they are about it here.
If it ended up like that, I'd probably be mad at myself on all the wasted years. =P

And thank you. It's my first year here and I'm just barely getting used to the hard work we have to put forth. You may think it would be hard to always be living up to a standard or precedent but once you get there and figure out that you don't have a choice, it's like you don't even think about it you just do it, lol.

I will keep you updated.
 
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No one would ever question me being gay only because of my voice and physique. Yeah, I've got some muscle on me and a "straight" voice, but I don't want to to categorize me as being a heterosexual! I get out A LOT and have missed out on A LOT of action because I'm scared of something leaking out and totally ruining my reputation.

That "reputation" being that you're a masculine, man's man?

Who's the brave one? You? Or those obviously gay guys who live it out loud and proud?

Here's the deal- the stereotypes exist because we allow them to. By hiding this fairly unimportant fact about yourself, you're not the brave masculine "straight-acting" guy that you've created in your head.

You don't have to put on glitter. You don't have to carry a rainbow flag. You don't have to start speaking with a lisp and calling everyone "gurl". You don't have to wear a T-shirt that says "I like cock".

You don't have to change anything about yourself except your fear.

Just be honest. Just be who you are. And never apologize about it.

People will respect you for it.
 
That "reputation" being that you're a masculine, man's man?

Who's the brave one? You? Or those obviously gay guys who live it out loud and proud?

Here's the deal- the stereotypes exist because we allow them to. By hiding this fairly unimportant fact about yourself, you're not the brave masculine "straight-acting" guy that you're created in your head.

You don't have to put on glitter. You don't have to carry a rainbow flag. You don't have to start speaking with a lisp and calling everyone "gurl". You don't have to wear a T-shirt that says "I like cock".

You don't have to change anything about yourself except your fear.

Just be honest. Just be who you are. And never apologize about it.

People will respect you for it.

I don't think you understand that I'm not creating anything in my head. I live my life like I would if I were out of the closet. If I came out, I'd still be the same. I don't try to act straight, I said I come off as straight, there's a difference.

I'm coming out to a few people tomorrow at practice. I'm ready.
 
I don't think you understand that I'm not creating anything in my head. I live my life like I would if I were out of the closet. If I came out, I'd still be the same. I don't try to act straight, I said I come off as straight, there's a difference.

And that's exactly my point to you. If you give the message to everyone, "I've accepted myself and I expect you to accept me, too" then you won't have a problem.

Give the people who know you and care about you the chance to know this one extra thing about you. You'll be surprised how many of them will be as relieved to know the truth as you are to finally be honest about the truth.

It will change some relationships for the better. It will also change a few relationships in not-so-good ways. In the end, you'll figure out who your real friends are.

I'm coming out to a few people tomorrow at practice. I'm ready.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
 
iiiset, it's Laughing My Butt Off, Shaking My Head.

I would agree with Justlove, but I'm not sure if he's mocking what Kara is saying.
 
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Thank you. I'll keep you updated.

I'll post a link of me in videos talking once I'm out so you guys can get a better description of me. I don't think I sound gay, but some of you might think differently.
 
The thing is its not hard because it's THERE! I come off as straight.

OK, and what does “coming off as straight” mean exactly?

The only set of behaviors common to all straight guys is that they fuck women. When one of us says the above, or some variant, we’re pretty much trying to distance ourselves from “obviously gay.” Because we don’t want anyone to associate that with ourselves - it’s trying to be a straight guy who just happens to fuck other men. Thing is though, that you don’t come off as straight. You come off as you, and you are gay, there’s no straight in there.

Back when I was newly out, I did the same thing. I told myself that I was SA/SA and played the whole posturing game. I didn’t want to be associated with limp wristed, fey little faggots, because obviously, I was a Texas Redneck with a big ass truck, and a shotgun to prove it.

But you know what, no matter what I told myself, no matter how butch I was, no matter how much I congratulated myself for not being one of them, I was gay, and it was my ambivalence about being labeled a gay man, because of course gay men are effeminate, that pushed me into the whole “come off as straight,” game. It’s a kind of ingrained homophobia.

So why is this important?

Well, because it’s part of your coming out process. You say you want a resolution, that if someone asked you, you’d tell. Well, fine and good, but if you were that fine with it why don’t you simply tell and get some resolution?

I think probably that you’re not as OK with being an out gay man as you think you are, I think you probably have some of the residual closet issues, like the above wound up in what you’re feeling.

Which is why you don’t just out yourself, why you’re wanting someone else to pick up that slack – and you know what, that’s fine. In order to deal with things like that though, you have to recognize them for what they are.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being effeminate. Just like there is absolutely no need to toss in conversational riders intended to tell others you're not. It’s fine to be lumped in with those guys, it’s fine to be associated with biker bears, it’s fine to be just another gay guy, however you are - and however you are, you aren’t going to get to comfortable gay man from “coming off as straight.” At some point you’re going to have to let that go.

When you get comfortable enough with yourself, and your sexuality, you stop tossing in those “straight acting,” disclaimers about yourself, because they become irrelevant, because you are a gay man, and deep down you know that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with “coming off” as any kind of gay guy.

Think about it.
 
Hmm... sort of. I think it's a bit more complicated than that. There are non-sexual gay traits, and their presence or absence does make a difference in how you are percieved, both sexually and non-sexually.

Could you enlighten me as to what those non-sexual gay traits are?
 
Well, the obvious problem with your list, is that you missed the gay guys who don’t fit it, you don't know if you were stunningly successful, the only gay guys you found, fit your self defined criteria. Plus what you’re describing is pretty stereotypical “gay behavior.” I don’t fit any of your criteria, except maybe the one about not being a slob, but then I don’t get $200.00 haircuts and buy pointlessly expensive clothes just for the label – and yet, I’m a big ole’ fag.

Plus there’s the problem of context. I’ve lived places where women start assuming you’re gay based on the amount of muscle and definition you have.

But anyway that has nothing to do with the point I was making, which was about gay men who refer themselves as straight is some way. Straight Drag.

Gay guys who are associating themselves with some kind of preconceived straight affectation, are making a negative definition, the “straight acting,” persona is all about negating any perception you might have that they fit any of the things on your list.

The point is not to “act like a straight guy,” (the only way to do that anyway is to start fucking women,) the point is to ensure that although you have sex with men, you are not perceived as an effeminate faggot. The whole thing is about one’s discomfort with the perception of gay men in society - which has a lot to do with definitions of masculinity, homophobia, and misogyny.

It’s been ingrained in our heads that gay means effeminate and effeminate is wrong, it’s not being a man, and indicators that are perceived as effeminate must be avoided. People must be informed that one is not, in fact one of “them.”

There are varying degrees of this, some guys are worse than others, but it comes from the same place, a basic (sometimes sub-conscious) acceptance of the homophobia we all grew up with.

You can't be happy as a gay man until you've worked that out, and it has nothing to do with lists about gay men do this, or gay men do that, and straight guys don't.
 
Now I realize this is feeble science. It's just a personal project, and as a method it has been stunningly successful at determining who is gay and who isn't in my life. Now, I know mostly young, relatively intellectual gay guys, a few on the east coast and a few in the midwest. But it works like a charm.

So far, only one guy I fully surveyed who later came out escaped detection. He went from one star to 4 stars after coming out- and shortly thereafter gained an additional star. Several 2-star people have turned out to be gay, and several have not, just as predicted. I have had a handful (maybe 8) false positives claiming to be straight with 3 and 4 stars, but I have my doubts about some of them. I think it works just as well on self-described bisexual males, but I know only a few of those.

All the criteria have nothing to do with sex. The fact that this works, even if only in the limited scenario described above, is remarkable and very mysterious to me.

One star is insufficient to draw any conclusions about an American male under 60’s sexuality, so statistically you probably aren't gay. With 2, I consider it unsurprising if you are gay. With 3, I consider it very likely. With 4 or more, I consider it virtually certain. Additional stars mean being easier to peg as gay with simpler or more stereotypical criteria.

I am a 7-star gay.
“out” “funny, possibly gay voice” “a certain sort of vocabulary” “incompletely gay face and gestural manner of presentation” “acutely aware of gay issues” “interest in performing arts” “(training for) a gays-overrepresented occupation” “pacifism” “wit and sarcasm” “unusual posture” “weird laugh” “love of order and civilization” “bad relationship with family.

Level 4 Indicator. Indicates a male is, barring some wacky hijinks, certainly gay. Worth 3 stars.
- Being out.

Level 3 Indicators. Each one is worth a star.
- Stereotypical gay voice- often misdiagnosed as a lisp, but a lisp is a mostly unrelated speech disorder. Using the highest few physiologically available registers, aspirating more than normal, delicate or hyperarticulated consonants, and stereotypically gay word pronunciation (think of “faaaaab-u-laaaas!”)
- Stereotypically gay vocabulary- It has been described as a “feminine” vocabulary, but I think it’s something all to itself. For the Level 3 indicator, it’s mostly lowest-common denominator words, nothing too high-society. (amazing, fabulous, skank, bitch as some mediocre examples of a very verdant language). Also notable by the absence of common words spoken by straight men.
- Stereotypically gay face- I have trouble spelling out what this is, but it’s clear to me by sight. Certain patterns of the face and especially its expression (all in all, I think more muscle contractions, squinted eyes, a kind of a permanent smile) are not common to all gay males, but almost all males in which they are present are gay.
- Androgyny or drag- not the same thing as outright transgenderedness. Again, many, even most gay males do not present themselves androgynously, but males that do are very probably gay.
- Closely following or outspokenly advocating gay political causes or gay pop culture. Obviously straight allies might as well, that’s why you need one or two more.
- Having a pink-collar job or set of interests. Flight attendant, elementary school teacher, hair stylist, women’s fashionist, etc.
- Self-presentation as affiliated with a gay subculture (“bears,” “leather daddies” and the like)

Level 2 Indicators. 2 of these are worth a star.
- Any kind of “funny, possibly gay” voice- The stereotypical gay voice is somewhat common in gay males, but many other gay-suggestive voices exist, many of which sound nothing like the stereotypical one. They are often marked by traits like using a lot of the physiologically available vocal register in everyday speech, peculiar patterns of articulation, softness, overly sexual, or a kind of permanent sarcasm.
- A certain sort of vocabulary- Very evocative, even vaudevillian words like fantastic, peculiar, bizarre, alarming, orgasmic come to mind. A vocabulary that is broad and splendiferous without being overly technical.
- Presence of an incompletely gay-looking face or gestural manner of presentation.
- Being acutely aware of gay political issues or gay pop culture.
- Being interested in men’s fashion, and cultivating a fashionably unique personal style.
- Being interested in the performing arts, especially theater and vocal performance.
- Being an encyclopedia of pop culture.
- Having an occupation or set of interests in which gay men are at least twice their proportion relative to the general population- artist/musician/writer, art manager/curator, scholar of the humanities, model, schoolteacher, upscale service (any type of customer service in a fine hotel or restaurant), bartender.
- Personally affected by AIDS (infected, or many friends)
- Problems with gay drugs (meth and X)

Level 1 Indicators. 4 or 5 are about equivalent to a star. This is an incomplete list.
- Soft shyness.
- Being well-groomed.
- Pacifism.
- Wit and sarcasm.
- Unusual way of carrying self/posture.
- Weird voice.
- Weird laugh.
- Having an occupation in which more of the males are gay than would be predicted with the population average.
- Being or having been a teacher’s pet, or an overachiever relative to your socioeconomic background.
- Being liberal in defiance of demographic predictions.
- Love of order and civilization (Simcity, complicated strategy games)
- Self-destruction or suicidal tendencies.
- Bad relationship with family.
- Homophobic or anti-gay.

Hmmm, that is quite an interesting list. With that being said:

-What was the sample population for this study?
-In how many states was this study conducted?
-Does this study take into account guys who do not self-identify as gay or bisexual?
-Does this study take into account males from foreign countries?
-What was the age group men within this study?
-What is the socioeconomic background of these men?
-What is the sociocultural background for these men?
-When was the study conducted?

By the way, even if you are able to legitimately answer these questions, your study loses credibility as it is too subjective. There has to be something upon which everyone agrees. For example, when you say a guy who is effeminate, what personality traits are always going to be considered effeminate by everyone, everywhere? Fortunately, you did preface your statement with feeble, so...
 
Not to sound like a little cuntress, but do you seriously think people think you're straight?

You're a MALE CHEERLEADER, talk about getting stereotyped.

One piece of advice, get over the "straight acting" bull shit. You're a fag, you like dick -- you'll never be more straight than the metro/urban hipster that eats pussy.

This is probably the reaction you're going to get from your female teammates: Honey, I know.
 
I just want to throw this out there.

You say you are a male cheerleader who comes off as straight.

There are people that think they come off as straight and maybe they do, but when they do come out, no one is surprised or they already knew.

Agreed! Usually, it's like, "oh really, gasp, I'm soooo surprised, so how about those _________." (fill in the blank local sports team)

A conflicted gay guy really thinking he comes off as straight in nearly all cases is deluding himself.



To the OP, look, coming out is NEVER easy no matter if you're 15, 25, 35, 45, or 55. No matter what the usual excuse is, "my parents are really religious", "I'm really str8 acting", "I have a girlfriend / wife", "my friends will be shocked", blah blah, blah. Hell, I probably used the same lame excuses before I came out.

Look, you're on the male cheerleading squad which screams, "HELLLLLLOOOOOO, I'm gay!" Your friends are not going to be surprised. Give them a chance, and don't be so judgemental of them.
 
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