Man wrongfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

[TX-Beau]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

BTW I'd be willing to bet that Canada has the exact same problem.

 

[gsdx]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

LOL there are laws against "it" down here. None of those people or things are the cause of what fabulouslyghetto was talking about.

If you follow the trail it is.

BTW I'd be willing to bet that Canada has the exact same problem.

I never said we don't. That's why we have laws to make it punishable. If we didn't have the same problem, we wouldn't need the laws.

By the way, your president made 'hate' and 'abuse' acceptable. Not long after he was elected and he showed everybody where he stands on racism and female abuse, the racists and abusers here in Canada came crawling out of their caves. It wasn't long before they went crawling back with their tails between their legs.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

Oh spare me, Trump being a racist didn't make it "acceptable" to anyone who wasn't already a racist.

Climb down off that high horse. If Canada has the same problems, then obviously making "it" illegal didn't work. Your racists aren't in caves, they are right where they've always been. So are ours and frankly after that fiasco with Trump, our racists crawled right back where they came from - because it was obvious to everyone that Trump didn't make "it" acceptable.

The "trail" of racism goes back to Europe.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

What does that mean? if you can't even talk about it without going to jail,how do you know who is a racist? Do you turn each other over to the police if you hear a racist comment? I assume there must be a standard of what is racism posted publicly so you can all know what is illegal.

fabulouslyghetto Is correct. All the research says that given the same crime, the black guy will consistently draw the harsher punishment. It IS illegal to discriminate on the basis of color, but that is difficult to prove on a case by case basis when the act of discrimination is institutional discretion afforded to Police and Prosecutors and Judges.

The problem is that the attitudes that promote this aren't overt, cross burnin', sheet wearin', dramatic displays of racism - like you no doubt want to criminalize. The attitudes are ingrained and I guarantee you that a bunch of the people that have them don't think they are racists in the first place.

That is what "white privilege" does. All us white people get the institutional benefit of the doubt, no one else gets. Even brown people can slip into participating, giving the white lady a break, assuming the black one is on crack.

That said I would say to fabulouslyghetto that the system isn't corrupt, it's functioning as designed. The system was designed to protect the white status quo, and that's exactly what it does.

But there is hope, things get better in fits and starts, slowly.

Damn, nicely put.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

If you follow the trail it is.



I never said we don't. That's why we have laws to make it punishable. If we didn't have the same problem, we wouldn't need the laws.

By the way, your president made 'hate' and 'abuse' acceptable. Not long after he was elected and he showed everybody where he stands on racism and female abuse, the racists and abusers here in Canada came crawling out of their caves. It wasn't long before they went crawling back with their tails between their legs.

He didn't make it acceptable, he was just someone in power that is a part of it.

Don't blame Canadian racists on Trump, they were always there and regardless of who is there they will always look for a reason to peak their ugly little heads out of the hole.

Racists are shunned here constantly. Over 400 people at a college protested Richard Spencer, who had a talk to where maybe 10-20 people showed up.

 

[Pierresro]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

He got bed and board.

Thats a real ass hole comment!!

 

[gsdx]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

Oh spare me, Trump being a racist didn't make it "acceptable" to anyone who wasn't already a racist.

I didn't say that. I said that he made it acceptable for racists to come out and make themselves known. If you're going to put words in my mouth, I'm done with this.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

Thats a real ass hole comment!!

Honestly what do you expect?

 

[frankfrank]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that you can compensate someone for losing that much of their life.

But I'm sure that a bank account stuffed beyond capacity would be a good start.

For starters, pay that person for all the years lost, an amount equal to three times the poverty level over that period. That wouldn't give the person their life and lost years back, but it might just stop some of this shit.

fabulouslyghetto Is correct. All the research says that given the same crime, the black guy will consistently draw the harsher punishment. It IS illegal to discriminate on the basis of color,

That is what "white privilege" does.

Not to mention that if somebody is Living While Black, it is more likely that they WILL be detained or arrested if they are involved in any kind of illegal activity. If there are eight prostitutes working in a city neighborhood somewhere, it's more likely that it will be the black person who is stopped and questioned by the police...and they will probably be searched. If a sheriff's deputy stops five people for speeding between 2:00 and 3:00, and four of them are white and one is black, WHICH car do you think will be searched? I've seen a number of statistics over and over again saying that (for example) illegal drug use is almost exactly at the same rate when comparing "white" or "black" people and, yet, blacks are disproportionately arrested. Cops presume that black people are up to no good - and if they can get away with harassment, searching, etc. they WILL do it.

THAT is what white privilege is all about. Or, should I say, what a PART of white privilege is about. It goes much deeper than arrests.

 

[Cormac135]

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Thats a real ass hole comment!!

Honestly what do you expect?

Still true though.

 

[kev]

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I find it funny that the 90+% of the people on this site who worship the State ("Government is just a name of things we all do together."), have their panties in a bunch because the government has fucked someone over and NOW wont' pay for it.

If the State had a dick, you would be sucking it.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

I find it funny that the 90+% of the people on this site who worship the State ("Government is just a name of things we all do together."), have their panties in a bunch because the government has fucked someone over and NOW wont' pay for it.

If the State had a dick, you would be sucking it.

I find it funny that your argument makes absolutely no sense and you’re bringjng up a quote that who knows if anyone actually made it.

 

[Julian89]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

Aside from compensation, the dude also needs free healthcare and much-needed counseling. Something must be in place to help him make a transition. I mean he come out from solitary confinement out onto the streets with nothing. Also, will his records be cleared? I mean like, when he goes out to get an apartment and the landlord seeing he has a record, chances are he will be denied. This is truly a phucked-up thing.

 

[opinterph]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

… you’re bringjng up a quote that who knows if anyone actually made it.

The phrase kev placed within quotes represents a concept or interpretation.

 

[Kulindahr]

Must be Tuesday

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kansas-man-wrongfully-imprisoned-23-years-no-compensation-from-state/



This is why we don't stand for your anthem. I'm tempted to do more reading about exonerations, wrongful imprisonment cases et cetera but I don't think I have the belly for it tonight.

Back in the day when someone got released from prison they were given a decent set of clothes, $20, and a six-shooter, plus sometimes a Bible.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

Yeah this is pretty disgusting, the state owes him and the detective needs to be arrested and imprisoned. But I would be surprised if that happend.

It is an oft-proposed and never debated reform to require that if a person is exonerated the ones who made the arrest and sought the conviction should serve the person's sentence until the real criminal is found.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

This is awful and you can bet there's going to be some law suits that come from it.

They won't go anywhere, because is the realm of law enforcement the U.S. inherited the philosophy of the "divine right of kings", just without the kings: government officials doing their jobs conscientiously can't be sued for carrying out their duties.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

Wrongful conviction and imprisonment should automatically come with compensation by the state for stolen lives. If states knew that they could face payout for wrongful conviction and incarceration....they might be more careful to avoid it.

And a chunk of that money should come from the pockets of those who arrested and prosecuted.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that you can compensate someone for losing that much of their life.

But I'm sure that a bank account stuffed beyond capacity would be a good start.

OVERZEALOUS prosecutions are way more prevalent in this country than most people realize.

Stories like this make me SICK!!!

They're prevalent because cops get points for making arrests, and because prosecutors get political points for getting convictions -- and they know that by the time someone might discover they were wrong, they'll have moved on so they'll never be touched.

IMHO if a person is found "not guilty", the cop(s) who made the arrest and the prosecutor who pushed the case should have to pay the courts costs of the accused, plus a hundred dollars a day in damages for mental suffering (and any counseling bills after the experience).

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Man wronfully imprisoned for 2 decades won't get jack shit from the state

What does that mean? if you can't even talk about it without going to jail,how do you know who is a racist? Do you turn each other over to the police if you hear a racist comment? I assume there must be a standard of what is racism posted publicly so you can all know what is illegal.

fabulouslyghetto Is correct. All the research says that given the same crime, the black guy will consistently draw the harsher punishment. It IS illegal to discriminate on the basis of color, but that is difficult to prove on a case by case basis when the act of discrimination is institutional discretion afforded to Police and Prosecutors and Judges.

The problem is that the attitudes that promote this aren't overt, cross burnin', sheet wearin', dramatic displays of racism - like you no doubt want to criminalize. The attitudes are ingrained and I guarantee you that a bunch of the people that have them don't think they are racists in the first place.

That is what "white privilege" does. All us white people get the institutional benefit of the doubt, no one else gets. Even brown people can slip into participating, giving the white lady a break, assuming the black one is on crack.

That said I would say to fabulouslyghetto that the system isn't corrupt, it's functioning as designed. The system was designed to protect the white status quo, and that's exactly what it does.

But there is hope, things get better in fits and starts, slowly.

To be precise, historically the system was designed to protect the King, his noble friends, and Protestants. It has always seemed strange to me that our Founding Fathers allowed a system that rested on the foundation of the "divine right of kings" to be incorporated into our republic. OTOH it's gotten worse because thanks to the attorneys we've lost the full power of juries in trial by jury, namely to decide that regardless of the person's actions, the arrest was unjust and the person should go free -- trial by jury was supposed to be one of those checks in the system of checks and balances, a place where the people can tell the government it got it wrong.