Married men

[MatttheBruinsfan]

I'd say it's possible, but being secret lovers is almost certainly not going to be as fulfilling as an open romantic relationship where you publicly acknowledge each other as significant others. Discreet flings can be passionate and fun, but there's nothing quite like the affirmation of going out to dinners, movies, on vacations, etc. with someone you care about and being proud for the world to see you as a couple.

 

[cashit305]

I'd say it's possible, but being secret lovers is almost certainly not going to be as fulfilling as an open romantic relationship where you publicly acknowledge each other as significant others. Discreet flings can be passionate and fun, but there's nothing quite like the affirmation of going out to dinners, movies, on vacations, etc. with someone you care about and being proud for the world to see you as a couple.

I am just curious to know what you mean by “possible”? How would you describe a closeted relationship?

 

[Shelby29]

Discreet flings can be passionate and fun, but there's nothing quite like the affirmation of going out to dinners, movies, on vacations, etc. with someone you care about and being proud for the world to see you as a couple.

I agree, Matthew...

 

[funsicles]

31 y.o., and Joey is like a sex-starved frat boy with no compunctions of grabbing my arse or junk in public {even kissing me on the lips (no tongue) upon greeting or leaving one another with a hug}!!! He's undeniably in the closet, but he tells everybody that he's comfortable with his masculinity and (hetero)sexuality! In his defense, I do greet most of my friends (male and female) with a hug and peck of a kiss. Joey has held my hand in front of his wife and baby mama mistress ... lol, although, all the while exclaiming, "This is So Gay!!!" but he never let go and even secretly caressed his thumb over my hand while holding it.

I had to go to Las Vegas for a business convention in October of 2018, and I brought him along with me for 4 days & 3 nights. Joey was already publicly calling me, "Husband" in public for a couple of years by this time, so he fully adopted the philosophy of "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas." For the first and only time EVER, open/public affection was the norm; he'd hold my hand walking through the casino or on the strip, face and arm caresses, french kissing everywhere, and our daily sex was multiple. Lol ... even with the soft water at our hotel, I had to buy us some lotion, because so many showers-a-day was drying my skin!!!

Joey is quite the charmer and a half when he wants to be: hilarious, caring, and even altruistic!!! In the same breath, when he's in a foul mood, he is an arse and half: vindictive, verbally/emotionally abusive, and physically destructive (i.e. holes punched in walls, cell phones thrown and shattered, or even 3 fractures in his right hand from punching a car window). So, I'll gladly welcome the good, and Liz can chance and accept the bad!!!

We are true friends!!! Though not as often as for a quickie hook-up, there have been MANY times that we got together to just hang out with one another, because one of us just needed a friend at the time. I do love him, and he me ... and I am beyond certain that there have been adolescent bouts of one of us actually being "In Love" with the other. So our relationship works out perfectly just as it is! Joey got a little miffed when I was dating Bryce and rebuffed his advances (even one with him pleading to just blow me ... and he was even willing to swallow, which is definitely not the norm)!!! Joey will always have an itch that needs to be scratched, but when I am in a committed relationship, I am sincere and true to that one person!!!

Needless to say, but Bryce and I didn't work out. I took Joey to go watch, "It: Chapter 2" when it first came out. Surprisingly, he has never had movie head (or road head for that matter until me)! We were the only ones in the theater, so I made my move, but he was still hurt over my rebuttal of his last advance. Lol ... I tried to tell myself that that was his loss, but I was truly craving his cock! He did initiate hand-holding while driving him back to his house (with Liz). He also did reach over, hug, and give me a peck on the lips saying, "Rejection hurts, doesn't it? Maybe next time, Husband."

I knew all was well when the next night he came to pick me up a bottle of Jack Daniels and a case of Budweiser! He'd already rented us a hotel room, and oh what a night!!!

 

[MusicMan321]

31 y.o., and Joey is like a sex-starved frat boy with no compunctions of grabbing my arse or junk in public {even kissing me on the lips (no tongue) upon greeting or leaving one another with a hug}!!! He's undeniably in the closet, but he tells everybody that he's comfortable with his masculinity and (hetero)sexuality! In his defense, I do greet most of my friends (male and female) with a hug and peck of a kiss. Joey has held my hand in front of his wife and baby mama mistress ... lol, although, all the while exclaiming, "This is So Gay!!!" but he never let go and even secretly caressed his thumb over my hand while holding it.

I had to go to Las Vegas for a business convention in October of 2018, and I brought him along with me for 4 days & 3 nights. Joey was already publicly calling me, "Husband" in public for a couple of years by this time, so he fully adopted the philosophy of "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas." For the first and only time EVER, open/public affection was the norm; he'd hold my hand walking through the casino or on the strip, face and arm caresses, french kissing everywhere, and our daily sex was multiple. Lol ... even with the soft water at our hotel, I had to buy us some lotion, because so many showers-a-day was drying my skin!!!

Joey is quite the charmer and a half when he wants to be: hilarious, caring, and even altruistic!!! In the same breath, when he's in a foul mood, he is an arse and half: vindictive, verbally/emotionally abusive, and physically destructive (i.e. holes punched in walls, cell phones thrown and shattered, or even 3 fractures in his right hand from punching a car window). So, I'll gladly welcome the good, and Liz can chance and accept the bad!!!

We are true friends!!! Though not as often as for a quickie hook-up, there have been MANY times that we got together to just hang out with one another, because one of us just needed a friend at the time. I do love him, and he me ... and I am beyond certain that there have been adolescent bouts of one of us actually being "In Love" with the other. So our relationship works out perfectly just as it is! Joey got a little miffed when I was dating Bryce and rebuffed his advances (even one with him pleading to just blow me ... and he was even willing to swallow, which is definitely not the norm)!!! Joey will always have an itch that needs to be scratched, but when I am in a committed relationship, I am sincere and true to that one person!!!

Needless to say, but Bryce and I didn't work out. I took Joey to go watch, "It: Chapter 2" when it first came out. Surprisingly, he has never had movie head (or road head for that matter until me)! We were the only ones in the theater, so I made my move, but he was still hurt over my rebuttal of his last advance. Lol ... I tried to tell myself that that was his loss, but I was truly craving his cock! He did initiate hand-holding while driving him back to his house (with Liz). He also did reach over, hug, and give me a peck on the lips saying, "Rejection hurts, doesn't it? Maybe next time, Husband."

I knew all was well when the next night he came to pick me up a bottle of Jack Daniels and a case of Budweiser! He'd already rented us a hotel room, and oh what a night!!!

Wow you two sound like a married couple who love eacother very much. And from what you said you hold hands in public, kiss or grab ass do ppl ever look and say anything? So u never watched the movie in the theater just gave him a bj lucky nobody saw you two do anything

 

[sweet_taboo]

Yes, it's very possible - I've had several very long-lasting monogamous relationships with DL guys.

Do you think it is possible to actually be in a relationship with a closeted man, even if he is single? I do not think relationships with someone closeted are possible, instead I just consider them to be “flings”. It is different if you live somewhere where it is dangerous to be gay - closeted by necessity vs. closeted by choice.

 

[sweet_taboo]

If the guy is confident and assured of his identity and doesn't care what others think, then it is very possible. Also, if you don't make a big deal out labeling the relationship - just be okay with letting things flow naturally. The labels are what scare most DL guys.

Discreet flings can be passionate and fun, but there's nothing quite like the affirmation of going out to dinners, movies, on vacations, etc. with someone you care about and being proud for the world to see you as a couple.

I am just curious to know what you mean by “possible”? How would you describe a closeted relationship?

 

[sweet_taboo]

Yeah, trips out of town or just some place where people don't know you can be surprisingly game-changing in these kinds of relationships.

I had to go to Las Vegas for a business convention in October of 2018, and I brought him along with me for 4 days & 3 nights. Joey was already publicly calling me, "Husband" in public for a couple of years by this time, so he fully adopted the philosophy of "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas." For the first and only time EVER, open/public affection was the norm; he'd hold my hand walking through the casino or on the strip, face and arm caresses, french kissing everywhere, and our daily sex was multiple. Lol ... even with the soft water at our hotel, I had to buy us some lotion, because so many showers-a-day was drying my skin!!!

 

[cashit305]

If the guy is confident and assured of his identity and doesn't care what others think, then it is very possible. Also, if you don't make a big deal out labeling the relationship - just be okay with letting things flow naturally. The labels are what scare most DL guys.

But most DL men are not confident, not assured of their identity and do care what others think. I am just trying to understand others thoughts on this because I find it interesting. I am an openly gay man 30 yrs old. Most of the men that have shown interest in me are closeted gay and bisexual men. I rarely pay any attention to them or give them time of day because it is quite obvious that they would want me to go back into the closet with them to fulfill their needs and not mine. There is no mutual respect with DL men, it is all about them.

Are you closeted?

 

[cashit305]

Yes, it's very possible - I've had several very long-lasting monogamous relationships with DL guys.

Interesting. I think dating a closeted man is a fantasy that gay men try to make themselves believe is a reality when it is not. It is basically the opposite of a closeted gay man dating a woman - it is a fantasy of a heterosexual relationship when in reality it is anything but that.

 

[sweet_taboo]

Never had that problem and would never be involved with a person if we didn't have mutual respect and trust of one another.

No, not closeted at all. Not overtly feminine or draped in pride flags and rainbows and whatnot.
If someone asks, I'll tell them. But honestly I can't recall anyone in my adult life ever really asking me. I'm just a chill open-minded sex-positive guy that guys (and women) are drawn to.

...it is quite obvious that they would want me to go back into the closet with them to fulfill their needs and not mine. There is no mutual respect with DL men, it is all about them.

Are you closeted?

 

[funsicles]

Yeah, like Mr. sweet_taboo, I get hit on by women all the time, and seemingly moreso since I came out of the closet; I'm not effeminate, nor do I wear rainbows, pride flags, or banners. I used to be quite the jock, but last week's softball tournament resulted in 3 positive Covid-19 cases, so that had me getting a sinus lobotomy coronavirus test - thankfully negative, but ending this year's softball (fast pitch) for me (not worth the danger)!!!

I went to court yesterday to testify, offer a character reference on behalf of my married man. He's got a new Public Pretender, so his sentencing was once again postponed until September; irritating, yes, but at least I got to rock out a suit ... GAWD I MISS WORKING!!! His mom, dad, and baby mama were also in attendance, but at the conclusion of his hearing, I was the only one that called over for a hug before he was taken back upstairs to our county jail. Lol ... once again arousing his baby mama's suspicions!!!

Joey has sworn up and down to her that his nudes and naughty texts to me were just a joke, meant just to tease me, because everybody knows that I'm gay! She must be really gullible, because she believed him, and I am certainly not going to rock that boat! She did message me on FB last week, telling me that I can just go ahead and have him, because she got a message from one of his jail buddies telling her that she didn't need to worry about him cheating on her with another woman (she does), but be worried about me. I did reply, "Well, that'd be stupid and certainly your loss. Do you think that Joey's constant reference and referral of me as "HUSBAND" has something to do with it?!"

Their truck broke down last winter, they walked house to house trying to use somebody's phone ... one of them called the cops. The deputy gave them a ride to my house (8 miles) rather than to their house (5 miles from where they were). As soon as he got out of the squad car, he was yelling, "HUSBAND!!!" before he even made it to our deck. Lol ... I shudder to think what Elizabeth felt and/or went through emotionally in front of that deputy. Thankfully, I was washing the lunch dishes when the squad pulled in, so I saw them pulling in. So, I got the profound pleasure of driving them 14 miles to their house, AND WITHOUT ROAD HEAD!!!

She is now giving voice to her suspicions and asking me point-blank questions. I tell her that Joey is just secure in his masculinty and heterosexuality to have not one, but TWO gay best friends (my ex included). Lol ... I also told her, "If you really want me to have sex with Joey, please give him a Viagra ... on second thought, don't, because he doesn't get hard, I'll just roll him over!" Ha ha, she didn't find that as funny as I did. So, I lied and told her that there was absolutely nothing going on sexually between us, that we were truly just best friends. With Joey and with EVERYBODY, I feel that it is not my place to OUT anybody before he is ready! Lol ... I remember being mortified when someobody asked me, "Are you gay?" when I was 25. I was so confused and closeted back then.

I've lost some hot friends that indulged in the love that dare not speak its name with me. THEIR hang-up, not mine!!! Now I know how all the girls that I've bedded must feel ... kind of, but I am not ashamed of my actions or blame them. Now I am like a huge trophy prize to be won, as too many women try to seduce me telling me that I just haven't been with the right woman yet, and of course, it is them that they are speaking of in their banal seduction. I will admit to allowing an occasional one of my ex-girlfriends and/or conquests to blow me at a party when my gaydar was mute and potential gay conquests nonexisitent. She was happy, I was happy, and we knew what was happening was happening without promises! Lol ... very much like funzies with my Joey -- NO PROMISES!!!

 

[funsicles]

Our small county jail only has so many cells, so they're forever farming out inmates to other various jails. My Joey was farmed out to Douglas Co. (Superior) last November, and I just got into the habit of putting $50 on his books and $25 on his Reliance (phone) account every month. I never accepted any phone calls from him, as I told him to use it with his family, specifically his kids! Well, he got transferred back here to Burnett Co. for court on the 10th with a new Public Pretender, so his sentencing is now pushed back until mid-September. Well, I threw the same $50 on his canteen account, and $25 on whatever telephone service (still $0.50-a-minute, but not Reliance) ... unbeknownst to either of us, lol, said $25 is only valid for my land line that I provided on the application / payment.

My Joey called me twice yesterday (no more than 5 minutes on either call), and again this morning! It was so awesome to hear from him (as all jails and prisons have prohibited visits per the Covid-19); I literally felt my heart swell, almost fit to burst! Of course, I'd never tell him that, but he still has no compunctions on yelling, "HUSBAND!!" whenever I answer the phone. We do end every one of our calls with a "I love you." Lol ... no wonder his cellmates wonder about him! Otherwise, I hadn't heard his voice since early November since giving him a ride to and from work. Lol ... he texted that he'd let me suck his cock, but since I was the one driving, I was the lucky recipient of road head.

I do love him, but both his mother and I are sick of his live-in baby mama's near daily teenaged drama antics! She has literally "GIVEN HIM TO ME" 5 times this year, swearing up and down that Joey and I talk daily and conspire against her. She's insecure that she is unable to match or surpass the financial assistance that I provide our Joey ... I am not trying to show her up, I am just more financially secure, and $75 is basically what I would spend on a weekly night out bar-hopping. With the 'rona about, my social life is nill other than the Internet or Spongebob Squarepants, so I can easily afford it.

I shaved my son's hair off last week (no barber), lol, and as promised, I let him shave my hair off too!!! We're a total DYI family!!! He loves fishing (more hook and bobber now), but he still refuses to worm his own hook or even take the fish off the hook upon catch! Thankfully, he has no problem scaling said fish that we do keep, and if he were older, I'd let him gut them too! He is always so proud when I fry up our daily catch for supper, because "SEE! I am contributing to our household too!!" Lol ... my head shave was the day before Joey's court hearing, and when he hugged me, he asked in my ear, "What's with the hair, dude?" Lol ... I guess that I am sexier with my scraggly over the ear and near shoulder locks in his eyes!

 

[funsicles]

4 phone calls later ... he is burning through his minutes like no tomorrow!!! His last phone call was asking me to tell his baby mama, "Thanks for blocking him." I told him and texted her that I am Switzerland and do not want to be drawn into this drama. I don't know her (personally) or trust her, but I will loan her money if she wants more minutes with our Joey!

I love him like no tomorrow, but he is far beyond boyfriend material! Sex with him is actually more awesome when he's hooked up with some chick. Maybe it's the sneaking around, or even the taboo of our love that dare not speak its name, but Joey told me that she's most mad over letting me cum in his mouth!!! Not fucking his ass or swallowing his babies, but him swallowing mine! I never divulged that to her, so it had to be from him. His mom knows about us per stupid Liz sharing Joe and my naughty texts and nudes to one another, and even she would rather have me date Joey than her! I told Joey's mom that she'd have to give me 300 head of ponies and 500 non-small pox infected blankets before I ever assumed him as a boyfriend. Lol ... she lost it.

My Joey is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, but he is beautiful to me. I love his small, skinny 6-inch cock, which he absolutely hates, especially when comparing him to me or Will. To this day and forever after, I will always make gagging noises when deep throating him, if just for his benefit. He asked me to give Liz blowing tips, which, I did, and she was mortified. I let him take one video of me blow him, and he pulled out and gave me a facial. Sadly, and/or thankfully, he uploaded to the 'Net and doesn't know how to access it.

What's happening between those two is between those two. Liz called Joey's mom, who in turn called me. Miss Tracie lacks the couth that my mother has and instilled in me, as she told me to just F*ing block her! Mom said that she'd rather have me date him than meth-head Liz, and I told her flat-out that he's too psycho and melodramatic for me. Joey is fine when he psyches out on others, because then he just bitches and complains to me ... looking for solace. Lol ... the drama of dating a "straight man."

 

[funsicles]

Lol ... I FINALLY got a 3-page letter from "Husband," and the only two punctuations were two commas (after, "Deer Husband," and at the end with, "Love, Joe." It was one huge run-on sentence, replete with misspellings and improper grammar! With jail staff reading any in-coming and/or out-going mail, I was shoicked when he wrote, "U could prolly give Liz on how to give good head cause your gay and all." Lol ... she is already suspicious per our exchanged self-nudes and his naughty texts! She has technically "GIVEN" him to me on three different occasions!!!

No questions about it - I do LOVE HIM!!! Poor Joey is just not boyfriend material - his last wife, current baby mama, and two other ex-girlfriends blatantly evidence that fact! He supposedly needs to be in control, but with me 3 years older, 3 inches taller, and can beat him on arm wrestling every time might have something to do with that. He's a hottie and a half, and I love his skinny, just under 6" cock!!! I bottom for him like a trooper, and I get to hear him whine and continually ask me to wait, just hold on, okay, a little a more ... wait! etc.

Joey is personality PLUS!!! Oh, and of course, he looks great naked!!! (hard or soft)!!! He's cheated on every single one of his girlfriends (wife and baby mama) with other girls and always got caught. I get by, because I am openly gay, educated, and have a great job, so they consider me out of Joey's league. lol

He's offered once in rea life and just in his last letter for he and I to make a go of it as a couple. LOL ... NO WAY!!!

I love him like no tomorrow, but I again reiterate, "He is NOT boyfriend material!!!" Our having to sneak around is what actually makes it so hot! We both have video clips of each of us sucking the other one off. He's trying to tempt me with allowing me to film my fucking his fine, hairy arse!!! OMG ... I am SOOOOOO Tempted!!!

 

[funsicles]

Lol ... just got my third phone call of the day - COLLECT with no money on that account, but just hear him yell, "I love you, Husband" totally makes my day!

 

[funsicles]

How quickly things change ... I put $30 on his (canteen) "books," $30 on his telephone account with his baby mama mistress, and just $15 on my telephone account. We've enjoyed letter correspondence and a few telephonic conversations, and wow, Liz blew up at him, she blew up at me, and she even blew up at Joey's mother!!! "All Sam wants is Joe's ass! You know how I know, because ever since they became besty friends, all he wants to do to me is fuck me up the ass!!!"

I tried to assure her otherwise ... despite our not being FB Friends, I am public and there for the world. I don't know what she filled his head with, but I got not one, not two, but three hysterical rants from "Husband," because I was trying to supposedly sabotage his relationship with Liz. I listened to every rant, he hung up ... next day, he apologized, but still believed Liz, and I told him that I'd give him the widest berth EVER!!! "You don't me to call you, write you, or put money on your books, hey, PAL, you got it!!!"

To date, I've received exactly 17 calls from the jail (he's the only one I know in there), but I automatically hang up without even listening; he's even tried my land-line and same thing. I have 15 texts from Liz trying to apologize for the drama. I had him screaming at me for almost 11 minutes, and that was more than enough! She's trying to tell me that he's trying to do right, and that she was in the wrong.

Sorry, I play, but don't watch baseball, but I do believe it's 3 strikes and you're out! I love Joey more than words can say (in and out of love with him), but we always had the promise of a friendship until Liz and horrible things he yelled at me. Last phone call that we actually spoke, he told me to keep my F'ing money and don't ever write to him again. I am honoring that request.

I got a call at 9:00 p.m. CST tonight from his mom pleading with me to take his calls. I told her flat-out that we're done, Liz doesn't even want us as being friends, Joey agrees, so it is done.

 

[funsicles]

Our last telephonic conversation (his ranting at me for Miss Liz's accusations) was last Saturday. I received a handwritten letter from him today that I have yet to open, as I am seriously debating on whether or not to just send it back ... lol, can I just write on it, or do I have to go to the Post Office to have it designated, "Return to Sender"?

My curiosity is nigh overwhelming ... is it an apology or just more of him ranting at me for outting him? Lol ... as if him giving Liz his phone with our texts and exchanged nude selfies is MY fault?!! I wish and will always want the best for him, but I am not one of his beleagured wife/girlfriends that has to take his crap! I feel like a stupid teenaged girl wanting to make a point by returning his letter unread ... I guess I do have 12+ hours to decide.

4 different girls posted on her FB Wall Snap shots of his texts of him putting the "Hey Baby" on them, but Liz chooses to focus her wrath on me. I don't KNOW per se her motives, but I am undeniably her focal point. Lol ... maybe it was the 14-second video clip that Joey took of me swallowing his load (unbeknownst to me at the time, but he did send me a copy). Joey himself gave her the tip of constantly swishing your tongue underneath the head and shaft ... lol, I told him that when he asked why my blowjobs were more awesome than anyone else's. So, now that is my fault too that Joey now knows how to give or get proper head.

I would admit to being an actual threat to their relationship, if I actually was, but truth be told ... I do love him, but he is a better side dish than the main entree!!! I've enjoyed his naked magnificence through two girlfriends, one wife, and now the mistress baby mama. Do I read the letter, or do I send it back? Should I accept one of his thrice-plus daily calls? His mom trying to make us a couple..!! She loves me, and I am only 3 years older than Joey, but I am more responsible and believe it or not, financially secure.

Lol ... Liz had to scroll back almost two years to find where I said that I appreciate men's hands and feet before I date them ... lol, it explained Joey's 4 pictures of his feet to me. Ha ha, she threatened to show my cock off to the world, and I told her to go for it!!! I'm not blessedly porn star endowed, but I jave nothing to be ashamed of ... Joey's cock is skinny and perfect (in my mind, at least), and she asked the audacity to ask me what girth (she said, "thickness") to she should get her next dildo?!! WTH?!! I am within minutes of blocking her, but her messages going unread on FB should be evidence enough.

 

[funsicles]

Hung-up upon requested collect phone calls have dwindled down from 9+ a day down to 4 or 1-a-day. Joey wrote one letter, and I brought it back to the Post Office, and I had it stamped, "Return to Sender." So, I don't know if he's trying to apologize or just continue his ranting and raving. Sadly, I quit answering his mother's calls as well. I don't have voice mal set up on either my landline or cell phione.

Wow! As I write this, I was going to count it as the first day without a call from Joey, but it came through, and yes, I declined after the second ring.

I do love him, and I always will, and now I am debating whether or not I am once again IN LOVE with him?!! I regret not accepting his calls, if just for an apology, but I am not one of his ex-girlfriends/wives that need to put up with his bullpoop!!! His last rant included, "Keep your F***ing money, and stay out of my life!!!" I have been honoring that wish.

His mom texted me on FB that he diverted $10 to his telephione account, specifically, my landline. I didn't answer her either ... life is rough.

 

[sweet_taboo]

Why it always seems to happen this way...
https://thisvid.com/videos/dave-gets-fucked-by-austin/