Sorry for straying. I just heard on one of the networks that they are putting the city under lockdown until this guy is captured. They just suspended Amtrak service in that corridor as well.
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Video Mass: MIT Cop Shot Dead, Authorities respond to explosions and gunfire
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Sorry for straying. I just heard on one of the networks that they are putting the city under lockdown until this guy is captured. They just suspended Amtrak service in that corridor as well.
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Slightly off-topic: There are two sides to every story regarding Chechnya.
I remember around 1994/1995 when the drive for independence started - just like many other places that had conflict at the time from the ex-Soviet Union (e.g. Lithuania and the Baltic states, Georgia nearby in the Caucasus, etc.)
The Russian crackdown on Chechnya was RUTHLESS - the region was devastated, the capital city Grozny was reduced to ruins and rubble, countless civilians died. It tells you all you need to know about Russia that a country of its huge size and power became afraid of a tiny little municipality in an obscure little region of the mountainous south. What the Russians did back then was disgraceful.
Regrettably, since then, the conflict has become 'Islamised' and what was once a separatist movement started slowly becoming a terrorist movement. Wherever there is war you can expect the usual radical Muslim propagandists to hype up the religious violence, unfortunately. Nowadays it's the Chechen terrorists who are far more despicable, to the great shame and soiling of their region and their cause.
Anyway, back to topic....
The Boston bombing may have NOTHING to do with Chechnya. At this stage I'm not trusting the news outlets with anything, until documents or writings are found espousing their cause in their own words. You'd have expected IF it was that the brothers would have travelled over there and joined the rebel fight. Why target the U.S. and innocent people running a marathon over a completely unrelated conflict in a foreign shore?
It could turn out to be a different motive altogether, and given the innacurate news reporting ever since this whole attack took place, I'm going to hedge my bets.
I remember around 1994/1995 when the drive for independence started - just like many other places that had conflict at the time from the ex-Soviet Union (e.g. Lithuania and the Baltic states, Georgia nearby in the Caucasus, etc.)
The Russian crackdown on Chechnya was RUTHLESS - the region was devastated, the capital city Grozny was reduced to ruins and rubble, countless civilians died. It tells you all you need to know about Russia that a country of its huge size and power became afraid of a tiny little municipality in an obscure little region of the mountainous south. What the Russians did back then was disgraceful.
Regrettably, since then, the conflict has become 'Islamised' and what was once a separatist movement started slowly becoming a terrorist movement. Wherever there is war you can expect the usual radical Muslim propagandists to hype up the religious violence, unfortunately. Nowadays it's the Chechen terrorists who are far more despicable, to the great shame and soiling of their region and their cause.
Anyway, back to topic....
The Boston bombing may have NOTHING to do with Chechnya. At this stage I'm not trusting the news outlets with anything, until documents or writings are found espousing their cause in their own words. You'd have expected IF it was that the brothers would have travelled over there and joined the rebel fight. Why target the U.S. and innocent people running a marathon over a completely unrelated conflict in a foreign shore?
It could turn out to be a different motive altogether, and given the innacurate news reporting ever since this whole attack took place, I'm going to hedge my bets.
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Yeah.
Because no one born in the YEW ESS AYY has ever done anything like this before.
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No worries, we just seemed to be going far from bombing and MIT...
Yeah the city being shutdown will be the biggest story of this whole saga. This is the first time in history one or two men have shutdown an American city. The theory was if one tried and found success then others would follow. This is a unique situation and I agree with the shutdown but it will have repercussions.
On the timeline?? I understand it as the two were confronted in the carjacked Black Mercedes. A shootout ensued. The terrorist behind cars shooting back at police. The older brother then charged the police position and was obviously killed (charging into bullets is suicide and a shows his true cowardice nature leaving his brother to rot).
Then after the brother went down the younger brother reversed the Mercedes and drove at police and in the process drove over his dead (or thought dead) brother. In the process he was wounded because they have blood from him they think. He then evaded somehow and is now at large. The reason they are so meticulously searching those neighborhoods is because with the police roadblocks in place they doubt he escaped the area. SO they are going door to door in several neighborhoods and searching.
the lock down is to prevent mass gatherings of people while a potentially bomb vest laden psycho is wandering the streets.
ANyways that is what i understand
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The 19 year old is receiving help from someone or from a group. It's hard to believe a wounded young man has evaded the full force of the law this long without help. Or, he may be dead in a sewer or dumpster.
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I agree. either he has help and is gone OR he is dead in some fucking rat hole somewhere. I hope if it was the latter that it was excruciatingly painful.
That is funny.
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I think they just got him. Turn on the news now. There was a shootout.
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Nope. Looks like they just got him in custody and he is alive. Perhaps the kid in him came out after all, not wanting to end his entire life.
Best possible outcome to this whole affair. Great job to law enforcement and some very observant neighbors.
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Now it is time for the tangled web of the USA legal system to engage in the very grey area of prosecuting terrorists.
19 years old and threw his life away.
He won't have to worry about anything anymore. He gets a cot and 3 hots for the rest of his life.
MystikWizard
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Sounds like the older brother was the true radicalized one and went to a training camp several years ago ... only to come back a radical. Younger brother was enjoying America, but fell under the influence of the older brother. Being young, he simply went along for the ride.
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No Miranda Rights
"A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him."
"A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him."
Good......
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New York v. Quarles
We hold that on these facts there is a “public safety” exception to the requirement that Miranda warnings be given before a suspect’s answers may be admitted into evidence, and that the availability of that exception does not depend upon the motivation of the individual officers involved. In a kaleidoscopic situation such as the one confronting these officers, where spontaneity rather than adherence to a police manual is necessarily the order of the day, the application of the exception we recognize today should not be made to depend on post hoc findings at a suppression hearing concerning the subjective motivation of the police officer.
We hold that on these facts there is a “public safety” exception to the requirement that Miranda warnings be given before a suspect’s answers may be admitted into evidence, and that the availability of that exception does not depend upon the motivation of the individual officers involved. In a kaleidoscopic situation such as the one confronting these officers, where spontaneity rather than adherence to a police manual is necessarily the order of the day, the application of the exception we recognize today should not be made to depend on post hoc findings at a suppression hearing concerning the subjective motivation of the police officer.
Perhaps, but he will probably be prosecuted for murder. Maybe some "terrorist" icing on the cake, perhaps not. But still a tangled web like all US prosecutions.
