McCain on Georgy Stephanopoulus

[NickCole]

Wow, Nick. For you to, by inference, set yourself up as a promulgator of open dialogue is, well, surreal. For a looong time I tried really hard to take you seriously, but you've finally made that impossible.

(Save your time and don't bother to reply; we'll just agree in advance to ascribe this conclusion of mine to Obama's all-pervasive and evil influence on my way of thinking. I'm a zombie; I can't control myself.)

I have always invited open dialogue, never once said to anyone anything remotely like, "further dialogue really and truly is pointless" or "don't bother to reply."

But the truth does not appeal to you nearly as much as pretending something is true because it suits your bias.

 

[Shafted]

When it comes to Wright or Ayer, I don't see where McCain has room to come after Obama considering:

McCain "glad" to have radical preacher's support

Texas televangelist John Hagee has called the Roman Catholic Church "the Great Whore," the "apostate church," the "anti-Christ" and "a false cult system" that inspired Adolf Hitler to initiate the Holocaust. He also endorsed John McCain's presidential campaign after the Republican senator sought out his support.

The subject came up briefly on ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" Sunday.

There was this ...

Stephanopoulos: So was it a mistake to solicit and accept [Hagee's] endorsement?

McCain: Oh, probably, sure.

... followed a few seconds later by this.

Stephanopoulos: So you no longer want his endorsement?

McCain: I'm glad to have his endorsement.

Classic McCain. He thinks it was a mistake to accept Hagee's endorsement, but now that he has it, he's not giving it up.

Interestingly enough, the discussion on the program came shortly after McCain blasted Barack Obama for knowing Bill Ayers. Watching the interview, I got the sense that McCain missed the irony.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/04/21/hagee/index.html

 

[Spensed]

mccain v bush on the economy - mccain will cut spending - bush was a liberal spender - his greatest failure - nothing like bush - making the tax cuts continue is based on necessity - combining them with cuts makes sense

That's presumably why McCain voted against the tax cuts. LOL.

Bush too had a platform of small government. Peas in a pod. Has McCain indicated how, and by how much, he would reduce government spending?

Remind me again when and where McCain took action against Bush's big spending during the the last eight years.

mccain would have stewarded the war correctly - his call for more troops from the get go and calling for rumsfeld's head on a platter was certainly not like bush

Did he call for more troops originally? If he did, was that just lip service or what action did he take about it? None that I can remember.

As for Rumsfeld, was McCain criticizing Rumsfeld before Bush himself was gearing up to getting rid of him? If he did, making passing comments is hardly taking action.

McCain supported the surge and wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years, if he thinks it necessary. Anyone might well have done a better job than Bush, but, in terms of Iraq policy, McCain is a Bush clone.

mccain has fought with the RR his entire career - getting their support for the election is just smart politicking ...

Smart politicking doesn't make it right. McCain reassured Falwell that he supports the anti-gay marriage amendment if the states didn't stop gay marriage. With the kind of moral opportunism and anti-gay discrimination, I can see why he's your man.

as for ur anti gay ravings - u got nada - except that mccain supported roberts, who is a good man

McCain has a very low rating (33%) from the Human Rights Campaign which tracks pro and anti-gay voting records. Both Obama and Hillary have hight ratings (89%).

McCain has actively campaigned against gay marriage, as well as giving Falwall the assurance just mentioned.

McCain has opposed anti-gay discrimination legislation.

He's not only against open gays in the military, but speaks of them in the most demeaning terms.

And yes he will appoint more judges, who like Roberts and Alito, don't accept that sexual privacy is constitutionally protected. That means they would not have decriminatized gay sex in the Lawrence v. Texas case and will reverse that decision in a future case.

That was why both Roberts and Alito were opposed by almost every gay rights organization.

Look all I can do is keep taking the horse to the water, I can't make it drink. LOL.

 

[byro]

I have always invited open dialogue, never once said to anyone anything remotely like, "further dialogue really and truly is pointless" or "don't bother to reply."

Don't kid yourself, my dear Nick. You don't need to say the words; your arch superiority and thinly-veiled contempt close the door on dialogue with every post you make.

As to what I WAS saying (and to get back on-topic), Ico7 has it right. It seems to me that if the OP (who affectionately refers to McCain as "the Mav") believes that Roberts is a commendable Supreme Court justice and embraces another 4 years of Republican rule, I don't imagine there's much I could say to penetrate his worldview, nor is there much he could say to change mine. Others may be more eloquent or persuasive than I. I'm certainly not telling him to shut up; I'm saying, "I don't have a clue how to address your post."

And btw, the fact that you enter a thread which extols the virtues of OUR Republican opponent with an attack not on McCain but on Obama supporters suggests to me (as "a student of human nature") that your wild-eyed grief and/or rage at Hillary's probable loss has rendered you incapable of seeing the forest for the trees.

 

[NickCole]

And btw, the fact that you enter a thread which extols the virtues of OUR Republican opponent with an attack not on McCain but on Obama supporters suggests to me (as "a student of human nature") that your wild-eyed grief and/or rage at Hillary's probable loss has rendered you incapable of seeing the forest for the trees.

Right now we're in the middle of the Democratic Primary and, being a Democrat, I'm focused on choosing the best Democratic nominee.

 

[chance1]

It's not enough to say, "McCain isn't as bad as Bush." A vote for McCain is a vote for the Republican party. Republicans controlled every branch of our government for six of the past seven years. See JohanLarson's post, http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211902 for what that has brought us. If you can still vote Republican after seeing that litany of horrors -- a litany that can't be explained away or blamed on others or outside forces (no, not even 9/11 and Katrina) -- then further dialogue really and truly is pointless.

yeah

good point

NOT

"further dialogue really and truly is pointless"

with u i guess it is

as for mccain - consider this

if he were to win - he would likely have a dem controlled senate and house - as his "partners"

he has consistently reached across the aisle, unlike any republican

so i think it is a good fit

 

[chance1]

McCain is anti Bush? Really? Last I recall, Bush endorsed McCain. Has McCain rejected and denounced Bush?

yikes

an errant post based on an errant premise

mccain is the lesser of evils for bush

former rival who has more similar beliefs than either obama/hillary

bush in his heart knows that mccain would have been the better man in 2000

not really - but it's a nice thought

but back to ur premise re: mccain denouncing bush

he has criticized him as much as any republican

orig tax cuts + war strategy for starters

 

[chance1]

Don't kid yourself, my dear Nick. You don't need to say the words; your arch superiority and thinly-veiled contempt close the door on dialogue with every post you make.

As to what I WAS saying (and to get back on-topic), Ico7 has it right. It seems to me that if the OP (who affectionately refers to McCain as "the Mav") believes that Roberts is a commendable Supreme Court justice and embraces another 4 years of Republican rule, I don't imagine there's much I could say to penetrate his worldview, nor is there much he could say to change mine. Others may be more eloquent or persuasive than I. I'm certainly not telling him to shut up; I'm saying, "I don't have a clue how to address your post."

And btw, the fact that you enter a thread which extols the virtues of OUR Republican opponent with an attack not on McCain but on Obama supporters suggests to me (as "a student of human nature") that your wild-eyed grief and/or rage at Hillary's probable loss has rendered you incapable of seeing the forest for the trees.

me is the OP

and i like the term "mav"

top gun
dallas mavs

it's good

thanks for not telling me to shut up - cuz so many do - so i appreciate ur not saying that

but i do think ur original post was not so hot - not up to ur normal standards which r pretty high

but i know now that u didn't really mean it as it seemed

so ..........

keep on keepin on byro

 

[swerve]

Well...

I doubt anyone is even READING this thread anymore...

BUT...

I thought I'd add my 2 cents...

I saw the show yesterday and actually thought that McCain did a GREAT JOB!!!

Does that mean I BELIEVE HIM??? NO...

I LIKED how he said he would CUT SPENDING vs. Raise taxes -- BUT; HELL, he's been in CONGRESS for HOW MANY YEARS??? and he's SPENT, SPENT, SPENT...

I DON'T LIKE how Obama would RAISE taxes -- and I'm not SURE (like I am with McCain) that he could actually RUN the country...

BUT...

AT LEAST he would end the war in IRAQ and FOCUS the governments attention on OUR OWN COUNTRY...

I don't know...

I guess I'm undecided...



I WILL GIVE McCain CREDIT though for a GREAT SHOW!!!



I don't trust EITHER of them however...

 

[chance1]

Well...

I doubt anyone is even READING this thread anymore...

BUT...

I thought I'd add my 2 cents...

I saw the show yesterday and actually thought that McCain did a GREAT JOB!!!

Does that mean I BELIEVE HIM??? NO...

I LIKED how he said he would CUT SPENDING vs. Raise taxes -- BUT; HELL, he's been in CONGRESS for HOW MANY YEARS??? and he's SPENT, SPENT, SPENT...

I DON'T LIKE how Obama would RAISE taxes -- and I'm not SURE (like I am with McCain) that he could actually RUN the country...

BUT...

AT LEAST he would end the war in IRAQ and FOCUS the governments attention on OUR OWN COUNTRY...

I don't know...

I guess I'm undecided...



I WILL GIVE McCain CREDIT though for a GREAT SHOW!!!



I don't trust EITHER of them however...

no one reads any threads about a republican

dems the rules ............ haha

as for mccain - love him - str8 shooter - that's his deal

goes to iowa and pisses off the farmers

goes to mich and pisses of the auto workers

calls it like he sees it

and he was gooooooood with georgy - george is kinda cute too - nice hair

and gentry .............

u got ............

TRUST

ISSUES



nite bro

 

[texpatriot]

Saw it.

Couldn't help but think that McCain wouldn't be talking out of both sides of his ass if he had someone, or something to run against, or for.

Nothing that I haven't heard before, except more bullshit from a career politician who only did what was of political expediency to set himself away from the crowd.

Let's see how the "maverick" holds up when there's someone opposite him to call him on his shit!

That is, if there's anything left of the Democratic Party while Obama and Clinton continue to put the fun in the dysFUNctional in our body politic.

Oh, and George Steph? I'd fuck him!

 

[Supernature]

yikes

an errant post based on an errant premise

mccain is the lesser of evils for bush

former rival who has more similar beliefs than either obama/hillary

bush in his heart knows that mccain would have been the better man in 2000

not really - but it's a nice thought

but back to ur premise re: mccain denouncing bush

he has criticized him as much as any republican

orig tax cuts + war strategy for starters

Oh. Right. The same McCain who recently asserted that the US economy made great progress under Bush? The one who is just chuffed to have our forces remain in Iraq indefinitely? I think he's going to have to work a little harder than that to distinguish himself from Bush.

And Bush's endorsement of McCain is no more an "errant premise" than the insipid notion that Obama and Ayers have some sinister association.

 

[big_guy]

And btw, the fact that you enter a thread which extols the virtues of OUR Republican opponent with an attack not on McCain but on Obama supporters suggests to me (as "a student of human nature") that your wild-eyed grief and/or rage at Hillary's probable loss has rendered you incapable of seeing the forest for the trees.[/quote]
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Can we take from these commetns that if Hillary wins nomination, you would vote for her? Hmmm?

 

[byro]

Can we take from these commetns that if Hillary wins nomination, you would vote for her? Hmmm?[/quote]

Yes, of course I would vote for her. She drives me up a wall (rarely used to before this campaign), but I'm a diehard Democrat and will move heaven and earth to defeat McCain. Does that mean I'm a hypocrite if I say critical things about her? No, it just means I'm a Democrat. We're the party that doesn't walk in lockstep.

 

[Spensed]

Quote:
Originally Posted by chance1
mccain v bush on the economy - mccain will cut spending - bush was a liberal spender - his greatest failure - nothing like bush - making the tax cuts continue is based on necessity - combining them with cuts makes sense

That's presumably why McCain voted against the tax cuts. LOL.

Bush too had a platform of small government. Peas in a pod. Has McCain indicated how, and by how much, he would reduce government spending?

Remind me again when and where McCain took action against Bush's big spending during the the last eight years.


Quote:
Originally Posted by chance1
mccain would have stewarded the war correctly - his call for more troops from the get go and calling for rumsfeld's head on a platter was certainly not like bush

Did he call for more troops originally? If he did, was that just lip service or what action did he take about it? None that I can remember.

As for Rumsfeld, was McCain criticizing Rumsfeld before Bush himself was gearing up to getting rid of him? If he did, making passing comments is hardly taking action.

McCain supported the surge and wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years, if he thinks it necessary. Anyone might well have done a better job than Bush, but, in terms of Iraq policy, McCain is a Bush clone.


Quote:
Originally Posted by chance1
mccain has fought with the RR his entire career - getting their support for the election is just smart politicking ...

Smart politicking doesn't make it right. McCain reassured Falwell that he supports the anti-gay marriage amendment if the states didn't stop gay marriage. With the kind of moral opportunism and anti-gay discrimination, I can see why he's your man.


Quote:
Originally Posted by chance1
as for ur anti gay ravings - u got nada - except that mccain supported roberts, who is a good man

McCain has a very low rating (33%) from the Human Rights Campaign which tracks pro and anti-gay voting records. Both Obama and Hillary have hight ratings (89%).

McCain has actively campaigned against gay marriage, as well as giving Falwall the assurance just mentioned.

McCain has opposed anti-gay discrimination legislation.

He's not only against open gays in the military, but speaks of them in the most demeaning terms.

And yes he will appoint more judges, who like Roberts and Alito, don't accept that sexual privacy is constitutionally protected. That means they would not have decriminatized gay sex in the Lawrence v. Texas case and will reverse that decision in a future case.

That was why both Roberts and Alito were opposed by almost every gay rights organization.

Look all I can do is keep taking the horse to the water, I can't make it drink. LOL.

As usual, never any reply on substance except crickets chirping....

 

[chance1]

As usual, never any reply on substance except crickets chirping....

keep the insults coming .........

i pay no never mind

ur cred is nil

and dropping

as for texpatriot - man did u get up on the wrong side of the bed

and i think "mav" will do just fine in a debate with either of the dems - cuz he's real - and the both of them try just a little harder than he to please people

and to byro - mccain vs. hillary - right now id go mccain - i think all 3 would do a good job - but that right now mccain/hillary are more equipped to handle real problems - neither is as good an orator - but ........

and to big guy - no idea what ur talking about

mccain is looking pretty solid - which is a fucking miracle given the gloom/doom that gets reported every day by all forms of media - cuz life is so fuckin bad isn't it?

gotta go for a run

cya later